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I'm no engineer, but why bother to close both downtown tunnels on weekends for the entirety of 2014 in order to just wash off salt as a temporary measure? If the infrastructure was going to have to be permanently replaced, why didn't they just bite the bullet and replace it back then?


I doubt the post-flood remediation work could have waited until the signal-replacement job was ready for construction.

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And the WTC tunnel was already closed on the weekends 18-24 months ago. Why couldn't this work have been performed then?


Don't kill the job.

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From the NJ.com story:

The tunnels underwent a $50 million power wash in 2014 to remove the corrosive salt and chemicals from the salt water.

"Salt can never be completely washed away until the damaged infrastructure is replaced," Cassidy said.



I'm no engineer, but why bother to close both downtown tunnels on weekends for the entirety of 2014 in order to just wash off salt as a temporary measure? If the infrastructure was going to have to be permanently replaced, why didn't they just bite the bullet and replace it back then?

This is so damn typical of the PA. Piss $50 million up the wall on a temporary patch that closes the tunnels for a year, only to come back two years later to spend another $400 million to do the real repair work and disrupt the service for another year. This apparent incompetence/indifference is SO infuriating!

If nothing else, these unending weekend PATH closures will likely slow down the tide of NYC refugees washing up in DTJC only to push up those constitutionally-protected cheap rents and steal those God-given on-street parking spots....

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PATH tunnels could close on weekends for next 2 years

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The article title is misleading because:

"A $400 million project to gut and replace track and electronics in the PATH's two tunnels between New Jersey and the World Trade Center would take one tunnel out of service at a time for 35 weekends a year over the next two years."


Agreed, but think about how many more clicks they got by using purposefully unclear wording.


If they are saying 2 years now, that means in reality it will be closer to 4 years.

And the WTC tunnel was already closed on the weekends 18-24 months ago. Why couldn't this work have been performed then?


So true. I think this is just emblematic of how the PA goes about their business: instead of trying to figure out a way to do all of this at once, carefully spending taxpayer money, they choose something that is both wasteful and incredibly disrupting to a lot of people. Also agreed on the timeline estimates. Since experience tells us that the PA will not meet their own timelines, I think it is safe to assume that the work will take at least three years. Lucky for us, the work is only going to affect us on weekends. People in Williamsburg will be without a subway for over a year! :o


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PATH tunnels could close on weekends for next 2 years

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The article title is misleading because:

"A $400 million project to gut and replace track and electronics in the PATH's two tunnels between New Jersey and the World Trade Center would take one tunnel out of service at a time for 35 weekends a year over the next two years."


Agreed, but think about how many more clicks they got by using purposefully unclear wording.


If they are saying 2 years now, that means in reality it will be closer to 4 years.

And the WTC tunnel was already closed on the weekends 18-24 months ago. Why couldn't this work have been performed then?

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The article title is misleading because:

"A $400 million project to gut and replace track and electronics in the PATH's two tunnels between New Jersey and the World Trade Center would take one tunnel out of service at a time for 35 weekends a year over the next two years."


Agreed, but think about how many more clicks they got by using purposefully unclear wording.

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The article title is misleading because:

"A $400 million project to gut and replace track and electronics in the PATH's two tunnels between New Jersey and the World Trade Center would take one tunnel out of service at a time for 35 weekends a year over the next two years."

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PATH tunnels could close on weekends for next 2 years

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Thanks Bill. Refreshing to get a helpful answer on here.

Now that's out of the way, let's get back to the race-baiting!

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After speaking with my buddy at the Path, he said the reason why we see 7 car trains on the NWK-WTC line is because the normal train is having some sort of equipment failure. The standby trains are all 7-car so they can be used on all the lines for greatest flexibility.


Thanks for the insight! That makes perfect sense.

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After speaking with my buddy at the Path, he said the reason why we see 7 car trains on the NWK-WTC line is because the normal train is having some sort of equipment failure. The standby trains are all 7-car so they can be used on all the lines for greatest flexibility.

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Once in a while you will see a 7 car set


Well, yeah that's his point. But why?

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Once in a while you will see a 7 car set

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The Newark line only runs 8 cars


Well the point still stands - rather than running 8 cars random trains are showing up with only 7 cars as if they were running on the 33rd-JSQ line. What's up with that?

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The Newark line only runs 8 cars

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For the past 4-6 weeks trains on the NWK-WTC line have been randomly showing up during both the morning and evening rush hour missing one or two cars.

