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I said I was going to Edgewater. It's too bad people are "stumped as to what you would need to go there for." I was going for some "oddball" ethnic food that I was raised on


You actually said, and I quote: "I had to go to Whole Foods and Trader Joe's in Edgewater Saturday. "

New question, what traditional ethnic foods do the TJ's and WF's in edgewater sell that you can't get here? I'm always down for trying something I may not have tried before.


this has grown tiresome.


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Seriously. The one thing I feel like downtown is missing is a fresh seafood place, but I have bought seafood from Shop Rite, La Conga and Key Food and haven't died. I don't understand this fucking need for a TJ'S or WF's here. All grocery stores suck as does food shopping and doing laundry. Christ. Also I hate, HATE Prato because of this thread, never been there but don't care. It's not near me so who fucking cares. My god, when you get caught doing something you shouldn't you get punished. Prato has people clamoring for them, if this was a Puerto Rican coffee shop half you would be outside with brooms and burning shit. Ughhhhhhhhh its jersey city you assholes, not smoke rise or Franklin Lakes

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I said I was going to Edgewater. It's too bad people are "stumped as to what you would need to go there for." I was going for some "oddball" ethnic food that I was raised on


You actually said, and I quote: "I had to go to Whole Foods and Trader Joe's in Edgewater Saturday. "

New question, what traditional ethnic foods do the TJ's and WF's in edgewater sell that you can't get here? I'm always down for trying something I may not have tried before.


this has grown tiresome.


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I said I was going to Edgewater. It's too bad people are "stumped as to what you would need to go there for." I was going for some "oddball" ethnic food that I was raised on


You actually said, and I quote: "I had to go to Whole Foods and Trader Joe's in Edgewater Saturday. "

New question, what traditional ethnic foods do the TJ's and WF's in edgewater sell that you can't get here? I'm always down for trying something I may not have tried before.


this has grown tiresome.

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right, so we've established that you hate money, can't communicate your thoughts properly and hate it when people use your own words to ask questions regarding said words.

duly noted.

Too bad you don't like hearing what other people have to say and think it makes you look superior to try and belittle others. You started personal attacks because you didn't like what I said. The fact is I don't have to answer any of your questions. I don't owe YOU any further explanation. You are a known bully and I refuse to be bullied by you.
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right, so we've established that you hate money, can't communicate your thoughts properly and hate it when people use your own words to ask questions regarding said words.

duly noted.

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I said I was going to Edgewater. It's too bad people are "stumped as to what you would need to go there for." I was going for some "oddball" ethnic food that I was raised on


You actually said, and I quote: "I had to go to Whole Foods and Trader Joe's in Edgewater Saturday. "

New question, what traditional ethnic foods do the TJ's and WF's in edgewater sell that you can't get here? I'm always down for trying something I may not have tried before.


Enough already corybraiterman. You seem to be rather intrusive as well as being a bully.

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I said I was going to Edgewater. It's too bad people are "stumped as to what you would need to go there for." I was going for some "oddball" ethnic food that I was raised on


You actually said, and I quote: "I had to go to Whole Foods and Trader Joe's in Edgewater Saturday. "

New question, what traditional ethnic foods do the TJ's and WF's in edgewater sell that you can't get here? I'm always down for trying something I may not have tried before.

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Maloney's is an excellent butcher up the hill on Newark Ave.

Truglio's is Hoboken is also top notch.

No need to go to out of your way to overpriced mediocre butchers in Manhattan

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unless you REALLY want some oddball particular vegetable or fish (the last one is kind of a bummer, since a good fish market would be more than welcome), i'm honestly stumped as to what you would need to go there for.

are you one of those suckers that buys organic everything? do you detest all the poor minority people that go to shoprite? do you just hate money?


Personally, I would rather go to an actual butcher shop, but since all the good ones in NYC close at like 6pm, I tended to rely on Whole Foods for decent, yet overpriced, dry aged steaks and the like. There's really nowhere around to buy good meat, which kinda sucks. I wonder how good Carrino's beef is.


Check out the meat and fish at Le District next to the Palm Court at Brookfield Place (ne' World Financial Center). I've been pleased with what I've gotten there.


