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I have noticed these "signal problems" more and more often in the past year or so. I apologize if this has been discussed here before but does anyone know what the problem has been and if there is some type of long term solution to remedy this?


Ancient infrastructure, and Sandy f'd it up even more. The signal system is I believe in the process of being updated, but who knows how long that's going to take (they are saying 2018 but will probably be longer), and who knows how much good it's actually going to do.

The Path has gotten very frustrating. It used to be really reliable.

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...and regarding the signal problems, their site is now saying the replacement project will be completed in 2015. I feel like it used to have an earlier date - possibly even next year... I guess it was delayed by Sandy? (which seems ridiculous, if so - why they wouldn't have taken full-system outages as an opportunity to ramp up the replacement project is beyond me...)

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You can grab the NJT lightrail using your path card to Hoboken and catch the Path there.


Path cards will get you a summons if you showed it to a ticket agent.


NJT was cross-honoring this morning. Of course that's really vague and there are never any details as to what exactly that MEANS, but I'd hope it would mean you could take the lightrail and not have to worry about a summons, on your way to Hoboken...

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You can grab the NJT lightrail using your path card to Hoboken and catch the Path there.


Path cards will get you a summons if you showed it to a ticket agent.

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Get on your bikes and ride? …..through the Holland Tunnel?

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I have noticed these "signal problems" more and more often in the past year or so. I apologize if this has been discussed here before but does anyone know what the problem has been and if there is some type of long term solution to remedy this?

Nature of the beast (train) and Sandy (storm)

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I have noticed these "signal problems" more and more often in the past year or so. I apologize if this has been discussed here before but does anyone know what the problem has been and if there is some type of long term solution to remedy this?

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Concerning the suspension in PATH service, The Newark to World Trade Center line is operating with delays.

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You can grab the NJT lightrail using your path card to Hoboken and catch the Path there.

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All trains suspended except Hoboken to 33rd:

https://twitter.com/PATHTrain

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It seems like the "new" reader boards have been installed for over a year but they have never provided any information. One wonders why they cant get those into service and provide useful information over them.

As for the audio announcements it sounds like someone is standing on the side of the Turnpike in a windstorm using their cellphone to make the recording.

PATH, please try harder. The money has been spent, lets use the investment.

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thanks but more to the point....This was not an isolated incident. This kind of thing happens all the time especially during off peak hours.


my biggest beef with PATH - really my only one - is their appalling lack of communication.

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thanks but more to the point....This was not an isolated incident. This kind of thing happens all the time especially during off peak hours.

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Sorry that happened to you. What a mess. The lack of accountability is appalling.


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Path stranded hundreds of people at Newark Station Sunday night. Tracks were iced so they had to suspend service in the very minor ice/rain storm which may have been understandable. The extreme lack of communication it provided to riders waiting on the cold dock for over an hour after paying caused extreme distress to folks. All while path employees were seen huddled in their warm office laughing and drinking coffee till they figured out how to close the window blinds.

It will be interesting to if an incident like this happens on Superbowl Sunday. Quite frankly a part of me wishes that it does to highlight the extreme communication & service problems that exist on the PATH.

At 11:00 I departed a train from Trenton and made my way to the PATH platform to get on the PATH train scheduled to leave at 11:20. Usually there is a train waiting there and sometimes they open the doors early so people can stay warm till they depart. Other times they let folks freeze and open the train at 11:19. Tonight no train waiting. No train at 11:20. No announcements. I can see the warm PATH employee behind a microphone but she won't acknowledge anyone.

11:30.... no train and no announcement. Nothing posted on the tv scroll either.

11:45....no train and no announcement. Damn its cold. Consider going into warm area and re-paying for my ride if I have to give up another 2.50.

11:55....still no announcement but wait here comes a train! Hooray. Train pulls up and hundreds stand at the doors waiting to get out of frigid temperatures.

12:00....doors still not open

12:05....doors not open. Lights in train go dark and still no announcements.

12:10....1st announcement made that there will be a 30 minute delay

12:11....announcements made that service suspended indefinitely.

Don't expect these folks to recklessly run a train if they don't competently think they can do it. But at any point they could have informed people what was going on and what choices may have existed. A bus downstairs was running to Journal Square. NJTransit trains were slowed but were getting to 33rd Street. Of course the taxis were a resource also. Myself and a NJ State Trooper (God bless her) were standing in a crowd telling people where to go and what to do.

