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"The draw for departing Brooklynites, she said, is the diversity in the two communities.

"These (buyers) are millenials who know nothing but diversity"

ROTFL. They are coming from Park Slope! Diversity my ass, they are coming from being surrounded by affluent, young white people (unless, of course, they take the subway and not UBER...). What a joke. Maybe the title should be Brooklyn is the eastern suburban frontier.

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Jessica Mazzola | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

A wave is hitting New Jersey from the East, and local realtors say it's landing in Essex County.

Maplewood and South Orange have been unofficially dubbed "Brooklyn West." Realtors throughout the area say the towns are attracting hoards of new residents from the NYC borough, and some have started capitalizing on the trend.

"When we hold an open house (in Maplewood), on average, about 80 percent of the people who attend are from Brooklyn," Amy Harris, a Keller Williams realtor said. Last month, Harris teamed up with a local lending agent and interior designer to run a bus trip from Brooklyn for potential homebuyers to tour available properties in Maplewood and South Orange.

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There are several threads running on the topic.

https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums

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To the credit of the parents they have pushed back at the school administrators and the police (hundreds and hundreds of posts on the local community website) and forced a 'Town Hall' meeting Monday night at the middle school to problem solve.


Could you post the link to the community website? I'm curious how people express their opinions and ideas.

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The school system is under pressure not to suspend students of color, which many residents feel has led to the issues at hand.

https://www.aclu.org/news/groups-file- ... -and-discipline-practices

To the credit of the parents they have pushed back at the school administrators and the police (hundreds and hundreds of posts on the local community website) and forced a 'Town Hall' meeting Monday night at the middle school to problem solve.


Wow, what a shocker! Nice to see "progressive" policies in action.

Although a satire, at the "Town Hall" meeting someone should show all the parents this video, and maybe some will begin to understand. Maplewood sounds like it's reaching the 4 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fonSqHNoWkQ

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The school system is under pressure not to suspend students of color, which many residents feel has led to the issues at hand.

https://www.aclu.org/news/groups-file- ... -and-discipline-practices

To the credit of the parents they have pushed back at the school administrators and the police (hundreds and hundreds of posts on the local community website) and forced a 'Town Hall' meeting Monday night at the middle school to problem solve.

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The middle school boy (reputed to be a gang member) was packing a Glock loaded with hollow points. Add to this, there was an assault of one girl by three others (two of whom are said to gang members) at the high school, and there was a 3AM home invasion this week too. Cops are patrolling the high school today (many parents are keeping kids home) because of a rumored shoot out. All isn't well in Maplewood/South Orange.
who are the parents of these kids. maybe the parents should be fined? kids put in reform school

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Maplewood may have the highest property taxes in the nation $20,000 per year for a relativley modest house is common . The east side of Maplewood is well on it's way to " progressing " itself into being enveloped by Irvington and Newark. Both of which border Mwood. The residents of the west side refer to the east side as Maplehood . East side of Maplewood , think south side of Greenville late 80's early 90's

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The middle school boy (reputed to be a gang member) was packing a Glock loaded with hollow points. Add to this, there was an assault of one girl by three others (two of whom are said to gang members) at the high school, and there was a 3AM home invasion this week too. Cops are patrolling the high school today (many parents are keeping kids home) because of a rumored shoot out. All isn't well in Maplewood/South Orange.

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Another New Jersey community desperately crying "We're just like Brooklyn, see?"

I don?t agree. I don?t think the New Jersey community is saying this. I think the long time Maplewood residents don?t care about Brooklyn and likely never go there. The people saying this are former Brooklyn residents, possibly of only a couple years, refusing to admit that they moved to New Jersey. As such, they must tell anyone and everyone that they didn?t ?change.? They are still just as cool. They still have just as many awesome options. They are just in a bigger house now.

