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Again, reducing train service from Hoboken to 33rd Street to favor JSQ train is not an option. The WTC to Hoboken line also shares track with the JSQ to 33rd Street route. Those rush hour trains are also crowded. Maybe if the ARC tunnel had been completed and more of the NJ Transit trains terminating in Hoboken were routed directly to Manhattan, there would be less demand. But as it stands now, Bergen, Passaic, Morris, and half of Essex commuter rail terminate in Hoboken with passengers passing directly to the PATH.
Posted on: 2012/10/3 1:01
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agree 100% about doing a study of ridership and sending a greater number and percentage of trains through JC than Hob.
also wish they'd use some of our extra funds to make more stations elevator accessible for the disabled and those with children, rather than on legal fees fighting the Fed mandate to do so.
Posted on: 2012/10/2 23:02
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As a "two fare" type (I take the 87 bus from JSQ or Hoboken home to the Heights) I'm reluctant to criticize PATH, it being the most reliable part of my commute. For my rant about taking the bus in JC, see my other post - it feels like I can touch the new WTC tower from my neighborhood, yet it invariably takes an hour to commute into lower Manhattan, mainly because the buses are late, stuck in traffic due to never-ending street repairs, etc. That said, we need to try to take things back, people. The MTA is so inept, so completely beholden to - who? Manhattan real-estate interests? Do we need an Occupy PATH or agitprop campaign? Thoughts?
Posted on: 2012/10/2 12:54
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Go to the priority seats and ask the people to get up. The day before I delivered my first baby I had to stand from Grove to 33rd because no one offered a seat. With my second I became much more bold and stared people down or asked for a seat. Once I actually heard a guy tell the person next to him that he has no sympathy for pregnant or injured people on the train at night because they should be home in bed.
Posted on: 2012/10/1 16:57
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The WTC is over budget by $300 million. I don't think any improvements were ever promised to us. Maybe something about security, I don't know. Basically they're just screwing NJ residents to pay for their piss-poor management of the WTC. That $300 million might not be exactly right btw, I don't have the budget available now, but I remember the numbers being the same.
Posted on: 2012/10/1 16:38
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Yea it does. Upload a pic anywhere and add it under standard code. Or just use the button thats above the box where you enter text in. It's directly above the underline button, left of where it says "manager" with a little orange icon.
Posted on: 2012/10/1 14:58
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So I tore my achilles tendon (on the stairs of the Chamber St. subway) last week, and am now wearing a relatively obviously boot, and using a much more obvious cane, as I walk.
True to form and exactly as expected, when I got on the train this morning (JSQ to WTC), nobody got up to offer me a seat. The ride is relatively short so not the worst, but what makes it super unpleasant is the engineers' tendencies to ride the brake the whole way - forcing me to put weight on my bad leg, over and over. I don't post this looking for sympathy in the slightest, but rather, as an observation. It's just too bad that this forum doesn't allow us to post pics, or I'd take, and attach, one of the people that continue to sit, from now until I get this fixed, every day I end up having to stand (which I fully expect to be every time). 
Posted on: 2012/10/1 14:16
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Imagine 10,000 new residents added in the suburbs, then driving through the downtown and getting on the PATH.
Posted on: 2012/9/30 13:08
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I would imagine that some of the traffic from those living along the waterfront, would shift to NY Waterway. Especially if PATH fares continue to rise. Anyone know exactly how much of the PATH system cost is covered by the fare? Years back (when the fare was still $1), the figure used was is cost $3 per passenger.
Posted on: 2012/9/30 6:08
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Most definitely. 7-8 PM seems to be the worst time to take PATH out of 33rd Street. More of a sardine situation than during "peak." And unfortunately that's the hour I'm usually leaving work myself. Some nights I take the Hoboken train and walk home just to avoid the discomfort/frustration of a crowded JSQ train. After a long day at work, I'd just rather not deal with the pushing/shoving/balancing/smells/negative energy.
Posted on: 2012/9/30 1:38
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Think of how wonderful it's going to be when they add 7,000 or 8,000 or maybe 10,000 new residents to the Paulus Hook neighborhood.
Posted on: 2012/9/29 14:25
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Perhaps with the rate increase (which has not been justified to my knowledge) will increase what constitutes a "peak hour". I'd also like to see improved custodial services as it is always messy and no one seems to care.
Posted on: 2012/9/29 14:16
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I don't think you are taking into account that the every signal block on the system is full at rush hour. You can't just add a train to to the 33rd Street line because there is also a NWK-WTC train that shares the route and a WTC-Hoboken train that shares that route, and those trains are definitely full. The Port Authority really does need to address what constitutes "rush hour" given the volume of passengers after they have decided rush hour should be over.
Posted on: 2012/9/29 13:47
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How is the rate increase justified? I don't see any mention of what will be the improvement in services (if any). Happy to pay more to see tangible benefits but it is ridiculous to raise prices without any explanation.
Posted on: 2012/9/29 12:28
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Back then, NYC / Manhattan was a major manufacturing center making everything from clothing, meat packing, to machine tools. Manufacturers typically ran three shifts, so you had a steady flow of people back and forth all day and all night. Today, pretty everyone goes to work at the same time. The H&M train (pre-PATH) started into decline once the Holland tunnel was opened (in 1927).
