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Wow its really wild down there.The top 4 floors are burning out of control.If the wood frame is supporting just poured concrete than that whole structure could Pancake.Very scary....
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yeah it seems to be under better control now... there are so many spectators!!!
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If you have cable put on channel 12 news.
There is a lot of fire.
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I hope no one gets hurt.
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We just came back from staring at it - scared the **** out of me when I first saw it.
There couldn't have been anyone in there, right?
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Just watching the news, they are worried about the crane.
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stndpipe and stairwell stopped at floor 15 - fire on18
falling debris and evacution of area crane fotings at risk no reported injuries (yet) say a prayer
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Major fire on Jersey City waterfront
by The Jersey Journal Monday October 08, 2007, 10:29 PM A major fire is lighting up the skies in Downtown Jersey City as the top floor of a building under construction at 77 Hudson St. burns. The Jersey Journal's Michaelangelo Conte and photographer Reena Rose Sibayan are at the Greene and Sussex streets scene and will send in updates. The project is the K. Hovnanian luxury condominiums that was in the news just weeks ago when it was learned that a record $6 million had been paid for a two-decker penthouse. Channel 5 News is reporting that the Jersey City Fire Department has pulled all its people out of the building because the standpipe only goes up to the 15th floor and the fire is above that, on the 16th, 17th and 18th floors. Falling debris, they said, also made it too dangerous for firefighters to be inside, so the 80 to 100 firefighters on the scene are fighting it from the outside. The fire can be seen from Manhattan. PHOTOS from NJO.COM
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Somebody is going to get their ass in a sling.DCA rules are you build the standpipe as you go,one floor at a time,just for this reason.Building is made of concrete but you need all the wood to support the cement until it cures.
Builder will be fined for sure.
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it's called lazy union-protected contractors who would rather be drinking beer at 95-greene and york st bar at NOON instead of making sure their work is finished.
apparently the recent events at the DB building in manhattan did not make enough of an impression on these people.
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I'm gonna play Devils Advocate-
"Wait! You mean there are other people building up Jersey City?! This high rise isn't the only one in town?! Whoa, wait a second. Donald "who" is bulding in JC? Maybe I should hedge my bets on this one. Call in the JCFD." Thoughts?
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its wood. who cares. let it burn. bring in new wood, start forming.
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My theory: Lazy employee dropped a cigarette on the ground b4 leaving and because of the hot weather, the whole place went on fire.
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I Hope they are able to find out the cause of the fire, so I can smack your bitchazz with the truth. 
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There should be major fines if there are supposed to be standpipes on each floor as it is built. Aren't city inspectors supposed to make sure that contractors follow rules?
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Oh my god! I hope this doesn't mean both the Jersey City Fire Inspector and Building Inspector's Office will be held accountable now? That would be tragic indeed.
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Aren't city inspectors supposed to make sure that contractors follow rules? You mean like when a developer builds a two-family house with a fire hydrant blocking its driveway?
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Some pics at my flickr thing.
Ran into the owners of K. Hovnanian over on Grand.. talk about Family.
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What started the fire and what is fuelling the fire? - there isn't that much combustibles up there (basically and empty shell) to spread and fuel such a large fire as pictured.
Looks like an insurance job to me - time will tell
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Thanks for the pics, that was some fire, I'm glad to know there was no injuries or loss of any homes. Thanks 1st responders and Red Cross volunteers!
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Can anyone tell me what the "frozen zone" is around the fire? Is Warren Street open? How is the traffic downtown this morning?
Thank you!
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JCSoxFan, you need to improve. Next fire, keep the camera on a steady supporting item.
The Red Cross came to save the wounded from an empty building. Apparently night life sucks so much in JC that people would enjoy even a fire. Were there any residential buildings evacuated? (Read that: rich people sleeping out.)
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most likely a mafia job... union dispute probably.
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That was my first thought too - Hovnanian has been reporting some financial troubles, and my guess is the problems are even worse than reported. But OTOH, how much of the building actually burned? What can they actually get from insurance for this? How will it affect their plans for the site? I guess we'll find out.