PATH communication = Epic Fail

My personal commute ended when I got home at 2:30 am...three hours late with questions to answer at home.... lol



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Path stranded hundreds of people at Newark Station Sunday night. Tracks were iced so they had to suspend service in the very minor ice/rain storm which may have been understandable. The extreme lack of communication it provided to riders waiting on the cold dock for over an hour after paying caused extreme distress to folks. All while path employees were seen huddled in their warm office laughing and drinking coffee till they figured out how to close the window blinds.

It will be interesting to if an incident like this happens on Superbowl Sunday. Quite frankly a part of me wishes that it does to highlight the extreme communication & service problems that exist on the PATH.

At 11:00 I departed a train from Trenton and made my way to the PATH platform to get on the PATH train scheduled to leave at 11:20. Usually there is a train waiting there and sometimes they open the doors early so people can stay warm till they depart. Other times they let folks freeze and open the train at 11:19. Tonight no train waiting. No train at 11:20. No announcements. I can see the warm PATH employee behind a microphone but she won't acknowledge anyone.

11:30.... no train and no announcement. Nothing posted on the tv scroll either.

11:45....no train and no announcement. Damn its cold. Consider going into warm area and re-paying for my ride if I have to give up another 2.50.

11:55....still no announcement but wait here comes a train! Hooray. Train pulls up and hundreds stand at the doors waiting to get out of frigid temperatures.

12:00....doors still not open

12:05....doors not open. Lights in train go dark and still no announcements.

12:10....1st announcement made that there will be a 30 minute delay

12:11....announcements made that service suspended indefinitely.

Don't expect these folks to recklessly run a train if they don't competently think they can do it. But at any point they could have informed people what was going on and what choices may have existed. A bus downstairs was running to Journal Square. NJTransit trains were slowed but were getting to 33rd Street. Of course the taxis were a resource also. Myself and a NJ State Trooper (God bless her) were standing in a crowd telling people where to go and what to do.

PATH communication = Epic Fail

My personal commute ended when I got home at 2:30 am...three hours late with questions to answer at home.... lol



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So scary.... it's good they have the pictures so we can be careful of these hooligans.

Are you stating this because they let the ones they arrested go free or we should just look out for those dressed like the ones in the photos ?

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So scary.... it's good they have the pictures so we can be careful of these hooligans.

Are you stating this because they let the ones they arrested go free or we should just look out for those dressed like the ones in the photos ?

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So scary.... it's good they have the pictures so we can be careful of these hooligans.

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Man assaulted at West Village PATH station
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Man Attacked in Christopher Street PATH Station: Police
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/ ... -Turnstile-235080531.html

Port Authority Police Hunt Suspects In Christopher Street PATH Station Assault
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/12/0 ... eet-path-station-assault/

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Service is dismal

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Man assaulted at West Village PATH station
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?sec ... local/new_york&id=9354108

Man Attacked in Christopher Street PATH Station: Police
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/ ... -Turnstile-235080531.html

Port Authority Police Hunt Suspects In Christopher Street PATH Station Assault
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/12/0 ... eet-path-station-assault/

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Some of you should direct your suggestions/rants to the PATH Executive Director:

Executive Director - Patrick J. Foye
(212) 435-7271

http://a856-gbol.nyc.gov/gbolwebsite/336.html

Might make you feel better.

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I take the rush hour trains every day and it's rate (maybe once a month) when I can't get on the train and have to wait for the next one.


So on a monthly basis, you find the cars are packed to the point where you can't board the train and have to wait? Not sure I find that to be an acceptable level


Once a month or every other month where you have to wait an extra 5 minutes is unacceptable? I guess for you.. not too big of a deal for me.


In my experience, this happens more than once a month, and the wait between trains is more than 5 minutes. The PATH schedules often bear no resemblance to reality (albeit more often on weekends).

But what irritates me more is when the PATH just stops between stations during rush hour, waiting for another train to go by. I thought the whole point of a train being on tracks
was to avoid the problems of gridlock associated with traffic on streets. Perhaps I'm just too idealistic.

But hey...unacceptable as it all may be, all the complaints in the world won't change anything anyway.

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I take the rush hour trains every day and it's rate (maybe once a month) when I can't get on the train and have to wait for the next one.


So on a monthly basis, you find the cars are packed to the point where you can't board the train and have to wait? Not sure I find that to be an acceptable level


Once a month or every other month where you have to wait an extra 5 minutes is unacceptable? I guess for you.. not too big of a deal for me.

