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I'm been getting to work earlier and avoiding the crowds. 8:30 is impossible on PATH. Just don't do it.

Oddly enough, the return home commute isn't as bad.

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not sure even Sean Spicer could positively spin the Port Authority's strategic planning for the PATH system.

Perhaps they could create some new positions a la Tokyo where you have the guys that physically push people into the train cars....

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seems we won't be able to use the PATH... Recent article says it's 37,000 new units - how are we going to fit?

https://jerseydigs.com/jersey-city-real-estate-development-2017/


If nothing changes between now and 2019 or 2020, and the trains become so crowded you can't get on one heading to NYC by the time it arrives at Grove, just take ride it one station away to JSQ, stay seated and ride it back to NYC.

So you're going to add 20 minutes to your commute, just to get a seat?

Is that what people are fretting about -- not getting a seat in the mornings? Seriously?

Guess you've never taken the path during rush hour. You can't get IN the train. Nobody cares about a seat. I've had to let 3 trains go by before I can get in one. Before 8am is slightly better. It adds I would 6-8 minutes to the trip. HOWEVER again after 8:30 you may need to wait at JSQ for a train or two to go by. Seriously.

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No, that's not what Bodhipooh wrote. He said that one won't even be able to get on a train to get into Manhattan. So instead one would have to get on a train going in the wrong direction and stay on when it turns around. The "seated" part was not the point, but odds are one could get a seat going against traffic.

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seems we won't be able to use the PATH... Recent article says it's 37,000 new units - how are we going to fit?

https://jerseydigs.com/jersey-city-real-estate-development-2017/


If nothing changes between now and 2019 or 2020, and the trains become so crowded you can't get on one heading to NYC by the time it arrives at Grove, just take ride it one station away to JSQ, stay seated and ride it back to NYC.

So you're going to add 20 minutes to your commute, just to get a seat?

Is that what people are fretting about -- not getting a seat in the mornings? Seriously?

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seems we won't be able to use the PATH... Recent article says it's 37,000 new units - how are we going to fit? /

I just have to point out, this thread started in 2008... with a poster named scooter worried that the PATH will be overwhelmed with riders in "the next few years." Apparently, a track condition on one single day demonstrated that the entire system was doomed.

Somehow, that Malthusian nightmare did not come to pass.

As to your question: PA is already taking several steps to increase capacity. One is that they are revamping the signal system, both to meet new federal requirements, but also to allow them to run more frequent trains.

They are also expanding the Harrison station, to allow 10-car trains on the WTC line.

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seems we won't be able to use the PATH... Recent article says it's 37,000 new units - how are we going to fit?

https://jerseydigs.com/jersey-city-real-estate-development-2017/


If nothing changes between now and 2019 or 2020, and the trains become so crowded you can't get on one heading to NYC by the time it arrives at Grove, just take ride it one station away to JSQ, stay seated and ride it back to NYC. Some people at Newport already do this, rather than try and get on at their station, as the trains that arrive at Newport are often too full to allow others to board. Problem solved, you just have to leave 10-15 minutes earlier.

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seems we won't be able to use the PATH... Recent article says it's 37,000 new units - how are we going to fit?

https://jerseydigs.com/jersey-city-real-estate-development-2017/

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the escalators are grove street were down again today...like they are every week it seems. what is the problem? rain, corrosion? i don't get it. hong kong, with its storms, has the longest, highest escalator system in the world [i think] and it functions RELIABLY.

maybe the port authority should install escalators at the marin blvd entrance too.


There is a thread on this topic. The escalator were designed for indoor user:
http://jclist.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=322657

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the escalators are grove street were down again today...like they are every week it seems. what is the problem? rain, corrosion? i don't get it. hong kong, with its storms, has the longest, highest escalator system in the world [i think] and it functions RELIABLY.

maybe the port authority should install escalators at the marin blvd entrance too.

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Oh yeah, and I almost forgot the best part: After taking the WTC train from Grove, the train stops for 10 minutes before Exchange Place! Come on!!

Everyone expects the trains to be packed at rush hour. But the problem is that there is so much development happening in DTJC, Journal Square, and even Harrison and Downtown Newark, but no investment is being made to increase capacity. Right now it is a matter of finger pointing between cities and the PA, which we all know is not going to solve anything.

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Separately but related - The PATH has been a disaster on weekend mornings lately, especially going to 33rd. Has anyone else noticed this? Last w/e, I eventually took the train to WTC and subway up to midtown since it didn't appear that any trains were going to 33rd at all after waiting close to 30 minutes.



It is worse than a disaster taking PATH to NYC these days.

What a pathetic joke of a service while totally monolpolizing transport to NYC - the trains don't run and crawl when they do.


