ninasdogwalk wrote:

Apparently after the incident the owner took off and refused to give him any information about themselves. It's horrendous that this happened yet again and who knows how many other times. This is disgraceful. I did see in this thread that this should hopefully be coming to a resolution as of yesterday...

jerseymom wrote:
Cops: Man attacked by unleashed dogs in Downtown Jersey City

by Michaelangelo Conte/The Jersey Journal
Monday January 19, 2009, 6:14 PM

A Jersey City man was attacked by two mastiffs in the city's Downtown neighborhood this morning, and the owner of the dogs was issued two summonses for failing to keep them on leashes, officials said.

Susan Clob, 58, of Dudley Street, was issued the summonses after the 7 a.m. attack at Christopher Columbus Drive and Washington Street, police said.

The 24-year-old victim, a resident of Brunswick Street, was taken to the Jersey City Medical Center in stable condition and appears to have suffered injuries to his arm, officials said.

When police responded they saw the dog owner leading the mastiffs into a nearby building and a witness flagged down the cops and pointed out the victim who had run into a nearby lobby, reports said.

The victim said Clob unleashed the large male and smaller female dogs, which then ran across the street, police said. The male bit his arm, then the female bit him as well.

Clob tried to pulled them off the victim but they were both dragged to the ground, police said.

A witness tried to scare the dogs off by driving his car toward them but that did not work, police said.

Construction workers at a nearby project approached the dogs and banged their helmets on the ground to scare them as the larger one was going for the victim's neck, police said.

The dogs let up enough for the victim to run to the safety of a nearby building with the larger dog on his heels, police said.

Clob was issued the summonses but the dogs were not taken away, officials said.

Greenvillechick wrote:
My dog is a black lab chow/chow mix. Chows are known to be sweet to their immediate family and a terror otherwise... when I got this little ball of fluff my mom (a vet) insisted she was going to be a nasty dog... I told her she was crazy.

Lo and behold... I socialized her from 3 months on... dog parks, people etc... and slowly but surely she became the terror that she is today. Very head strong and territorial. I do believe it is her chow trait in her that took her over, I have tried everything with this girl, I never ever trained her to be nasty and she went that way.

Elvis wrote:Concerns about ?dangerous? dogs have caused many local governments to consider supplementing existing animal control laws with ordinances directed toward control of specific breeds or types of dogs. Members of the Task Force believe such ordinances are inappropriate and ineffective. It helps if you actually READ your links.

philasurfer wrote:



I would propose dog owners parents must get licensing, similar to a obtaining a car license. It would involve (1) basic dog kid owning knowledge test, (2) evidence of insurance so that, if your dog bites kid attacks someone, the victim can sue the shit out you and (3) maybe some other requirements that would be useful. People keep saying dogs have to be licensed now and I know that, but as these dog lovers parents love to say, it is not the dogs its the owners my kid. So owners parents should need a license, as well as the dogs kids. Also large fees should be charged for these licenses so that more money can be put into doggy law curfew enforcement.

As for urban areas, dog owning child bearing should be much more restrictive. In the suburbs or rural areas you can make a better argument for dog child freedom, but not in a city. I would require a mandatory license to evidence that every single dog child you own in a city has gone through some form of obedience training. A dog child seen off a leash causing problems should be immediately confiscated and sent to live with a family on a farm. I would also only allow dogs children in certain areas of the city, not on every street of the city. Some areas would be off limits to dogs children.

Thats what I can say Just off the top of my head...but any rules would best come out of a dialogue between dog owners parents and people like myself.

mwa7368 wrote:
Classic arguments that the courts have already thought of....bottom line? WALKING YOUR DOG OFF THE LEASH IS ILLEGAL! As such, anyone who criticizes criminals and walks their dog without a leash is a hypocrite. If you want to let your dog off the leash, move away from the city. God help you

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Jaah37 Wrote: Some dogs may be inherently dominant and/ or aggressive but it is not BREED dependent.


I'll be the first to admit that I know nothing about dog breeding, but this doesn't make logical sense to me.