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Typical MOL hilarity, this time about the cancellation, then return, of an elementary school Halloween parade. http://forum.maplewoodonline.com/disc ... 40/halloween-yes-or-no/p3

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ACLU complaint claims Maplewood school procedures unfair to minority students

By Jessica Mazzola | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
on October 15, 2014 at 6:20 PM, updated October 15, 2014 at 6:21 PM

MAPLEWOOD ? A New Jersey High School is facing allegations that it?s minority students are treated unfairly. The ACLU New Jersey chapter and the Civil Rights Project at UCLA announced that they have filed a formal complaint with the N.J. Department of Education requesting an investigation into the tracking and discipline procedures in place at Columbia High School in Maplewood.

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is there aswing scene in maplewood? my later-to-be ex-wife is curious.


That went away in the 70's. But if you want a tri-racial, LGBT, radical chic Maoist Lutheran relationship Maplewood is for you!

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Queens and Brooklyn -- The Good, bad and ugly commutes into midtown

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New Yorkers brace themselves for sky-high rents, but for most, living in Manhattan is absolutely cost-prohibitive. That's why most who work in Manhattan must live in nearby boroughs like Queens and Brooklyn, where the space is ampler and the rents are lower. However, one sacrifice if you work in Manhattan is proximity to your job.

Here are some brokers' picks for the best commutes into midtown:

Long Island City

Long Island City is just across the East River from midtown and the Upper East Side, and as people are priced out of Manhattan, the Western Queens neighborhood has gained in popularity. The biggest selling point for many workers is the speedy commute.

It's 15 minutes door to door from Long Island City to midtown, according to neighborhood residents. The Court Square stop connects commuters to the E, M, G, and 7 trains. The 7 train, of course, goes straight into the heart of midtown, terminating at Times Square.

Williamsburg

Williamsburg has stayed popular because of its proximity to Manhattan and always-growing art community.
"Williamsburg is very popular because of the L train," said Anthony DelleCave, vice president of Citi Habitats.
Laura Bluher, 22, a photographer and performance artist, says that it's a 25-minute commute into Manhattan on the L, which runs between Brooklyn and 14th Street.
"I love living on the L," Bluher said.

Fort Greene

Fort Greene is a less-obvious commuter neighborhood and is situated in northwest Brooklyn, above Prospect Park. It's a 25-minute subway ride to midtown, and nine trains stop at the subway hub at Atlantic Avenue/Pacific Street, along with the Long Island Rail Road. The Brooklyn and Manhattan bridges are easy to get to from here as well for drivers.

Shameika Wade, a senior associate broker at Corcoran, is a huge proponent of Fort Greene. "Fort Greene in particular is situated perfectly such that if you have to go into the city, you are at the helm of the majority of where the lines stop," Wade said.

Astoria

Astoria has become one of Queens' most popular commuter neighborhoods. It is situated just across from Roosevelt Island off Manhattan's Upper East Side.

Close to Manhattan via the N and R (10 to 20 minutes to midtown), "It's a straight shoot. As long as it's rush hour, it's a fast commute," said Andrew Pantoja, 29, an Astoria resident who works in publishing. "I've been in Astoria for over three years and I love it. I grew up in Brooklyn in Bensonhurst taking the train for an hour and 15-minute commute."

Brooklyn Heights

Just across the river from Lower Manhattan and south of the Brooklyn Bridge, Brooklyn Heights is a pricier neighborhood, even comparable to Manhattan. But the accessibility (and great city views) makes it a great option for commuters who can afford it.

"There is a huge convenience in the commute. Living there gives you an easy commute to downtown Manhattan and midtown," said Citi Habitats' DelleCave. The Borough Hall/Court Street subway hub connects to the 4, 5, R, 2 and 3, and it takes about 15 minutes on the 4 and 5 to get to midtown.

Other neighborhoods in the boroughs may seem like a deal, but if you need a fast commute, you're out of luck. Some of the worst include:

Clinton Hill

Clinton Hill, a neighborhood in the north-central portion of Brooklyn, prides itself on brownstone-lined streets and historic houses. Additionally, it is home to The Pratt Institute, which attracts students and artists to the nabe.