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What are you jumping on the attack wagon for?

lol... My post is pretty mild, especially by JC List standards. ;)

Most of my post is asking for clarifications for what seem to be, well, unjustified expectations. Not to mention it was you who characterized ShopRite as "damned annoying," for the crime of... being an ordinary supermarket.

My question was not "why do you shop at Trader Joe's and Whole Foods"? Rather, the questions and observations are...

• The grocery options in DTJC are perfectly typical, and not much different than what you get in most big cities and affluent suburbs. E.g. there are only 2 Trader Joe's in Manhattan, 1 Trader Joe's in all of Brooklyn, and 1 in Queens; the populations of those boroughs are an order of magnitude larger than all of JC. There's only a handful of Whole Foods in northern NJ.

So, what does DTJC lack, that is presumably so common that its absence is inexcusable? If the answer is a handful of unspecified ethnic foods, that hardly seems like an indication of a woeful shortcoming.


• What type of shops are in Hoboken (which is more affluent, and gentrified longer than DTJC) that are not in DTJC? Or were you just mesmerized by your first exposure to Washington? (Those of us who have lived in Hoboken are slightly less mesmerized... and know it's a handful of shops, btw.)

By the way, does Hoboken have the same Indian grocery shops and stores as up on Newark Avenue? Does Bayonne or Edgewater have anything like that? Does Hoboken have a big Cuban community like Union City? Does midtown Manhattan have a Mitsuwa?


• Yet again, DTJC is adding retail; and Hoboken has added a ton of residential without adding much retail (or parking). Those of us who've lived in the area for awhile know this.

I don't think I missed any part of what you were saying. I just don't think your opinions make a lot of sense and/or don't seem to be well informed.

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All I was saying is we need more choices.

OK then. What, exactly, do you need?

Hoboken doesn't have a Whole Foods, or Trader Joe's, or Target, or Staples, or Home Depot.

Hoboken isn't sitting right next to a suburban-style mall.

You do realize that many new residential buildings that are built in DTJC do, in fact, have ground floor retail?

You do know that over the years, Hoboken has built numerous residential towers and complexes, without adding retail?

Does Hoboken actually have more retail per capita than DTJC?

DTJC has a similar variety of retail establishments as Hoboken -- restaurants, groceries, clothing stores, bookstores, bike shop, etc -- and given how badly brick & mortar shops are getting slaughtered these days, that's not too shabby.

ShopRite is a typical NJ supermarket. Key Foods is smaller but still has a pretty good variety of foods, including fresh veggies and fruit. There's a bunch of smaller groceries, including La Conga. What, exactly, are these shops missing that you find so distressing?


What are you jumping on the attack wagon for? I said I was going to Edgewater. It's too bad people are "stumped as to what you would need to go there for." I was going for some "oddball" ethnic food that I was raised on which I can't get in either JC or Hoboken. I don't find anything to be "distressing". I know where to go to find my "oddball" ethnic food since it can't be found in JC. Thank you both for missing the point of what I was saying.

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unless you REALLY want some oddball particular vegetable or fish (the last one is kind of a bummer, since a good fish market would be more than welcome), i'm honestly stumped as to what you would need to go there for.

are you one of those suckers that buys organic everything? do you detest all the poor minority people that go to shoprite? do you just hate money?


Personally, I would rather go to an actual butcher shop, but since all the good ones in NYC close at like 6pm, I tended to rely on Whole Foods for decent, yet overpriced, dry aged steaks and the like. There's really nowhere around to buy good meat, which kinda sucks. I wonder how good Carrino's beef is.


Yea, butchers tend to close early, Moloneys closes at 6, too. Can't argue that one as well, I suppose. Doesn't seem to be the reason with owlie, either, but "butcher" isn't a bad answer.

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#1. I do not buy everything organic

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#2. What minorities are you referring to that go to shoprite? ( I go to shoprite as well; perhaps that simply annoys you since, for all you know I could be one of the minorities YOU detest?)

You have apparently never read any of the multitude of SR threads on here where detractors mention the "people who shop there" as a reason they never shop there. You would also have noted from my post that I got to SR all the time, and silly on me for assuming you'd read those threads, but I defend SR from the people who dislike it and "the people who shop there". Since you HAD to go all the way up to edgewater for your precious groceries, and have stated it isn't for the all organic BS, and either a) got so overly offended by the insinuation that you're one of the constant whiners about "those people who go to shoprite" or b) actually believe that, then the answer is clearly the third choice I put in.