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Road closures around Jersey City high-rise fire. High-Rise Under Construction Burns in Jersey City; Frozen Zone Fox News: Tuesday, Oct. 09 MyFoxNY.com -- New Jersey officials recommend anyone who travels through the financial district of Jersey City avoid the area around York, Morris, Hudson and Washington Streets. Firefighters are battling a blaze at a construction site at 77 Hudson Street. York Street to Morris Street and Hudson Street to Washington Street are closed to vehicular and pedestrian traffic. Take mass transit including the Hudson-Bergen Light Rail if you need to be in the area. ----------------------------------------- Frozen Zone placed around Jersey City fire Flames broke out in the high-rise on 77 Hudson Street WABC Eyewitness News' Kemberly Richardson (Jersey City - WABC, October 9, 2007) - Jersey City police are imposing a frozen zone this morning around the scene of a high-rise fire that burned through the night. Eyewitness News reporter Kemberly Richardson is live in Jersey City. The frozen zone is still in place this morning because firefighters are still on the scene, putting water on the hotspots on the upper floors. Because it's pretty windy this morning, the flames are being fanned. It was a much different story last night as the fire broke out just before 9:00 p.m., between the 17th and 18th floors of the high-rise located at 77 Hudson Street. The building is under construction and played a major role in getting to the upper floors. Initially, crews tried to fight the flames from the inside but had to pull out, because those floors were not stable -- made up only of wet concrete and wooden two-by-fours. They boarded the top tow floors within the last two days, and it takes really 21 days for concrete to cure. So, in this time frame, it would not be safe to have firefighters in there unless the floor is set and solid...It was a decision the chief made and obviously, it was a rational decision to make....," Crews were forced to fight the fire from the outside. However, the ladder trucks can only go up to about 10 stories. And there's also been talk about the building's standpipe (its source of water). It is said to only go up to 14 floors, but officials say that's not a violation.
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Didn't Healy and Mr. Potato-head just open an Emergency Center to deal with 'EMERGENCIES'?
This fire shows that the emergency center is struggling to help coordinate or put out a fire and the JCFD most likely can't control an emergency above a certain height...Lets just spend money on emergency personnel and not invest in obviously required resources and appliances. We need to have 'mutual aid' agreements with other local governments to help with these emergencies - this is basic 101 volunteer firefighting info, I learnt as a teenager. I'd hate to think what might happen if there was a malfunction with a buildings sprinker system in an OCCUPIED building.
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Nearby Blocks Closed Over Fear Of Collapse Reporting Tamsen Fadal - CBS News Oct.09 JERSEY CITY (CBS) ― Firefighters are still battling wind that's stirring up hot pockets around a New Jersey high-rise. Intense flames shoot into the sky as firefighters worked for hours trying to get this four alarm blaze under control. Firefighters were forced several times to pull back and fight the fire from the ground floor. Several blocks around the building are closed off as officials continue to worry about the building collapsing. At least two floors collapsed before midnight inside the building as nearby residents watched the scene unfold, unable to return home. "It looks serious, very serious, I mean as long as no one's hurt that's okay," Andrea Leonardelli said. With the building's standpipe only activated up to the 14th floor, reaching some of the higher floors has become difficult. Sparks came raining down, debris hit the sidewalks, even propane tanks exploded from inside the building at 77 Hudson Street which is under construction, an apartment and condo high rise slated to be open in the summer of 2009. The fire began in an elevator well between the 17th and 18th floors. "It seems like it's all kind of pieces were coming down," Jeff Diones said. Up to 100 residents were not allowed back into their homes as firefighers worked to get the fire contained. The scene is sure to be a headache for the morning commute, although the Hudson-Bergen light rail, PATH and buses are running, commuters are asking to go to Liberty State Park or the bus at Montogomery Street to get in and out of the area for now. Most of the residents are with friends and family, some have been put up by Red Cross as they wait to find out when they will be allowed to return home. http://wcbstv.com/topstories/jersey.city.new.2.340970.html
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Who the ffccuk was the safety officer for the site?
Why was there propane tanks up there, and if they were needed, why weren't they stored on the floor that had 'standpipe' protection. The more you read the more I see red flags. Where was the site security officer?
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If it doesn't collapse, then is it now a tear down?
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Have you guys read the article from JJ:
Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said: "It's worrisome because we should have learned from our mistakes," referring to Liberty Towers, which is one block away on Morris Street. That building also was the scene of a top-floor fire while it was under construction. That 2002 fire was on the 29th floor and the standpipe only went up to the 23rd floor. http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/jerse ... 19191054636290.xml&coll=3
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It was a scary sight. Thank you to all the Fireman and other responders!
The school where we opened the shelter was like a little Noah's Ark, lots of kitties, puppies and a gerbil! Gina
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New reports indicate signs of arson. This will be interesting. And sad.
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I seem to recall this happened with the Gotham (Warren and Montgomery) when it was being built in the late 90's. Not on the same scale though.
