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Yesterday afternoon, at the 14th St station: announcement playing stating that due to signal failure all trains on the 33rd St line were experiencing delays (seriously, is this a joke!?) A train to Hoboken pulls into the station and EVERY CAR had ample seating available. Heck, some cars seem to have had at least half the seats empty. 10 minutes later, the JSQ train shows up... EVERY CAR is crowded, no seats available to anyone.

They REALLY need to adjust the JSQ and HOB schedules to alter the frequency of trains heading to each destination. It is a (cruel) joke to run half empty trains to HOB, while JSQ trains are running with crowded conditions.


The ratio of WTC to 33rd trains is becoming just as much of a problem, I think. Two WTC trains come for every 33rd St train, and typically every other WTC train is pretty empty, while the 33rd Street trains are packed at any hour before 9am. On days that I commute I tend to get to Grove between 9-9:15 so it's not bad, but if I have an early situation I have to get to, the 33rd Street line is Sardinesville.


$1.00 for the first person who can tell us the difference between the 33rd St and WTC train routes? Quick!

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The ratio of WTC to 33rd trains is becoming just as much of a problem, I think. Two WTC trains come for every 33rd St train, and typically every other WTC train is pretty empty, while the 33rd Street trains are packed at any hour before 9am. On days that I commute I tend to get to Grove between 9-9:15 so it's not bad, but if I have an early situation I have to get to, the 33rd Street line is Sardinesville.


LOL, when I was going to work on WTC line around 8-8:15am it was completely opposite. The 33rd lines were not packed whereas WTC riders need to wait.

This is because of the timing, most people going to WTC work in finance and need to be in the office and prepare everything before the markets open. Hence the decline in ridership around 9am.

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So after $4bn in the hole for the new WTC PATH station, now the Port Authority is mulling another $11bn for a rebuild of the Bus Terminal?!?!

Yes it's a hole, but it's a fricking bus station! Every bus station I have ever been to is a hole - because they are BUS STATIONS!

$3bn for 1WTC, by far the most expensive skyscraper ever built; $4bn for the PATH terminal, by far the most expensive train station ever built. Now $11bn for this boondoggle - what a disgrace.

Just to put this in perspective, the budget for the cancelled ARC Tunnel into Penn Station was $8.7 billion. Yet another vanity project from the PA which does virtually nothing to add capacity to the region's infrastructure or do anything to plan for the one million new people living in NYC by 2040, and the additional millions living in the metro area.

The Port Authority is an embarrassment to the human species.

Do you notice that all of these vanity projects are in Manhattan? This is Scumbag Cuomo getting his.

Then, they'll raise the PATH train fair while cutting down on the service. It's all in the cards...

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Yesterday afternoon, at the 14th St station: announcement playing stating that due to signal failure all trains on the 33rd St line were experiencing delays (seriously, is this a joke!?) A train to Hoboken pulls into the station and EVERY CAR had ample seating available. Heck, some cars seem to have had at least half the seats empty. 10 minutes later, the JSQ train shows up... EVERY CAR is crowded, no seats available to anyone.

They REALLY need to adjust the JSQ and HOB schedules to alter the frequency of trains heading to each destination. It is a (cruel) joke to run half empty trains to HOB, while JSQ trains are running with crowded conditions.


The ratio of WTC to 33rd trains is becoming just as much of a problem, I think. Two WTC trains come for every 33rd St train, and typically every other WTC train is pretty empty, while the 33rd Street trains are packed at any hour before 9am. On days that I commute I tend to get to Grove between 9-9:15 so it's not bad, but if I have an early situation I have to get to, the 33rd Street line is Sardinesville.

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Cannot make this garbage up. The Federal government should find a way to disband the Port Authority. The mismanagement of funds is an absolute crime. All these poor decisions will rear their head in the next 10 years when the path system is going to be under a tremendous amount of pressure.

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So after $4bn in the hole for the new WTC PATH station, now the Port Authority is mulling another $11bn for a rebuild of the Bus Terminal?!?!

Yes it's a hole, but it's a fricking bus station! Every bus station I have ever been to is a hole - because they are BUS STATIONS!

$3bn for 1WTC, by far the most expensive skyscraper ever built; $4bn for the PATH terminal, by far the most expensive train station ever built. Now $11bn for this boondoggle - what a disgrace.

Just to put this in perspective, the budget for the cancelled ARC Tunnel into Penn Station was $8.7 billion. Yet another vanity project from the PA which does virtually nothing to add capacity to the region's infrastructure or do anything to plan for the one million new people living in NYC by 2040, and the additional millions living in the metro area.

The Port Authority is an embarrassment to the human species.


I don't understand how creating a new tunnel into NYC could possibly be cheaper than fixing up an existing building.

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So after $4bn in the hole for the new WTC PATH station, now the Port Authority is mulling another $11bn for a rebuild of the Bus Terminal?!?!

