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by adopting the budget 9 months into the year, didn't the council permit the unplanned spending by departments? if adopted timely, spending would have been monitored to budget, no?

clearly, the budgets of the past are now the new normal and council locked the city out of recurring insurance cost savings.

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yes, the council has been "sitting" on the budget for more 6+ months. its too late for them to affect anything. they abdicated their responsibility to the administration. some of the reasons like waiting for the disposition of the parking authority were weak, because even if disbanded the impact on the 2014 budget is limited. any changes, after introduced, if approved could be amended.

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Tomorrow, the city council plans on adopting the Calendar 2014 Municipal Budget, there is 3 months left in this budget so how do you cut or amend it?

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There is a difference between submitted and adopted. When the asked the Business Administrator what the tax rate would be several months ago, he had no answer.

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The proposed budget was submitted several months ago. You know that too.

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Tomorrow, the city council plans on adopting the Calendar 2014 Municipal Budget, there is 3 months left in this budget so how do you cut or amend it?

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There are too many contracts given out in various departments.

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When I see that the state of NJ taxpayers underwrite JC schools to almost exactly as much money as the ENTIRE JC city budget I'm astounded anyone would complain about their JC taxes, frankly.

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its a great headline .... but it really looks as if the Healy budgets are the now the new normal


So if you were mayor, what would you cut?

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Jersey City to host budget hearings

By The Jersey Journal
on March 31, 2014 at 2:45 PM .

Jersey City officials will meet with the City Council this weekend to discuss the proposed $501 million 2014 budget.

Municipal court officials will present their budget tomorrow at 10 a.m., followed by the Department of Public Works at 6 p.m.

On Wednesday, officials with the Jersey City Incinerator Authority, an autonomous agency, will meet with the council at 2 p.m.

It?s Mayor Steve Fulop?s turn on Friday at 2 p.m. to discuss his office?s budget, while the city?s law department is at bat on Friday at 3 p.m.

The meetings are all scheduled for the council caucus room, on the second floor of City Hall, 280 Grove St.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... earings.html#incart_river

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its a great headline .... but it really looks as if the Healy budgets are the now the new normal

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Doesn't the increase in rateables work out to about a 2% increase to the City? So we're effectively getting that passed back to us.

No other cost savings? For example, wasn't a substantial part of the 8% increase last year designed to plug one-off budget holes created by the Healy team exodus? The City pocketing that increase going forward?

Like a lot of people, I expected a bigger cut.

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Didn't he increase taxes by 8% when he took office?

Nope.

Healy stuck him with a 7.6% tax increase, that took effect about a week after Fulop took office. The city had already started spending per Healy's budget, so Fulop couldn't change it.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... _tax_hike_on_the_way.html

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If the reval was to happen tomorrow the city would be approximately $18 billion and the tax rate would fall dramatically.


What a meaningless observation. Yes, the "rate" will fall, but only because the assessments will be at market and no longer be adjusted down via a multiplier of roughly ~.32. So if someone's assessment is currently accurate, after a reval their "rate" will be 1/3 of what it is today, but they will pay the exact same amount of tax, the same percentage of their home's value.

The rest is as meaningless. If you wish to dispute what someone has written, quote what you think they said that is false. I have no idea what your point was.

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It is apparent that some people here have a political agenda on abatements because they are trying to correct me on a statement that Fulop made at the caucus, but they weren?t there. Even I checked with the Hudson County tax board and spoke to Don Kenny. He was kind to give me the 2014 ratable base because they are not published until August. Last year, JC increased its ratable less than $7 million but this year the ratable base went up $118,205,266. That figure comes from the Hudson county board of taxation. Fulop said he is not renewing any of the expired abatements. The new ratable base is now $5,932,776,544. As high as it is now, Jersey City was higher in 1988 when reval happened. It was between $6 to $7 billion. Before the reval, the city was $800 million. If the reval was to happen tomorrow the city would be approximately $18 billion and the tax rate would fall dramatically. I am thankful that Don Kenny is in charge of striking the tax rate and he doesn?t get advice from Brewster or Joshua.

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You just made the same mistake as the Journal. $118 million more ratables does not mean $118 million more in revenue. The question is: What was the property paying in PILOT before it became part of the ratable base?


You're dealing with a belief system here, not rational thought. Abatements/PILOTS=bad, ratables=good. All her budget arguments are based on the false idea that PILOTS don't add to the general fund.

