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Separately but related - The PATH has been a disaster on weekend mornings lately, especially going to 33rd. Has anyone else noticed this? Last w/e, I eventually took the train to WTC and subway up to midtown since it didn't appear that any trains were going to 33rd at all after waiting close to 30 minutes.


Looking at Saturday (Feb 4) morning Twitter they posted "Due to emergency track repairs, train service on the JSQ-33 via HOB line is operating on a 15 minute schedule." So hopefully, it's not an ongoing weekend problem.

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The problem also is that the PA loses money on the PATH every year, even with growing ridership. So, they probably don't want to invest as the future returns are not there.

It's beyond me why an expensive expansion to EWR needs to happen. They have the AirTrain from NJT already. I just think adding a bunch of people with big suitcases (esp at rush hour) would make the overcrowding worse.

Separately but related - The PATH has been a disaster on weekend mornings lately, especially going to 33rd. Has anyone else noticed this? Last w/e, I eventually took the train to WTC and subway up to midtown since it didn't appear that any trains were going to 33rd at all after waiting close to 30 minutes.

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I know New York is expanding their ferry service, and the cost will be the same as a single ride MTA swipe of a metro card. It's too bad New Jersey can't figure out something along those lines. I think more people would take the ferry if it didn't cost $6/$7 a ride from Jersey City.

The ferries are expensive because they're privately operated.

The only way to reduce the cost is to subsidize them. Which is fine, but also means someone else is now paying for the ferry, via taxes. So who is stuck with the bill?


I totally agree with you. The ferry system needs to be subsidized by the state to alleviate the overcrowding on PATH. PATH also needs to be taken over by NJ Transit and subsidized as well. The PA has no interest in future developments that will make any difference to the overcrowding. They should have been working on something 10-15 years ago. So we have one solution in the meantime and that is to take advantage of our waterways.

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I know New York is expanding their ferry service, and the cost will be the same as a single ride MTA swipe of a metro card. It's too bad New Jersey can't figure out something along those lines. I think more people would take the ferry if it didn't cost $6/$7 a ride from Jersey City.

The ferries are expensive because they're privately operated.

The only way to reduce the cost is to subsidize them. Which is fine, but also means someone else is now paying for the ferry, via taxes. So who is stuck with the bill?

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Ferry is already standing room only if you're late. They should increase prices to make more use the Path.


I know...it makes too much sense doesn't it?

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Ferry is already standing room only if you're late. They should increase prices to make more use the Path.

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I know New York is expanding their ferry service, and the cost will be the same as a single ride MTA swipe of a metro card. It's too bad New Jersey can't figure out something along those lines. I think more people would take the ferry if it didn't cost $6/$7 a ride from Jersey City.

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Dorothea, Welcome to 2017. Guess what? It is not that uncommon to have to miss trains during rush hour in major cities...Path crowding is nothing compared to Shanghai, Bangkok, Cairo, Hong Kong, Sao Paolo....

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Anyone know why they're killing 33rd street service slightly after rush hour today?


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Anyone know why they're killing 33rd street service slightly after rush hour today?

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The article fails to address one important question: Are they going to shut down one of the WTC tunnels on weekends AT THE SAME TIME AS the shutdown of the 33rd Street Line? If they do, it's going to be a total clusterf*ck on weekends.

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I'm no engineer, but why bother to close both downtown tunnels on weekends for the entirety of 2014 in order to just wash off salt as a temporary measure? If the infrastructure was going to have to be permanently replaced, why didn't they just bite the bullet and replace it back then?


I doubt the post-flood remediation work could have waited until the signal-replacement job was ready for construction.

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And the WTC tunnel was already closed on the weekends 18-24 months ago. Why couldn't this work have been performed then?


Don't kill the job.

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From the NJ.com story:

The tunnels underwent a $50 million power wash in 2014 to remove the corrosive salt and chemicals from the salt water.

"Salt can never be completely washed away until the damaged infrastructure is replaced," Cassidy said.



I'm no engineer, but why bother to close both downtown tunnels on weekends for the entirety of 2014 in order to just wash off salt as a temporary measure? If the infrastructure was going to have to be permanently replaced, why didn't they just bite the bullet and replace it back then?

This is so damn typical of the PA. Piss $50 million up the wall on a temporary patch that closes the tunnels for a year, only to come back two years later to spend another $400 million to do the real repair work and disrupt the service for another year. This apparent incompetence/indifference is SO infuriating!