Yes it's a hole, but it's a fricking bus station! Every bus station I have ever been to is a hole - because they are BUS STATIONS!

$3bn for 1WTC, by far the most expensive skyscraper ever built; $4bn for the PATH terminal, by far the most expensive train station ever built. Now $11bn for this boondoggle - what a disgrace.

Just to put this in perspective, the budget for the cancelled ARC Tunnel into Penn Station was $8.7 billion. Yet another vanity project from the PA which does virtually nothing to add capacity to the region's infrastructure or do anything to plan for the one million new people living in NYC by 2040, and the additional millions living in the metro area.

The Port Authority is an embarrassment to the human species.

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I hired a new Maid Service...the owners credit the fine PATH Train service here in town for launching their business. Hilarious! And the cleaning was great, btw. We'll probably be reading more of these stories soon.

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Why? The "fine PATH Train service here in town" has been operating for decades.

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I hired a new Maid Service...the owners credit the fine PATH Train service here in town for launching their business. Hilarious! And the cleaning was great, btw. We'll probably be reading more of these stories soon.

http://www.maidinjc.com/about/

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I don't know where this fits in to the narrative (apropos of the recent, unprovoked beat down), and perhaps it may not sit well with folks concerned about the lack of service improvements, but there is an interesting essay in NY Magazine about the "glorious boondoggle" of the new WTC transportation hub http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/ ... rade-center-path-hub.html

Will having a space that uplifts one's soul make up for all the hassles (and hazards) of taking PATH? I for one am willing to let myself revel in it.


That article is titled "The Folly" of this WTC station.

It quotes an architect who says "I will make wings for you, and this subway station will cost $4 billion’ … Meanwhile, the kids don’t have erasers on their pencils.”

No, this exorbitant monstrosity does not make up for the ever worsening overcrowding on trains, will not help us once the 25,000+ apartments are completed and more flood onto the PATH, nor does it alleviate the senseless detour into Hoboken (where no one ever gets off) every single night and all weekend.


A massive slap in the face that this ridiculously expensive terminal was built, when every day there are service issues/delays, the JSQ trains are beyond crowded, and the train still detours through Hoboken on the weekend. It would be a massive slap in the face even if this terminal WAS needed. But it is absolutely unnecessary, and tremendously expensive. Such a waste. I really wish the Port Authority would go away.

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To me the station looks like the back of some giant sleeping monster. I expect it at any moment to rise, raising its equally monstrous head from the earth, and lumber its way to midtown to do battle with Godzilla. Or the monster from 'Cloverfield'.


It would be nice to go back into time and convince the power that be a project like extending the PATH up 2nd Ave.. or something else practical (transport wise) would have been a much better decision. Instead just build a utilitarian but practical station at WTC.





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I don't know where this fits in to the narrative (apropos of the recent, unprovoked beat down), and perhaps it may not sit well with folks concerned about the lack of service improvements, but there is an interesting essay in NY Magazine about the "glorious boondoggle" of the new WTC transportation hub http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/ ... rade-center-path-hub.html

Will having a space that uplifts one's soul make up for all the hassles (and hazards) of taking PATH? I for one am willing to let myself revel in it.


That article is titled "The Folly" of this WTC station.

It quotes an architect who says "I will make wings for you, and this subway station will cost $4 billion’ … Meanwhile, the kids don’t have erasers on their pencils.”

No, this exorbitant monstrosity does not make up for the ever worsening overcrowding on trains, will not help us once the 25,000+ apartments are completed and more flood onto the PATH, nor does it alleviate the senseless detour into Hoboken (where no one ever gets off) every single night and all weekend.

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I don't know where this fits in to the narrative (apropos of the recent, unprovoked beat down), and perhaps it may not sit well with folks concerned about the lack of service improvements, but there is an interesting essay in NY Magazine about the "glorious boondoggle" of the new WTC transportation hub http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/ ... rade-center-path-hub.html

Will having a space that uplifts one's soul make up for all the hassles (and hazards) of taking PATH? I for one am willing to let myself revel in it.

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Yesterday afternoon, at the 14th St station: announcement playing stating that due to signal failure all trains on the 33rd St line were experiencing delays (seriously, is this a joke!?) A train to Hoboken pulls into the station and EVERY CAR had ample seating available. Heck, some cars seem to have had at least half the seats empty. 10 minutes later, the JSQ train shows up... EVERY CAR is crowded, no seats available to anyone.

They REALLY need to adjust the JSQ and HOB schedules to alter the frequency of trains heading to each destination. It is a (cruel) joke to run half empty trains to HOB, while JSQ trains are running with crowded conditions.

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This could be a gang initiation, or a test for terrorism. It seems that the PATH is no longer exempt from crime.