Posted on: 2012/9/28 19:02
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You're absolutely right. Regardless of signal issues or platform-length issues, there could be and should be trains every 4 or 5 minutes to Jersey City for more of the day. In the morning, inbound trains to 33 St. go to 10 minute service at 9:30 a.m., but the trains are packed until 10:30. In the evening, outbound trains from 33 St. go to 10 minute service at 7 p.m. but are totally packed all through the evening. And every train is packed all through the weekend. The answer is to continue the frequent service, every 4-5 minutes, for longer portions of the day. Another amazing fact: Current ridership is estimated at 78 million this year. On the PATH website history page, it says the peak ridership was 113 million in 1927. There is no possibility that those trains were 45% more full than they are now. There must have been frequent service all day long. It would be interesting to see historic PATH timetables.
Posted on: 2012/9/28 18:26
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full capacity for Jersey City. when I go home, the Hoboken-bound train pulls into Christopher St. at the peak of rush hour with empty seats. then the JSQ train follows and it is crammed, cheek-to-jowl. how hard is it for the PA to do a study, and adjust the number of trains accordingly? there should really be three JSQ-33rd Street trains for every two HOB-33rd. this isn't a signal or platform-length issue. it's a question of resource-management and traffic control.
Posted on: 2012/9/27 13:56
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One can only hope... I was in France recently and rode the Metro a lot. Their cars had flip up seats located near the doors. If the train got too crowded, people in those seats would in order to create more room. I wonder if the Path riders would do the same...
Posted on: 2012/9/27 13:46
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Are you looking to see if more money equates less people ? Hoping that rising costs will scare people into taking other modes of transportation ?
Posted on: 2012/9/27 13:40
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today's commute was totally a shitshow. uber packed cars at 8:20. it will take years for station extensions to be completed. my only solution now is to get up earlier and commute at an earlier time.
Posted on: 2012/9/27 13:06
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I don't think service will get better since they are at full capacity for number of trains and train size they can run in and of of the current stations. I suspect most of the increase will go to financing continued development of the WTC area.
Posted on: 2012/9/27 12:31
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Has there been a study with increased fares and ridership levels?
Posted on: 2012/9/27 12:23
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It won't work, you can't change the size of the train without enlarging the platforms and stations. Also the speed of the trains is based on the size and timing of the trains. You can only do so much with 60 minutes to an hour.
Posted on: 2012/9/27 12:07
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I agree, raise fare and provide better service.
Posted on: 2012/9/27 11:52
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please raise them more if it will make the path better. Rush hour this morning was outrageous.
Posted on: 2012/9/27 11:47
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http://www.panynj.gov/path/fares-new.html Effective 3:00 am Monday morning single ride PATH fares rise 25 cents to $2.25.
Posted on: 2012/9/27 10:12
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Oh, don't worry, the MTA won't be outdone. Single ride fares going to $2.50 on the subway. http://gothamist.com/2012/09/17/mta_2 ... ides_no_bonuses_109_m.php
Posted on: 2012/9/17 11:12
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From JCI:
Beginning on October 1, 2012 at 3 am, a single PATH ride will rise to $2.25; two-trip tickets will be $4.50; 10-trip tickets will be $17; 20-trip tickets will be $34; 40-trip tickets will be $68; a 30-day unlimited will be $73 and a 7-day unlimited will be $24. Beginning on October 1, 2013 at 3 am, a single PATH ride will rise to $2.50; two-trip tickets will be $5; 10-trip tickets will be $19; 20-trip tickets will be $38; 40-trip tickets will be $76; a 30-day unlimited will be $80 and a 7-day unlimited will be $26. Beginning on October 1, 2014 at 3 am, a single PATH ride will rise to $2.75; two-trip tickets will be $5.50; 10-trip tickets will be $21; 20-trip tickets will be $42; 40-trip tickets will be $84; a 30-day unlimited will be $89 and a 7-day unlimited will be $29.
Posted on: 2012/9/13 16:43
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Does anyone know exactly when the next fare hike goes into effect? I remember last year it was in mid to late September and they had signs up in stations and on the website about the hike but haven't seen anything yet. I want to be able to load up as many trips as possible on the SmartLink Card like I did last year. I saw a few articles from last year say October 1 each of the next four years but I distinctly remember being on a Sunday in September.
Posted on: 2012/9/13 15:21
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I wonder if I could get a part-time job on the PATH board of directors... I doubt my ideas would be any worse than the ones they've already come up with. For instance, why not hire "white glove" handlers to help out on the platforms (especially NWK and JSQ) during the morning/evening rush? These friendly folks would assist passengers in squeezing into the packed metal tin cans as they prepared to be whisked away to their intended destinations. This plan would provide gainful employment to sociopaths and other scumbags who would otherwise waste their days lounging around the JSQ fountain and has already been implemented successfully in Japan. Look forward to HOPE and CHANGE*, courtesy of your PATH leadership!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk2R_mqV4ts *Note: due to the proposed plan, patrons will incur a $3.00 - $5.00 monthly surcharge to offset the cost of training and housing said handlers. Thank you for your continued patronage!
Posted on: 2012/9/12 9:34
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