However, the commute from Clinton Hill is what makes living in the neighborhood difficult. Both the C and G serve the area, but the G can be a frustrating ride.

"The G line is notorious for being inconsistent and unreliable," DelleCave said.

Christiana Theophanopoulos, 21, lives in Clinton Hill and works in advertising in Manhattan. She agrees that commuting around the G can be difficult. "I wish it was a direct train instead of having to switch," she said. "But on weekdays it's OK, I just wish it was faster on the weekends."

Greenwood Heights

Located between Park Slope and Sunset Park, Greenwood Heights gets its name from the famous Greenwood Cemetery, which helps define the neighborhood's borders. It is a good option for residents who are looking for a cheaper option to the pricey surrounding nabes.

Recent real estate development has prospered in the area, and as a result there has been an increase in condominium apartments. These apartments often come equipped with luxury details that are hard to find in other places of the city.
"I've been renting a lot over there but the commute is an issue," DelleCave aid.

Serviced by only the R train and buses despite the benefit of the increased space, quality and lower costs, residents are often left disappointed with the public transportation system.

Park Slope

Park Slope, although popular for its family-friendly feel and beautiful streets, is a longer commute than people would expect.

The G, F and R trains service the Slope, though with few stations in the neighborhood, most apartments are still a hike from the nearest stop.

Jeff Miller of Prudential says that he has had clients rule out Park Slope because of the commute.

"They thought it was too complicated of a commute," he explains.

Joseph Lagrasta, who moved to Park Slope to suit the needs of his growing family, has no complaints about the commute.
"The F is right outside of my apartment building," he said.
But despite the easy access, Lagrasta says the F line can sometimes be unreliable and his commute takes upward of 45 minutes to his job in midtown.

Red Hook

Red Hook, located in west Brooklyn, is the only section of New York City that has full frontal views of the Statue of Liberty.
However, this view comes at a price. Subway service in the area is sparse, and so most residents travel by bus. Water ferry service is also available between IKEA and Pier 11 in Lower Manhattan. But no matter how you would choose to go, commutes are at least half an hour to midtown.

"It's not a good commute. There's nothing nearby and you have a long walk to the subway. It's a huge inconvenience," DelleCave said.

Dyker Heights

A residential neighborhood in the southwest corner of Brooklyn, Dyker Heights is notorious for its lengthy commute into the city.

With the only options being the bus or traveling to nearby Bay Ridge for the R train, commuters can expect a long daily trip to Manhattan.

"That's impossible. It's a terrible commute of about an hour," DelleCave said.

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Something I have noticed about the way people talk about their commutes:

In Brooklyn / Queens / Manhattan (south of Washington Heights), people tend to accurately estimate travel time from door to door.

In Jersey City / Hoboken, northern Manhattan, people tend to estimate their travel time from door to where the train lets them off in Manhattan.

In suburban New Jersey / suburban Long Island, people tend to estimate their travel time from when they get on the train to when they get to Penn Station. Hoboken transfers to the PATH usually estimate the time as when the PATH lets them out in Manhattan.

The result is that when someone says their commute is 30 minutes, person in Brooklyn means 30 minutes, a person in Jersey City means 40 minutes and a person in the suburbs means 55 minutes.


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If you work in downtown Manhattan, there is no better place to commute from than JC. It's a ridiculously short commute, with the added benefit of PATH trains that run every 10 - 15 minutes. When we were looking to buy, we looked in all the burbs (including Maplewood), but the commute to WTC area is just not that great. You also then have to deal with NJ transit train schedules. If you work a job were your hours are fluid and sometimes you have to work late, this really becomes a quality of life issue. For us, the amazingly short commute time that JC offered, thus more family time together, was more important than having the white picket fence.

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Another New Jersey community desperately crying "We're just like Brooklyn, see?"