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I hope the perps were caught on tape. Their pictures should posted on the video monitors to shame them and warn others.


Sadly, somehow I doubt the predators involved have any inkling of concepts such as guilt, empathy, or anything relating to morality.

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I hope the perps were caught on tape. Their pictures should posted on the video monitors to shame them and warn others.



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Just to give everyone a heads-up, so you can keep an eye out for this particular modus operandi, my sister-in-law witnessed a mugging - beat down on the PATH early this morning (on or about 6:30 AM) on a train coming from 33rd st. to JSQ.

A group (the perps who were a mix of male and female) kept walking back and forth through multiple PATH cars, never sitting down. One of the female perps broke off from the pack and sat down next a woman in the car my SIL was riding in. This car had no men.. the women appeared to be all riding individually. The woman who had a perp sit next to her was young and well dressed. The female perp began talking to the young woman. My SIL couldn't make out what was said, but it didn't sound pleasant.

The perp female then got up and left... then returned with a male perp. The male perp then slapped the young woman and accused her of "touching her sister". The young woman protested her innocence at which point the male perp began beating her face in with a closed fist. The woman tried to escape, but the remaining five perps came into the car and blocked her escaped. She continued to get a beat down while being relieved of her belongings.

An older woman in the car hit the emergency call button and tried to inform the train crew what was going on. The doors opened up at JSQ and all 7 perps fled while the train was being swarmed by multiple Port Authority cops. Only one of the perps was captured.

The woman victim required medical attention. Per my SIL (who is a nurse) she got a pretty bad beating. It appears the woman was targeted because it looked like she maybe out of the women in the car, she was the most likely to have nice things. The car it appears was targeted because there was nobody there physically capable of resisting the attack.

The perps were black and appeared to be in age of their late teens.

Edit: Per NJ.Com, 6 got caught. The story got the gender of the victim wrong though.

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Just to give everyone a heads-up, so you can keep an eye out for this particular modus operandi, my sister-in-law witnessed a mugging - beat down on the PATH early this morning (on or about 6:30 AM) on a train coming from 33rd st. to JSQ.

A group (the perps who were a mix of male and female) kept walking back and forth through multiple PATH cars, never sitting down. One of the female perps broke off from the pack and sat down next a woman in the car my SIL was riding in. This car had no men.. the women appeared to be all riding individually. The woman who had a perp sit next to her was young and well dressed. The female perp began talking to the young woman. My SIL couldn't make out what was said, but it didn't sound pleasant.

The perp female then got up and left... then returned with a male perp. The male perp then slapped the young woman and accused her of "touching her sister". The young woman protested her innocence at which point the male perp began beating her face in with a closed fist. The woman tried to escape, but the remaining five perps came into the car and blocked her escaped. She continued to get a beat down while being relieved of her belongings.

An older woman in the car hit the emergency call button and tried to inform the train crew what was going on. The doors opened up at JSQ and all 7 perps fled while the train was being swarmed by multiple Port Authority cops. Only one of the perps was captured.

The woman victim required medical attention. Per my SIL (who is a nurse) she got a pretty bad beating. It appears the woman was targeted because it looked like she maybe out of the women in the car, she was the most likely to have nice things. The car it appears was targeted because there was nobody there physically capable of resisting the attack.

The perps were black and appeared to be in age of their late teens.


When you pair your SIL's report with the story posted by Seagull, (post #1179) it seems like the same crew and all have been arrested. Let's hope that they are all sleeping on a steel cot at this moment.

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Just to give everyone a heads-up, so you can keep an eye out for this particular modus operandi, my sister-in-law witnessed a mugging - beat down on the PATH early this morning (on or about 6:30 AM) on a train coming from 33rd st. to JSQ.

A group (the perps who were a mix of male and female) kept walking back and forth through multiple PATH cars, never sitting down. One of the female perps broke off from the pack and sat down next a woman in the car my SIL was riding in. This car had no men.. the women appeared to be all riding individually. The woman who had a perp sit next to her was young and well dressed. The female perp began talking to the young woman. My SIL couldn't make out what was said, but it didn't sound pleasant.

The perp female then got up and left... then returned with a male perp. The male perp then slapped the young woman and accused her of "touching her sister". The young woman protested her innocence at which point the male perp began beating her face in with a closed fist. The woman tried to escape, but the remaining five perps came into the car and blocked her escaped. She continued to get a beat down while being relieved of her belongings.

An older woman in the car hit the emergency call button and tried to inform the train crew what was going on. The doors opened up at JSQ and all 7 perps fled while the train was being swarmed by multiple Port Authority cops. Only one of the perps was captured.

The woman victim required medical attention. Per my SIL (who is a nurse) she got a pretty bad beating. It appears the woman was targeted because it looked like she maybe out of the women in the car, she was the most likely to have nice things. The car it appears was targeted because there was nobody there physically capable of resisting the attack.