There should be large affordable ferry services along the waterfront like the Hong Kong Star Ferry or even the Staten Island Ferry - no reason apart from greed this does not exist.





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Bring in peak pricing, like the MTA does for the LIRR, to reduce overcrowding on PATH and encourage folks to leave earlier or later.

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Separately but related - The PATH has been a disaster on weekend mornings lately, especially going to 33rd. Has anyone else noticed this? Last w/e, I eventually took the train to WTC and subway up to midtown since it didn't appear that any trains were going to 33rd at all after waiting close to 30 minutes.


Looking at Saturday (Feb 4) morning Twitter they posted "Due to emergency track repairs, train service on the JSQ-33 via HOB line is operating on a 15 minute schedule." So hopefully, it's not an ongoing weekend problem.

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The problem also is that the PA loses money on the PATH every year, even with growing ridership. So, they probably don't want to invest as the future returns are not there.

It's beyond me why an expensive expansion to EWR needs to happen. They have the AirTrain from NJT already. I just think adding a bunch of people with big suitcases (esp at rush hour) would make the overcrowding worse.

Separately but related - The PATH has been a disaster on weekend mornings lately, especially going to 33rd. Has anyone else noticed this? Last w/e, I eventually took the train to WTC and subway up to midtown since it didn't appear that any trains were going to 33rd at all after waiting close to 30 minutes.

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I know New York is expanding their ferry service, and the cost will be the same as a single ride MTA swipe of a metro card. It's too bad New Jersey can't figure out something along those lines. I think more people would take the ferry if it didn't cost $6/$7 a ride from Jersey City.

The ferries are expensive because they're privately operated.

The only way to reduce the cost is to subsidize them. Which is fine, but also means someone else is now paying for the ferry, via taxes. So who is stuck with the bill?


I totally agree with you. The ferry system needs to be subsidized by the state to alleviate the overcrowding on PATH. PATH also needs to be taken over by NJ Transit and subsidized as well. The PA has no interest in future developments that will make any difference to the overcrowding. They should have been working on something 10-15 years ago. So we have one solution in the meantime and that is to take advantage of our waterways.

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I know New York is expanding their ferry service, and the cost will be the same as a single ride MTA swipe of a metro card. It's too bad New Jersey can't figure out something along those lines. I think more people would take the ferry if it didn't cost $6/$7 a ride from Jersey City.

The ferries are expensive because they're privately operated.

The only way to reduce the cost is to subsidize them. Which is fine, but also means someone else is now paying for the ferry, via taxes. So who is stuck with the bill?

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Ferry is already standing room only if you're late. They should increase prices to make more use the Path.


I know...it makes too much sense doesn't it?

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Ferry is already standing room only if you're late. They should increase prices to make more use the Path.

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I know New York is expanding their ferry service, and the cost will be the same as a single ride MTA swipe of a metro card. It's too bad New Jersey can't figure out something along those lines. I think more people would take the ferry if it didn't cost $6/$7 a ride from Jersey City.

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Dorothea, Welcome to 2017. Guess what? It is not that uncommon to have to miss trains during rush hour in major cities...Path crowding is nothing compared to Shanghai, Bangkok, Cairo, Hong Kong, Sao Paolo....

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Anyone know why they're killing 33rd street service slightly after rush hour today?

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The article fails to address one important question: Are they going to shut down one of the WTC tunnels on weekends AT THE SAME TIME AS the shutdown of the 33rd Street Line? If they do, it's going to be a total clusterf*ck on weekends.

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I'm no engineer, but why bother to close both downtown tunnels on weekends for the entirety of 2014 in order to just wash off salt as a temporary measure? If the infrastructure was going to have to be permanently replaced, why didn't they just bite the bullet and replace it back then?


I doubt the post-flood remediation work could have waited until the signal-replacement job was ready for construction.

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And the WTC tunnel was already closed on the weekends 18-24 months ago. Why couldn't this work have been performed then?


Don't kill the job.

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The tunnels underwent a $50 million power wash in 2014 to remove the corrosive salt and chemicals from the salt water.

"Salt can never be completely washed away until the damaged infrastructure is replaced," Cassidy said.



I'm no engineer, but why bother to close both downtown tunnels on weekends for the entirety of 2014 in order to just wash off salt as a temporary measure? If the infrastructure was going to have to be permanently replaced, why didn't they just bite the bullet and replace it back then?

This is so damn typical of the PA. Piss $50 million up the wall on a temporary patch that closes the tunnels for a year, only to come back two years later to spend another $400 million to do the real repair work and disrupt the service for another year. This apparent incompetence/indifference is SO infuriating!

If nothing else, these unending weekend PATH closures will likely slow down the tide of NYC refugees washing up in DTJC only to push up those constitutionally-protected cheap rents and steal those God-given on-street parking spots....

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