You hate money. Consider shipping some my way next time if you just want to light it on fire, I'll use it for good.


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unless you REALLY want some oddball particular vegetable or fish (the last one is kind of a bummer, since a good fish market would be more than welcome), i'm honestly stumped as to what you would need to go there for.

are you one of those suckers that buys organic everything? do you detest all the poor minority people that go to shoprite? do you just hate money?


Personally, I would rather go to an actual butcher shop, but since all the good ones in NYC close at like 6pm, I tended to rely on Whole Foods for decent, yet overpriced, dry aged steaks and the like. There's really nowhere around to buy good meat, which kinda sucks. I wonder how good Carrino's beef is.

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All I was saying is we need more choices.

OK then. What, exactly, do you need?

Hoboken doesn't have a Whole Foods, or Trader Joe's, or Target, or Staples, or Home Depot.

Hoboken isn't sitting right next to a suburban-style mall.

You do realize that many new residential buildings that are built in DTJC do, in fact, have ground floor retail?

You do know that over the years, Hoboken has built numerous residential towers and complexes, without adding retail?

Does Hoboken actually have more retail per capita than DTJC?

DTJC has a similar variety of retail establishments as Hoboken -- restaurants, groceries, clothing stores, bookstores, bike shop, etc -- and given how badly brick & mortar shops are getting slaughtered these days, that's not too shabby.

ShopRite is a typical NJ supermarket. Key Foods is smaller but still has a pretty good variety of foods, including fresh veggies and fruit. There's a bunch of smaller groceries, including La Conga. What, exactly, are these shops missing that you find so distressing?

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LOL @ you corybraiterman.
"are you one of those suckers that buys organic everything? do you detest all the poor minority people that go to shoprite?

REALLY? To answer some of your ridiculous questions:
#1. I do not buy everything organic
#2. What minorities are you referring to that go to shoprite? ( I go to shoprite as well; perhaps that simply annoys you since, for all you know I could be one of the minorities YOU detest?) Every time you point out a falsehood about someone else, it says something about what your real motives are.

All I was saying is we need more choices.
All you are saying is what you always say...and it's never good or positive or uplifting. You like to attack people for having different points of view.
I want more choices for everyone.

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For me, one of the biggest problems in JC is that it is definitely lacking in stores and amenities. I had to go to Whole Foods and Trader Joe's in Edgewater Saturday. While driving there, I am always amazed that we are so close in proximity to Hoboken where there are SO many places to shop, dine, drink and play. All we do in Jersey City is to continue to build high-rise apartments without providing new stores to accommodate all the new residents. It's damn annoying that I have to go elsewhere to shop because Shop-rite is not big enough for all of Jersey City. The city should be offering tax incentives to attract businesses which would enhance this city. I think every new building that gets approved should provide retail space on the first floor. (end of rant).


OK what's in Hoboken ?


clothing boutiques, housewares, shoe stores, eyeglass shops, baby stuff, running gear, a pretty sizable health food store, gourmet supermarket, antique stores, jewelers, a print shop....

that's just off the top of my head.

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For me, one of the biggest problems in JC is that it is definitely lacking in stores and amenities. I had to go to Whole Foods and Trader Joe's in Edgewater Saturday. While driving there, I am always amazed that we are so close in proximity to Hoboken where there are SO many places to shop, dine, drink and play. All we do in Jersey City is to continue to build high-rise apartments without providing new stores to accommodate all the new residents. It's damn annoying that I have to go elsewhere to shop because Shop-rite is not big enough for all of Jersey City. The city should be offering tax incentives to attract businesses which would enhance this city. I think every new building that gets approved should provide retail space on the first floor. (end of rant).


OK what's in Hoboken ?

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The cafe ordinance was approved. It's a start.

And shopping a whole foods instead of shop rite implies you're a racist that hates minorities, wait what?! Jersey City is one of the most diverse communities in the country.