The commuters spread themselves along the platform in anticipation of the usual 10-car service only to have an 8 or 9 car train pull in, causing a sudden stampede up the platform to cram themselves into the last car.

This has happened on my commute about a dozen times or so over the last month, with no apparent rhyme or reason to which trains come with a full complement of 10 cars and which come with only 8 or 9. it's very frustrating for those of us who board at the rear of the trains.

Anyone know why this is happening now? I've never encountered this on the WTC line in all the years I've been riding the PATH until this summer.

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Final two platforms at WTC opened this morning. Egress was surprisingly smooth.

Similar to how the 33rd St platforms operate, right hand doors open up allowing passengers out onto an empty platform and then up dedicated exit stairs and escalators, so you don't have to contend with anyone coming down.

Early days, but it looks like the PA at least has managed to somewhat address the crowding getting down to and up from the PATH platforms.

A very tentative "good job, guys".


yeah the "exit only" signs at the top of the escalators are a nice touch.

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Final two platforms at WTC opened this morning. Egress was surprisingly smooth.

Similar to how the 33rd St platforms operate, right hand doors open up allowing passengers out onto an empty platform and then up dedicated exit stairs and escalators, so you don't have to contend with anyone coming down.

Early days, but it looks like the PA at least has managed to somewhat address the crowding getting down to and up from the PATH platforms.

A very tentative "good job, guys".

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I'm not sure this counters my point, right? A lot of what you itemized is outside of the scope of the oculus itself, and would still be required, regardless of whether they built the Taj Mahal on the site, or just borrowed from the Waffle House design manual and erected a little shack.

I'll cop to lets say half the principal construction fees, Calatrava's fee, hlaf the admin, and all of the steel. Even so, that's like a 1.3bn dollars, and I think that's a generous estimate.

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I think it is important to note that the figure is closer to $400 million, not $4 billion. At least for the part of the station that people have an opinion of (the oculus)

It's a bit more than that. As best determined from public sources:

• Temporary PATH station: $323m

• Principal construction fees: $980m

• Infrastructure for adjacent sites: $400m

• Building around the 1 Train: $355m (demanded by Pataki)

• Calatrava's fees: $80m

• Exterior / landscape design team: $400m

• Administrative costs: $655m

• Steel for the project: $474m

• Speeding up construction for the 10th year anniversary: $78m (Bloomberg demand)

• Sandy damage: Not specified, probably hundreds of millions


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Regular normal schedule to 33rd St. for this weekend and a holiday/Saturday schedule for Labor Day on Monday. The federal mandate project schedule sans the 33rd St line will resume the weekend after Labor Day


Thanks!

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I think it is important to note that the figure is closer to $400 million, not $4 billion. At least for the part of the station that people have an opinion of (the oculus)

It's a bit more than that. As best determined from public sources:

• Temporary PATH station: $323m

• Principal construction fees: $980m

• Infrastructure for adjacent sites: $400m

• Building around the 1 Train: $355m (demanded by Pataki)

• Calatrava's fees: $80m

• Exterior / landscape design team: $400m

• Administrative costs: $655m

• Steel for the project: $474m

• Speeding up construction for the 10th year anniversary: $78m (Bloomberg demand)

• Sandy damage: Not specified, probably hundreds of millions


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Regular normal schedule to 33rd St. for this weekend and a holiday/Saturday schedule for Labor Day on Monday. The federal mandate project schedule sans the 33rd St line will resume the weekend after Labor Day

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Regular normal schedule to 33rd St. for this weekend and a holiday/Saturday schedule for Labor Day on Monday. The federal mandate project schedule sans the 33rd St line will resume the weekend after Labor Day..

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pretty much everything published about the "no 33rd street train on weekends" has said "EXCEPT holidays."

so it's safe to say that the regular, no-construction-era weekend schedule will be in place during this upcoming Labor Day holiday weekend.

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But there is no service to 34th Str on saturdays (or sundays, for that matter), isn't that right? If there's no service to 34th, why would there be a "schedule" to 34th (or - could that "schedule" be trusted)?

This is so confusing...

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Does anyone know what routes the PATH will be running this weekend?

I need to go into midtown this sunday, and I just checked PATH's holiday schedule - which says it'll be running a "Saturday schedule". Does this mean no direct service to 34th? Everything goes to WTC?