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Something I have noticed about the way people talk about their commutes:

In Brooklyn / Queens / Manhattan (south of Washington Heights), people tend to accurately estimate travel time from door to door.

In Jersey City / Hoboken, northern Manhattan, people tend to estimate their travel time from door to where the train lets them off in Manhattan.

In suburban New Jersey / suburban Long Island, people tend to estimate their travel time from when they get on the train to when they get to Penn Station. Hoboken transfers to the PATH usually estimate the time as when the PATH lets them out in Manhattan.

The result is that when someone says their commute is 30 minutes, person in Brooklyn means 30 minutes, a person in Jersey City means 40 minutes and a person in the suburbs means 55 minutes.

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If I had kids I'd look there before even considering any place else. I'm surprised it's taken this long to get noticed.


In talking with my mother recently about the area I found out she actually went to a Catholic elementary school in Maplewood and would walk there from the family farm in Union. My grandfather who died in 2002 also spent some of his childhood moving back/forth between Maplewood/Irvington/Newark. I think this history must have contributed to my initial attraction to the town when I first happened to visit it 2 years ago.

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Actually, I took the express train there after work the other day from NY Penn Station and it was exactly 45 min. Awesome town, had a great time.

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I think if I was going to move to the burbs -- I would move to Princeton. Only 45min away too...


45 minutes from what? Edison? Don't get me wrong, I like Princeton a lot and would live there in a heartbeat but even at 6am on a Sunday morning (which I have done quite a few times) it's almost an exactly hour drive. And that's from JC - not the city. When you do it on a weekday during commuting hours, Rte. 1 is awful.


Do you work in Penn Station or in extreme close proximity to it? Not to belabor the point, but if you spent time getting to Penn Station (and time getting from the train into Princeton) - that counts too. Princeton is a great town! Fantastic restaurants, great culture, beautiful surroundings, high concentration of well-educated people (not to mention being the first and only town in NJ to embrace municipal consolidation - something that is waaaaaaaayyyyy overdue around the state.)

But if it were 45 minutes door to door from Princeton to the office in Manhattan, Princeton would either be ten times the size it is now or homes would start at $4 million.

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I don't know if it's otherwise inexplicable. Aside from the commuting amazingness, some people like urban, walkable living over suburbs with large yards to mow. These types of people are increasing, too. Not to mention the general blandness of the suburbs....


I think that is the appeal to me of a place like Maplewood as it seems "walkable", a decent commute, a downtown with a movie theater, a few eating options, etc . I have never lived in a suburban place and definitely will stay away from something "bland" like some of the Bergen county towns I have driven through.



Maplewood is easily one of the most appealing suburbs, specifically for its unsuburban feel: Small yards, streets with sidewalks, very few McMansions, an accessible downtown, multi-ethnic population. It's one of those places that seems to have a lemonaide stand on every corner. If I had kids I'd look there before even considering any place else. I'm surprised it's taken this long to get noticed.

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Actually, I took the express train there after work the other day from NY Penn Station and it was exactly 45 min. Awesome town, had a great time.

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45 minutes from what? Edison? Don't get me wrong, I like Princeton a lot and would live there in a heartbeat but even at 6am on a Sunday morning (which I have done quite a few times) it's almost an exactly hour drive. And that's from JC - not the city. When you do it on a weekday during commuting hours, Rte. 1 is awful.

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Maplewood has a lot going for it; terrific restaurants (including the parent of Razza, Arturo's), decent bars, access to the South Mountain Reservation, great Manhattan commute.

The theater is a dump, there was a 'mouse in the popcorn machine' story where they removed the mouse and kept filling the containers . . .

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I don't know if it's otherwise inexplicable. Aside from the commuting amazingness, some people like urban, walkable living over suburbs with large yards to mow. These types of people are increasing, too. Not to mention the general blandness of the suburbs....


I think that is the appeal to me of a place like Maplewood as it seems "walkable", a decent commute, a downtown with a movie theater, a few eating options, etc . I have never lived in a suburban place and definitely will stay away from something "bland" like some of the Bergen county towns I have driven through.