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the amount of times i've wanted to go shopping at whole foods over shoprite or the local markets... i can count them on one hand and have fingers left over. hell, given the quality of delivery options, there's even less of a reason

unless you REALLY want some oddball particular vegetable or fish (the last one is kind of a bummer, since a good fish market would be more than welcome), i'm honestly stumped as to what you would need to go there for.

are you one of those suckers that buys organic everything? do you detest all the poor minority people that go to shoprite? do you just hate money?

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For me, one of the biggest problems in JC is that it is definitely lacking in stores and amenities. I had to go to Whole Foods and Trader Joe's in Edgewater Saturday. While driving there, I am always amazed that we are so close in proximity to Hoboken where there are SO many places to shop, dine, drink and play. All we do in Jersey City is to continue to build high-rise apartments without providing new stores to accommodate all the new residents. It's damn annoying that I have to go elsewhere to shop because Shop-rite is not big enough for all of Jersey City. The city should be offering tax incentives to attract businesses which would enhance this city. I think every new building that gets approved should provide retail space on the first floor. (end of rant).

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This assumes that people have done more work on their home than on the record. People of course would be infuriated at this assumption but it could be easily disproved through inspection. I agree that it is questionable but carrots are sometimes better than sticks. If you have an alternative to ensure 100% compliance please volunteer.

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One way to ensure compliance would be to double the estimate of number of utilities in a house/condo by default prior to the inspection.


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Nice but I truly believe in Chilltown now and a town that measures to its ideals.

The reval was cancelled. The process was flawed. We can restart another one as long as the process is specific, measurable and verifiable. One way to ensure compliance would be to double the estimate of number of utilities in a house/condo by default prior to the inspection. The owner would have all incentive to show their place within 6 months-1 year time. For the record I also live downtown but I believe in truly fair and balanced taxation.

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Maybe you should have just paid the guy. If you don't, the government will legally go after you and it will just cost more.

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I am actually one of the few who allowed their house/apart to be inspected during the reval. I can certify that: 1) the "inspector" used a pencil to check/write on the form; 2) the "inspector" did not measure square footage for my property either as room(s) or as a whole; 3) the "inspector" had a gaze suggesting that "facilitating" the process would actually help my cause; 4) I did not provide an envelop. I am available to testify on this under oath.

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I'm curious how you folks feel about illegal dwelling units. Thousands of houses in this town are zoned for one family, but may contain 2 or 3 units. It's a much bigger infraction than Prato and its patio furniture but the city knows there are a lot of families that would be homeless if they shut them down en mass. Any renters want to admit that they live in an illegal dwelling?


I know my dwelling is legal but what does this have to do with Prato anyway? Other people violating the law gives Prato the right to do it too?

As for your other comment about "enjoy the reval", what are you talking about? Didn't Fulop put an end to that?

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There are hundreds of code violations a lot more serious in this town (like the Brothels of Newark Ave...). Prato just had a squeaky neighbor.

That "squeaky neighbor" has every right to make sure Prato is obeying the law.


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They opened a business in a residential neighborhood without bothering to get the right zoning. They have not been shut down, we haven't heard of them paying massive fines, all that's happening is they can't have tables until they get the zoning sorted out. Sounds reasonable.


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They should also be stopped.

What does that have to do with anything? It's not like the city is expending a ton of resources in this matter.


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What is that supposed to mean?

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There are hundreds of code violations a lot more serious in this town (like the still operating Brothels of Newark Ave that our former fire inspector was accused of accepting bribes from, per the federal indictment...). Prato just had a squeaky neighbor. The remedy should be as serious as a parking ticket. Pay a fine. Followed by applying and receiving a minor variance.

I'm curious how you folks feel about illegal dwelling units. Thousands of houses in this town are zoned for one family, but may contain 2 or 3 units. It's a much bigger infraction than Prato and its patio furniture but the city knows there are a lot of families that would be homeless if they shut them down en mass. Any renters want to admit that they live in an illegal dwelling? If you dislike your landlord, I know a way to get him in a lot of trouble but you may lose your below market rental...

To the neighbor's of Prato, enjoy the reval.


Actually, the reval data would be an excellent way to uncover illegal units - matching up the number of kitchens in a building with the number of units on the books, would be a start.

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