However, I just found this from their Weekend outage pdf:

The free shuttle bus will run every weekend through December 19, 2016, except for Labor Day (Sept. 3-5), Veteran’s Day (Nov. 11-13), and Thanksgiving (Nov. 24-27).
During those three holiday weekends, PATH will run regular holiday weekend service on all lines, and there will be no shuttle bus.



So - what is the "regular holiday weekend service"???


Seems you answered your own question. That link clearly states that there will be no shuttle this weekend, meaning there will be direct service to 33rd. By "Saturday schedule" I assume they mean the timing of the trains. It's different on Sundays.

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But there is no service to 34th Str on saturdays (or sundays, for that matter), isn't that right? If there's no service to 34th, why would there be a "schedule" to 34th (or - could that "schedule" be trusted)?

This is so confusing...

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Does anyone know what routes the PATH will be running this weekend?

I need to go into midtown this sunday, and I just checked PATH's holiday schedule - which says it'll be running a "Saturday schedule". Does this mean no direct service to 34th? Everything goes to WTC?

However, I just found this from their Weekend outage pdf:

The free shuttle bus will run every weekend through December 19, 2016, except for Labor Day (Sept. 3-5), Veteran’s Day (Nov. 11-13), and Thanksgiving (Nov. 24-27).
During those three holiday weekends, PATH will run regular holiday weekend service on all lines, and there will be no shuttle bus.



So - what is the "regular holiday weekend service"???


Seems you answered your own question. That link clearly states that there will be no shuttle this weekend, meaning there will be direct service to 33rd. By "Saturday schedule" I assume they mean the timing of the trains. It's different on Sundays.

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Does anyone know what routes the PATH will be running this weekend?

I need to go into midtown this sunday, and I just checked PATH's holiday schedule - which says it'll be running a "Saturday schedule". Does this mean no direct service to 34th? Everything goes to WTC?

However, I just found this from their Weekend outage pdf:

The free shuttle bus will run every weekend through December 19, 2016, except for Labor Day (Sept. 3-5), Veteran’s Day (Nov. 11-13), and Thanksgiving (Nov. 24-27).
During those three holiday weekends, PATH will run regular holiday weekend service on all lines, and there will be no shuttle bus.



So - what is the "regular holiday weekend service"???


Seems you answered your own question. That link clearly states that there will be no shuttle this weekend, meaning there will be direct service to 33rd. By "Saturday schedule" I assume they mean the timing of the trains. It's different on Sundays.

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Does anyone know what routes the PATH will be running this weekend?

I need to go into midtown this sunday, and I just checked PATH's holiday schedule - which says it'll be running a "Saturday schedule". Does this mean no direct service to 34th? Everything goes to WTC?

However, I just found this from their Weekend outage pdf:

The free shuttle bus will run every weekend through December 19, 2016, except for Labor Day (Sept. 3-5), Veteran’s Day (Nov. 11-13), and Thanksgiving (Nov. 24-27).
During those three holiday weekends, PATH will run regular holiday weekend service on all lines, and there will be no shuttle bus.



So - what is the "regular holiday weekend service"???

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I think it is important to note that the figure is closer to $400 million, not $4 billion. At least for the part of the station that people have an opinion of (the oculus)

A lot of what is required to support the entire site is folded into that $4bn number. the only way to not spend the money is to leave a hole in the ground.

4bn is the pop-culture number, not the actual number. 400mm isn't nothing, but its a lot less. 90% less, in fact.

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I like the minimalist look, but was underwhelmed that the whole edifice was 4billion. I guess the infrastructure and building around the working trains was a large part of the expense, but i was hoping for more interesting offerings besides run of the mill shops you can find in soho/ short hills or westchester mall. Nothing really stood out. And the Lacoste display in the middle of the belly looked pretty sad and sterile. And, if I'm not mistaken the only retail was on the 2 levels of the carcass and the passageway to WTC4?

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Wishing for the success or failure of the mall is a moot point, because I believe it's going to fail anyway.


Westfield Place will not fail, regardless of how much you wish or believe that will happen. In addition to Wall Street and related financial firms in that area, Downtown Manhattan is slowly becoming a hub for the fashion industry, and that was confirmed and further spurred by the Conde Nast move into 1 WTC. That's the reason why Brookfield Place underwent such a drastic re-imagination, and that's the reason why Westfield Place attracted the retailers it did. You will continue to see an increase of well heeled tourists and locals flocking to Downtown Manhattan, and businesses catering to them will continue to crop up there.

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