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I take the rush hour trains every day and it's rate (maybe once a month) when I can't get on the train and have to wait for the next one.


So on a monthly basis, you find the cars are packed to the point where you can't board the train and have to wait? Not sure I find that to be an acceptable level


Some people just want to pretend that the trains are fine. They are obviously sleepwalking through life.

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Also, could people PLEASE STOP BRINGING coffee (and, food) into the trains!? Why is it that some yuppies think it is wrong for people to eat in the PATH, but then feel perfectly fine bringing in their Starbucks and DD coffees into the train?? So often you find seats on which coffee has been spilled, or train cars soiled by spills that, invariably, get strewn by the jerking train motions. All it takes is one unexpected motion and your precious coffee can ruin someone else's morning (who wants to go to work dirtied by coffee? Or, worse, burned by it?)


I actually prefer the spilt coffee on the floor. After it dries, it's the only spot with adequate traction when the train slams to a screeching halt. However, i do find the smell of morning farts and Indian curry (or body odor, same difference) much more offensive. I guess I should just move to the suburbs...

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I take the rush hour trains every day and it's rate (maybe once a month) when I can't get on the train and have to wait for the next one.


So on a monthly basis, you find the cars are packed to the point where you can't board the train and have to wait? Not sure I find that to be an acceptable level

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Personally, I have resorted to changing my commuting times/routes to avoid the PATH debacle. I am lucky enough that my schedule allows for that so, when I do take the PATH, I take a later train (after 9:30) and in the evenings I ride back to HOB and from there a bike ride back to my place. If I was a Newport resident, or anywhere along the waterfront, I would definitely ride the HOB train and walk home (even during the Winter months!) as the HOB trains are mostly empty (always a seat available). The 33rd-JSQ situation is almost unbearable at times, and it is only a matter of time before some serious fights start breaking out. I have seen some tense exchanges already.

Also, could people PLEASE STOP BRINGING coffee (and, food) into the trains!? Why is it that some yuppies think it is wrong for people to eat in the PATH, but then feel perfectly fine bringing in their Starbucks and DD coffees into the train?? So often you find seats on which coffee has been spilled, or train cars soiled by spills that, invariably, get strewn by the jerking train motions. All it takes is one unexpected motion and your precious coffee can ruin someone else's morning (who wants to go to work dirtied by coffee? Or, worse, burned by it?)

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Have the rush hours between JSQ/33 always been this crowded? Have steps ever been taken to alleviate the cramped commute?


As someone who has been here 25 years I can tell you that the commute has gotten much worse. It was NEVER a "grab a seat and make yourself comfortable" scenario but you could actually get on a train. Now the trains are woefully overcrowded and often to capacity. The solution would be more trains but unfortunately the PATH system is not designed to handle increased trains. If the route were a circle it would be a piece of cake. Unfortunately every train that goes in must be turned around and come out on a single track. The only measures that might help a tiny bit would be to lengthen trains and station platforms. Unfortunately that will cost billions and take years to achieve. Meanwhile developers are packing more and more residents into high-rises. In some people's feeble minds, because we are a "city", we should just grow unchecked until living becomes intolerable, commuting is impossible and poop geysers explode from the streets. I assume that many of these same folks work either in property development or in real estate.


You can't get on the train? Stop with the dramatics. I take the rush hour trains every day and it's rate (maybe once a month) when I can't get on the train and have to wait for the next one.

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Have the rush hours between JSQ/33 always been this crowded? Have steps ever been taken to alleviate the cramped commute?


Today was not a normal day. At about 9:30 there was a medical emergency on a 33rd street train just after it left Grove Street. Only WTC trains were then sent through. I gave up after 20+ minutes of waiting, got a coffee, came down 30 minutes later and there were still crowds.

Tomorrow will be better.


And around 7:30 am this morning, due to police activity, the JSQ-33rd and HOB-33rd line were operating on 30 minutes delays. I jumped on the WTC line instead. It wasn't overly crowded.

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Have the rush hours between JSQ/33 always been this crowded? Have steps ever been taken to alleviate the cramped commute?


Today was not a normal day. At about 9:30 there was a medical emergency on a 33rd street train just after it left Grove Street. Only WTC trains were then sent through. I gave up after 20+ minutes of waiting, got a coffee, came down 30 minutes later and there were still crowds.

Tomorrow will be better.

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