If nothing else, these unending weekend PATH closures will likely slow down the tide of NYC refugees washing up in DTJC only to push up those constitutionally-protected cheap rents and steal those God-given on-street parking spots....

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PATH tunnels could close on weekends for next 2 years

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The article title is misleading because:

"A $400 million project to gut and replace track and electronics in the PATH's two tunnels between New Jersey and the World Trade Center would take one tunnel out of service at a time for 35 weekends a year over the next two years."


Agreed, but think about how many more clicks they got by using purposefully unclear wording.


If they are saying 2 years now, that means in reality it will be closer to 4 years.

And the WTC tunnel was already closed on the weekends 18-24 months ago. Why couldn't this work have been performed then?


So true. I think this is just emblematic of how the PA goes about their business: instead of trying to figure out a way to do all of this at once, carefully spending taxpayer money, they choose something that is both wasteful and incredibly disrupting to a lot of people. Also agreed on the timeline estimates. Since experience tells us that the PA will not meet their own timelines, I think it is safe to assume that the work will take at least three years. Lucky for us, the work is only going to affect us on weekends. People in Williamsburg will be without a subway for over a year! :o


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The article title is misleading because:

"A $400 million project to gut and replace track and electronics in the PATH's two tunnels between New Jersey and the World Trade Center would take one tunnel out of service at a time for 35 weekends a year over the next two years."


Agreed, but think about how many more clicks they got by using purposefully unclear wording.


If they are saying 2 years now, that means in reality it will be closer to 4 years.

And the WTC tunnel was already closed on the weekends 18-24 months ago. Why couldn't this work have been performed then?

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The article title is misleading because:

"A $400 million project to gut and replace track and electronics in the PATH's two tunnels between New Jersey and the World Trade Center would take one tunnel out of service at a time for 35 weekends a year over the next two years."


Agreed, but think about how many more clicks they got by using purposefully unclear wording.

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The article title is misleading because:

"A $400 million project to gut and replace track and electronics in the PATH's two tunnels between New Jersey and the World Trade Center would take one tunnel out of service at a time for 35 weekends a year over the next two years."

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PATH tunnels could close on weekends for next 2 years

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Thanks Bill. Refreshing to get a helpful answer on here.

Now that's out of the way, let's get back to the race-baiting!

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After speaking with my buddy at the Path, he said the reason why we see 7 car trains on the NWK-WTC line is because the normal train is having some sort of equipment failure. The standby trains are all 7-car so they can be used on all the lines for greatest flexibility.


Thanks for the insight! That makes perfect sense.

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After speaking with my buddy at the Path, he said the reason why we see 7 car trains on the NWK-WTC line is because the normal train is having some sort of equipment failure. The standby trains are all 7-car so they can be used on all the lines for greatest flexibility.

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Once in a while you will see a 7 car set


Well, yeah that's his point. But why?

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Once in a while you will see a 7 car set

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The Newark line only runs 8 cars


Well the point still stands - rather than running 8 cars random trains are showing up with only 7 cars as if they were running on the 33rd-JSQ line. What's up with that?

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The Newark line only runs 8 cars

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For the past 4-6 weeks trains on the NWK-WTC line have been randomly showing up during both the morning and evening rush hour missing one or two cars.

The commuters spread themselves along the platform in anticipation of the usual 10-car service only to have an 8 or 9 car train pull in, causing a sudden stampede up the platform to cram themselves into the last car.

This has happened on my commute about a dozen times or so over the last month, with no apparent rhyme or reason to which trains come with a full complement of 10 cars and which come with only 8 or 9. it's very frustrating for those of us who board at the rear of the trains.

Anyone know why this is happening now? I've never encountered this on the WTC line in all the years I've been riding the PATH until this summer.

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Final two platforms at WTC opened this morning. Egress was surprisingly smooth.

Similar to how the 33rd St platforms operate, right hand doors open up allowing passengers out onto an empty platform and then up dedicated exit stairs and escalators, so you don't have to contend with anyone coming down.

Early days, but it looks like the PA at least has managed to somewhat address the crowding getting down to and up from the PATH platforms.

A very tentative "good job, guys".


yeah the "exit only" signs at the top of the escalators are a nice touch.

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