If a dog is bred, for example, to be a guard dog, like a German Shepherd, won't that dog breed be more aggressive than one bred to, say, be a lap dog?

fat-ass-bike wrote:
From my understanding, the majority of dogs (prue and muts) are breed for financial gain on puppy farms or dog farms - breed them, then get rid of them after 'x' amount of weeks from birth.
Most people want pups, so there wouldn't be too much time to work on their temperament.

Jaah37 Wrote: Some dogs may be inherently dominant and/ or aggressive but it is not BREED dependent.

itsaurora wrote:
jaah, don't under estimate the role genetics play in a dog's temperament. while many dogs are simply the products of their environment, there are dogs that are born with aggressive temperaments.

GrovePath wrote:
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jaah37 wrote:

No...it's clearly the owner. In some cases the DOG may have a medical problem that influences behavior, but the owner is the problem almost all of the time.

No it isn't clear! It is foolish to argue whether it is the "owner" or the "breed" - in cases like these it is clearly BOTH!

jaah37 wrote:

No...it's clearly the owner. In some cases the DOG may have a medical problem that influences behavior, but the owner is the problem almost all of the time.

jaah37 wrote:
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whocarez wrote:
What the heck is a person owning 2 huge dogs in JC anyway. Does she need them for protection, or own a chop shop or a garage or something. Why have vicious dogs in a confined apartment????? Animals are not like a disney movie. They need space and when the owners think, "well im a good person i can take care of them", then the animals flip because they have morans not training them and giving these large creatures space to roam. Im an animal lover and I know my Lab can turn and I give her a huge backyard. Morans, they have to get those dogs out of there and 3x's your our. By law the dogs have to be put down. they should have been put down the first time.

Giving your Lab a huge backyard so your dog doesn't "turn" is not enough to ensure a happy, healthy and well behaved dog.

In Nature: Dogs experience the world by walking. They have to earn food and water by migrating in search of it.

At Home: You can recreate this experience at home by taking your dog on a walk before providing food and water in the morning. It gives your dog three things vital to her happiness: 1) a chance to bond with you, the pack leader, 2) much-needed primal exercise, and 3) a "migration ritual" that offers a sense of purpose.

Dogs need new sights, sounds and smells.

jaah37 wrote:
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whocarez wrote:
What the heck is a person owning 2 huge dogs in JC anyway. Does she need them for protection, or own a chop shop or a garage or something. Why have vicious dogs in a confined apartment????? Animals are not like a disney movie. They need space and when the owners think, "well im a good person i can take care of them", then the animals flip because they have morans not training them and giving these large creatures space to roam. Im an animal lover and I know my Lab can turn and I give her a huge backyard. Morans, they have to get those dogs out of there and 3x's your our. By law the dogs have to be put down. they should have been put down the first time.

Giving your Lab a huge backyard so your dog doesn't "turn" is not enough to ensure a happy, healthy and well behaved dog.

In Nature: Dogs experience the world by walking. They have to earn food and water by migrating in search of it.

At Home: You can recreate this experience at home by taking your dog on a walk before providing food and water in the morning. It gives your dog three things vital to her happiness: 1) a chance to bond with you, the pack leader, 2) much-needed primal exercise, and 3) a "migration ritual" that offers a sense of purpose.

Dogs need new sights, sounds and smells.

whocarez wrote:
What the heck is a person owning 2 huge dogs in JC anyway. Does she need them for protection, or own a chop shop or a garage or something. Why have vicious dogs in a confined apartment????? Animals are not like a disney movie. They need space and when the owners think, "well im a good person i can take care of them", then the animals flip because they have morans not training them and giving these large creatures space to roam. Im an animal lover and I know my Lab can turn and I give her a huge backyard. Morans, they have to get those dogs out of there and 3x's your our. By law the dogs have to be put down. they should have been put down the first time.

whocarez wrote:
What the heck is a person owning 2 huge dogs in JC anyway. Does she need them for protection, or own a chop shop or a garage or something. Why have vicious dogs in a confined apartment????? Animals are not like a disney movie. They need space and when the owners think, "well im a good person i can take care of them", then the animals flip because they have morans not training them and giving these large creatures space to roam. Im an animal lover and I know my Lab can turn and I give her a huge backyard. Morans, they have to get those dogs out of there and 3x's your our. By law the dogs have to be put down. they should have been put down the first time.