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OK -- it is closer to an hour -- but so is Park Slope many days.


It's an hour in basically the middle of the night. This is the myth about distant suburbs. Ask someone who commutes from Morristown, for instance, how long their commute is. They'll tell you "an hour" because the direct, rush hour train from Morristown to NY Penn is an 62 minutes. But no one lives at the train station in Morristown - I've looked. There is probably a fifteen minute drive/park situation on one end and then a similar (or longer) commute to the office once you arrive at Penn Station.

That "hour commute" is likely at least an hour and a half - times two each day. Same for Princeton - that's 3 hours-plus each day in R/T commuting. From the time I lock my front door until the time my butt hits the seat at a lower Manhattan office is 30 to 35 minutes. That's a real difference and explains why so many more people would (otherwise inexplicably) live in Jersey City rather than Princeton.


This. EXACTLY. So often I hear people claiming one hour commutes when what they really mean is that the bus/train they take is one hour long. Or, like the people in the Poconos that claim they have a 90-minute commute. I knew a guy who made that blunder. Moved out there, and a year later was looking to move back. The EXPRESS bus is 90 minutes, but once he got off the bus, he had another 15 minutes in either end to complete his trip. It was a 2 hour commute each way, each day. That's 20 hours per week! And, that assumes nothing goes wrong during that long commute.

In terms of total commuting time, few places rival JC! Even many of my friends in BK have longer commutes.

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Google "Princeton to Manhattan" and look at the map that pops up for driving options. The three listed (including Rte. 1 and the TPK range between 1:32 and 1:36.) And you are already starting to hedge with "dinky train" - which is my point: the 57 or whatever train ride is only one piece of the overall commuting pie. Door to door, if you live in Princeton and work in Manhattan, you are probably looking at an hour and 45 minutes door to door, if not more, depending on where your office is.

I agree more and more people like urban, walkable living - I do too. I just think there are a lot better places to find it than Jersey City, given all of the crap that goes with living here as well. In fact, you could live in the village of Princeton and have a walkable existence and a consistently good menu of cultural offerings of a caliber JC doesn't have. (Not counting going into the city - you could do that if you lived in Princeton, too - just by staying around after work.)

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From the Princeton Junction Train Station to NYC there are many trains under an hour. It Helps if you are on the West Windsor Plainsboro side of Route 1 -- but there is also the Dinky Train for a $1 to PU.

Lots of commuter buses too -- and the Turnpike is almost always very fast.

Here are the trains (click to enlarge)


I commute to Princeton for work, in the morning it takes an hour an a half, PATH train to Newark Penn station> NJT> Princeton Junction. The evening commute is slightly over an hour, Princeton Junction express to Newark Penn Station is 39 minutes the PATH train is across the platform and is waiting for the express to arrive as soon as I get on the PATH train the doors close and it leaves for JC.

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45 minutes from what?


OK -- it is closer to an hour -- but so is Park Slope many days.


It's an hour in basically the middle of the night. This is the myth about distant suburbs. Ask someone who commutes from Morristown, for instance, how long their commute is. They'll tell you "an hour" because the direct, rush hour train from Morristown to NY Penn is an 62 minutes. But no one lives at the train station in Morristown - I've looked. There is probably a fifteen minute drive/park situation on one end and then a similar (or longer) commute to the office once you arrive at Penn Station.

That "hour commute" is likely at least an hour and a half - times two each day. Same for Princeton - that's 3 hours-plus each day in R/T commuting. From the time I lock my front door until the time my butt hits the seat at a lower Manhattan office is 30 to 35 minutes. That's a real difference and explains why so many more people would (otherwise inexplicably) live in Jersey City rather than Princeton.


I don't know if it's otherwise inexplicable. Aside from the commuting amazingness, some people like urban, walkable living over suburbs with large yards to mow. These types of people are increasing, too. Not to mention the general blandness of the suburbs....

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