Hey Yvonne, you want lower taxes? Guess what would lower taxes for at least 2/3 of JC property owners...A REVAL!

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You just made the same mistake as the Journal. $118 million more ratables does not mean $118 million more in revenue. The question is: What was the property paying in PILOT before it became part of the ratable base?

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I was in the caucus room and I didn't see you there. Luckily the cameras were working so I suggest you look at the footage and that doesn't satisfy you then call Don Kenny of the Hudson County tax Board. The info Fulop gave is what the county has. Abatements expired and the city is $118 million richer in terms of ratable. That means a tax decrease for regular folks.

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Again, that assumes the ratable base expansion is adding revenue that was not there before. In the case of the abatements, the new ratable base is replacing PILOTs which in some cases were paying the city the same or more than the city would receive in property tax.


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The Jersey Journal did not write a correct article. I attended the caucus, Fulop said the ratable base increase because he is not extending old abatements. I called the tax assessor of Hudson County and check the ratable base. The city did increase $118 million. The article implies that we have an extra $118 million dollars which is incorrect. For the record the new ratable $5,932,776,544, last year is was $5,814,571,278. The ratable base increased $118 million. It had nothing to do with the mayor, by not extending expired abatements the ratable base increase. And when that happens, taxes are lower for everyone. This is the reason I am against tax abatements, it lowers the ratable base.


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When someone's future ambitions are more important than the current job, you'll see nothing but superficial changes....

Booker was obviously a careerist, and still managed to improve Newark. E.g. he presided over a notable drop in crime; he worked on cleaning up their watershed corruption issues; he secured a huge private donation for Newark's schools; he drew development to downtown. I'm also guessing (though I'm not sure) that he got rid of a bunch of Sharpe James' cronies, who certainly tried to thwart his agenda.

We also have to keep in mind that these are Mayors, not dictators. Their power is limited by design.


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Hence why I'd respect him if he did something, ANYthing to challenge the port authority in a feasible way.

And again....

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... d_unfair_tax_agreeme.html

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Is Fulop also sneaky like most politicians? I forgot about the 8% tax rise so I guess a modest tax cut is not all that unreasonable although I'd prefer better public funding for X,Y and Z

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Sorry, in the internet age, the library is not as much of a priority as it used to be. It's much easier to get info than it was pre-internet, so libraries aren't as valuable as they once were.


You're actually pointing out one of the most important things about libraries today: they provide internet access (and help using it) to people who don't have it at home. Libraries aren't just paper books!

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government should have its priorities in order....you can't just cut, cut, cut. the people of the great state of California eventually recognized this and for the record I do give generously to various charities


Sorry, in the internet age, the library is not as much of a priority as it used to be. It's much easier to get info than it was pre-internet, so libraries aren't as valuable as they once were.

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Didn't he increase taxes by 8% when he took office? So now we are slashing taxes by 2% from his 8% increase? Maybe we could get 2% decreases every year he'll be in office before we start being grateful.

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government should have its priorities in order....you can't just cut, cut, cut. the people of the great state of California eventually recognized this and for the record I do give generously to various charities

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Well this just saved me from typing my own lengthy post, thanks.

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Fascinating crowd here. Had taxes gone up of course the masses would have been out with pitchforks, but even when they go slightly down some sad miserable people have a reason to complain (which I guess is the M.O. of many posts here). While I ultimately do pity you folk, I think some people will always inherently find a reason to be negative and complain. In addition, I know many people have completely written off this Mayor because he did not blindly follow their pet issue.

Of course consolidating the city government, a broad expansion of after school and recreational programs, putting police officers back on the beat, investing in parks, an already successful prisoner reentry and employment program, etc... are all insignificant accomplishments and don't matter. Only "my" issue matters!

But- do not despair miserable ones! There will certainly be unsuitable and under prepared candidates to waste money on in 3 years time.

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instead of cutting ttaxes, maybe its better use the money to better fund the animal shelter or the libraries


feel free to donate extra to these causes in lieu of the tax cut


yeah...let's build more libraries with taxpayer money. Maybe with more libraries and extended hours, we'll finally solve the homeless problem in JC too

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instead of cutting ttaxes, maybe its better use the money to better fund the animal shelter or the libraries

But this is how they were able to cut taxes, by underfunding the animal shelter and libraries.

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