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Top-floor blaze is being probed as 'suspicious' October 11, 2007 By MICHAELANGELO CONTE JERSEY JOURNAL Jersey City Fire Department arson investigators are calling Monday's raging high-rise fire suspicious. "We have a renowned arson investigation unit and if there was in fact any wrongdoing by anyone, they will find it," Fire Director Armando Roman said yesterday of the Downtown blaze. And while the investigation into the fire continues, it appears life is returning to normal around the scene of the fire. The roughly 60 families evacuated from their homes on Greene Street Monday night were allowed to return to their residences Tuesday evening, Roman said, and officials were hopeful that Greene and Grand streets near the fire would be reopened last night. The nearby offices of Merrill Lynch were able to reopen yesterday, Roman said. Jersey City Building Department officials have given construction crews permission to work extended hours at the site to clean up debris on the ground near the building and to deal with the fire damage in order to resume construction, Roman said. Firefighters responding to the four-alarm blaze at 8:40 p.m. Monday found the 17th and 18th floors engulfed in flames. The building is under construction and the cement forms on the top floors caught fire and burned brightly. The cause of the fire has not yet been determined but it is thought to have started on the top floor, Roman said. Firefighters attempted to fight the flames from inside the building, but high heat and other factors forced them to withdraw and battle the flames from the ground. The fire was under control by 1 a.m. Tuesday and firefighters left the scene 2:34 p.m. that day, officials said.
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Waterfront highrise an arson target? Thursday, October 18, 2007 By MICHAELANGELO CONTE JOURNAL STAFF WRITER The FBI is coming to Jersey City to join the investigation into last week's highrise fire that destroyed the top floors of a waterfront building under construction. Jersey City Fire Chief William Sinnott says he was informed yesterday that the federal investigators will be in town today to look into the Oct. 8 fire, which ripped through the 17th and 18th floors of the rsidential tower under construction at 70 Greene St. The chief said he had no further information to release on the investigation being conducted by the Fire Department's Arson Squad. Sinnott also said the department has reviewed its performance fighting the blaze and did find one area in need of improvement. When a first alarm sounds at a highrise, the department automatically sends double the normal contingent of firefighters and equipment, an amount equal to what is deployed to a two-alarm fire. "One problem was that since this wasn't an occupied building, the dispatch center didn't have much info on it, so we didn't know it was a high-rise," Sinnott said. Sinnott said the Fire Department's database does not reflect the fact that a highrise is under construction until a certificate of occupancy is issued late in the building process. When the alarm sounded the night of the blaze, firefighters responded with only a regular, one-alarm size contingent. The fire later grew to four alarms. Sinnott said firefighters will focus on noting highrises under construction as they make their regular tours through neighborhoods in order to keep the database up to date. Firefighters arriving at the blaze found the 17th and 18th floors engulfed in flames, which were visible for miles. The cause of the fire has not yet been determined, but it is thought to have started on the top floor, Fire Director Armando Roman said, adding that the fire has been ruled suspicious. Firefighters attempted to fight the flames from inside the building, but high heat and other factors forced them to withdraw and battle the blaze from the ground with high-pressure arcs of water. The two top floors were destroyed by the time the fire was under control, by 1 a.m. on Oct. 9, officials said. About 60 families in area homes were temporarily evacuated due to the fire. "All investigative resources necessary will be used as we work to find out if in fact there was a crime involved, if someone purposefully started the fire," Roman said.
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Can someone with insight into these matters explain why the feds would be called in? Why couldn't this be handled on a state or local law enforcement level? What type of involvement does this potentially indicate?
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Generally speaking, there's nothing unusual or peculiar about FBI involvement in major criminal investigations (as arson is); you just don't often hear about it often.
In the context of a post- 9/11 world, having multiple agencies (local, state and federal), with different jurisdictional reaches, looking into a possible arson of this magnitude along the JC waterfront is fairly routine. The Feds (not just the FBI) have also had an increased presence in the JC area post 9/11 because of the high concentration of financial industry firms located here -- again no surprise here. That being said the investigations are continuing at the local level, concurrently. The FBI's involvement means very little in of itself.
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Hovnanian has been struggling for a while now, no? I think they built pretty heavily in the areas being hit hardest by the real estate crash.
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You forgot to point out that the terrorist who bombed the WTC the first time lived here. This might be out of topic but did you guys know the mastermind of that plot converted to Christianity?
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another great post from Greenville. Any luck with that "a worker dropped a cigarette, and because the weather was warm the wood burned quicker" theory?