The perps were black and appeared to be in age of their late teens.

Edit: Per NJ.Com, 6 got caught. The story got the gender of the victim wrong though.

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100% true. The people at Newport have it the worst. Many trains leave Grove already full. It is not at all uncommon (in my experience) to be in a train that arrives at Newport and no one there is able to get on. At this point, I am surprised more people aren't riding trains back to JSQ to ensure they get a seat without having to deal with the hassle of pushing their way into a crowded car.


I know people who ride from Newport to Hoboken instead at rush hour, and from there, take the HOB-33 train. That train is nowhere near as crowded, and the odds of getting a seat are pretty good even at rush hour. What's ridiculous is the Port Authority treats Hob-33 and JSQ-33 equally. Based on weekday ridership, they should be scaling back the frequency of Hoboken trains and increasing JSQ.


And, yes, you are 100% on point. They should scale back the frequency of HOB trains and run more trains along the JSQ line during rush hour.

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100% true. The people at Newport have it the worst. Many trains leave Grove already full. It is not at all uncommon (in my experience) to be in a train that arrives at Newport and no one there is able to get on. At this point, I am surprised more people aren't riding trains back to JSQ to ensure they get a seat without having to deal with the hassle of pushing their way into a crowded car.


I know people who ride from Newport to Hoboken instead at rush hour, and from there, take the HOB-33 train. That train is nowhere near as crowded, and the odds of getting a seat are pretty good even at rush hour. What's ridiculous is the Port Authority treats Hob-33 and JSQ-33 equally. Based on weekday ridership, they should be scaling back the frequency of Hoboken trains and increasing JSQ.


I do a variation of this, but normally on my way back home during warmer months. On those days when I choose to bring my bicycle into the city, I always ride the HOB train. It is usually empty enough that I can score a seat during the height of the evening rush commute, and I don't need to endure the dirty stares from those inconvenienced or annoyed by my bike. Even during the dog days of Summer, an evening bike ride along the waterfront is pleasant and enjoyable.

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What I meant was Hoboken is >80% white, JC not so much (33%) Newark even less (26%).

I think there is a lot to that, although perhaps more class privledge than race per-se. Remember, Hoboken is a transfer point for suburban commuter trains. A lot of state politicians' constituents arrive in Hoboken Terminal.

And, I see this play out in the bus service - like JSQ, a lot of people transfer to NJ Transit buses in Hoboken, myself included. The 126, which serves north Hoboken and continues on to NYC leaves every few minutes, often with just a handful of (largely white) passengers. My bus, the 87, which runs to the Heights and Greenville is always packed, almost always delayed. IMO, the relative levels of service certainly reflect how well catered too, and influential, their customers are, even if race is at the forefront.

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What I meant was Hoboken is >80% white, JC not so much (33%) Newark even less (26%).

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What's ridiculous is the Port Authority treats Hob-33 and JSQ-33 equally. Based on weekday ridership, they should be scaling back the frequency of Hoboken trains and increasing JSQ.



Another example of white privilege.


It ain't no privilege for me and I'm white. I suffer with everyone else on the JSQ/HOB-33 trains on the weekends when I'm headed back to Jersey City, and I'm not among the people (who are not all white BTW) that get off in Hoboken. Silly comment.

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Another example of white privilege.

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100% true. The people at Newport have it the worst. Many trains leave Grove already full. It is not at all uncommon (in my experience) to be in a train that arrives at Newport and no one there is able to get on. At this point, I am surprised more people aren't riding trains back to JSQ to ensure they get a seat without having to deal with the hassle of pushing their way into a crowded car.


I know people who ride from Newport to Hoboken instead at rush hour, and from there, take the HOB-33 train. That train is nowhere near as crowded, and the odds of getting a seat are pretty good even at rush hour. What's ridiculous is the Port Authority treats Hob-33 and JSQ-33 equally. Based on weekday ridership, they should be scaling back the frequency of Hoboken trains and increasing JSQ.

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The landing site is deteriorating, NYW doesn't think it's safe. NYW talked to Newport about an alternate site, and apparently decided that Paulus Hook was close enough.

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They will ruin the Newport stop even more. If you have to wait for a train or two to pass at Grove due to overcrowding, forget ever having enough room at Newport.


The only way to get on for folks at Newport will have to be take the train in the opposite direction to JSQ, then get on the empty train going back. I did it every morning during Sandy and sure beats missing 3-4 trains in a row.


100% true. The people at Newport have it the worst. Many trains leave Grove already full. It is not at all uncommon (in my experience) to be in a train that arrives at Newport and no one there is able to get on. At this point, I am surprised more people aren't riding trains back to JSQ to ensure they get a seat without having to deal with the hassle of pushing their way into a crowded car.

Posted on: 3/10 7:31
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