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--------------------------------------------------------- Car combusts - squirrel gets the blame Jersey Journal Friday, October 19, 2007 It's Rocky the Frying Squirrel! A kamikaze squirrel fell from the sky and detonated a Bayonne woman's car Wednesday, police said yesterday. Lindsey Millar, 23, and her brother, Tony, 22, were both home Wednesday at about 12:45 p.m. when they suddenly noticed Lindsey's car burning outside their 42nd Street home. Tony Millar said yesterday that firefighters told them it was the work of a buck-toothed saboteur that had been gnawing on power lines connected to a transformer above the 2006 Toyota Camry. "The squirrel chewed through the wire, was set on fire, fell down directly to where the car was," Tony Millar said. "The squirrel, on fire, slid into the engine compartment and blew up the car. "They're always coming around here chewing through the garbage," he added. Tony Millar says his sister's car was fully insured. "It's something to laugh about once she has a new car," he said. "It's not funny yet." Police said there were no injuries - except, that is, for the squirrel, which is dead. The Millars' home is decorated for Halloween, complete with a tiny plastic tombstone on their front lawn. Tony Millar said the family will consider dedicating the tombstone to the squirrel, who was not named. N. CLARK JUDD
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This Building must be cursed between the Fire and now the man falling to his death. This is Crazy.
Posted on: 2008/3/28 8:51
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77 Hudson: Construction worker plunged to his death - Adjoining tower had Oct. blaze |
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Adjoining tower had Oct. blaze
Friday, March 28, 2008 How a construction worker plunged to his death yesterday at 77 Hudson St. is not the first mystery surrounding the two-tower construction project in Downtown Jersey City. Officials are still investigating the cause of a four-alarm blaze on Oct. 8 that engulfed two stories of 70 Green St., which is connected to 77 Hudson by a parking garage. The flames kept firefighters on the scene for 18 hours and set off a spectacular blaze. Fire officials deemed the blaze "suspicious" and continue to investigate, said Jersey City Fire Director Armando Roman, who would not go into details for fear of jeopardizing the investigation. The blaze began when cement forms on the 17th and 18th floors caught fire. The flames were difficult to extinguish because the wood frames, forms and wide open floors allowed the blaze to spread far more quickly than in a completed high-rise, Roman said at the time. Roughly 60 families were evacuated from nearby homes for about 24 hours while there were concerns the building might collapse. AMY SARA CLARK ============================================= 'HE FELL, THAT'S ALL' OSHA opens 2nd probe of work at 77 Hudson Friday, March 28, 2008 By PAUL KOEPP JOURNAL STAFF WRITER A worker fell to his death early yesterday afternoon at a high-rise construction site on the Jersey City waterfront. The man fell from the 25th floor of 77 Hudson St. and landed on the roof of an attached parking garage about 14 stories below, according to police and workers at the scene. Jersey City spokesman Stan Eason said the cause of the fall had not been determined and the man's identity could not be released because his family had not been notified. It was not clear how the man was not caught by a safety net at the 23rd floor, leading some workers to speculate that he may have fallen from a floor below the 25th. "He just fell, that's all we know," said one worker as construction crews left after the site was shut down for the day. Workers at the scene said the man was a plasterer or taper and that he may have been on stilts to reach the ceiling of the floor he was working on. A spokeswoman for the Occupational Safety and Health Administration said yesterday's incident is under investigation. She said there is also an open investigation of Broadway Concrete Corp., stemming from an OSHA inspection at 77 Hudson in November. "It was a planned inspection with an emphasis on fall protection," said spokeswoman Leni Uddyback-Forstin. A spokesman for Broadway Concrete did not respond to requests for comment yesterday. Calls to the company overseeing the construction, Hunter Roberts Construction Group, and to the developer of 77 Hudson, K. Hovnanian Homes, were not returned. Construction at the building, which will hold luxury apartments and retail space, has reached the 46th of 48 planned floors. PAUL KOEPP can be reached at (201) 217-2400.
Posted on: 2008/3/28 9:05
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Nah, just a total disregard for OSHA standards.
The feds should just shut it down.
Posted on: 2008/3/28 9:50
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Is this a union job? I assuming a big, fat no, but I was curious just the same.
Posted on: 2008/3/28 10:07
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Yes, it is a union job. My company put in a bid to do the painting work. It is probably a blessing that we were not the lowest bidder.
Posted on: 2008/3/28 10:45
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Yes, it is a union job. My company put in a bid to do the painting work. It is probably a blessing that we were not the lowest bidder. Maybe if they took the highest bidder instead of now being bitter none of this would have happened.
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