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well, pot is legal in the netherlands and uruguay and no major problems...wait, it's legal in colorado too. aren't there other states/provinces in north america where it is legal and there have been no problems.


Greetings from lovely Oregon, where you can walk into a tasteful marijuana Boutique with jars of bud lining the walls and glass counters filled with next level stuff, and have a "customer care specialist" spend time telling you all about the nuances of the various flower and concentrate products. The names of these are a riot. The sky has not fallen here, nor is it Reefer Madness incarnate. JC could really do to take the edge off and be a little more like Oregon. Chilltown indeed.


And how do they enforce safe driving laws? The honor system?

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well, pot is legal in the netherlands and uruguay and no major problems...wait, it's legal in colorado too. aren't there other states/provinces in north america where it is legal and there have been no problems.


Greetings from lovely Oregon, where you can walk into a tasteful marijuana Boutique with jars of bud lining the walls and glass counters filled with next level stuff, and have a "customer care specialist" spend time telling you all about the nuances of the various flower and concentrate products. The names of these are a riot. The sky has not fallen here, nor is it Reefer Madness incarnate. JC could really do to take the edge off and be a little more like Oregon. Chilltown indeed.

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speaking about pot, what's up with those weedworldcandies trucks that i keep seeing in manhattan. any one try it?

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well, pot is legal in the netherlands and uruguay and no major problems...wait, it's legal in colorado too. aren't there other states/provinces in north america where it is legal and there have been no problems. Quote:

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Curious which healthcare system the woman in the story was using .... does her comment about knowing the RCA of her chronic illness and her acceptance of violent physical reactions to continued usage indicate some sort of dependency or addiction?

http://www.kunc.org/post/rare-and-mys ... inked-heavy-marijuana-use


I sincerely hope you spend this much time feigning concern for the hundreds of thousands of people with opiate addictions due to pharmaceutical companies. Ya need a new hobby buddy.


Gezzz another pointless response from you... thanks for playing though!

Have a Happy New Year! I know this 2017 has been rough on you.


Actually my point was clearly stated....opiates are a far bigger problem and the cause for it can clearly be traced back pharmaceutical companies giving them out like candy while paying off everyone in DC. But for some strange reason you seem desperate to find something wrong with legalizing a substance that has never killed anyone or caused a heroin epidemic and can be used medicinally?

....But why read and think critically when you can just deflect once facts and common sense are introduced? You’re not here for discussion you’re just here for attention :)


Are you that self absorbed to think that I am here for your attention? All I did was post a news story link that appears to show that long term usage of cannabis may not be as benign as portrayed by legalization proponents.

What was amazing in the story was the medical teams trying to identify the source of this lady's physical ailments overlooked that environmental source. The report went on to say that this reaction is not as isolated as researchers think. The irony is her deciding to live healthy or continue her cannabis usage?

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Curious which healthcare system the woman in the story was using .... does her comment about knowing the RCA of her chronic illness and her acceptance of violent physical reactions to continued usage indicate some sort of dependency or addiction?

http://www.kunc.org/post/rare-and-mys ... inked-heavy-marijuana-use


I sincerely hope you spend this much time feigning concern for the hundreds of thousands of people with opiate addictions due to pharmaceutical companies. Ya need a new hobby buddy.


Gezzz another pointless response from you... thanks for playing though!

Have a Happy New Year! I know this 2017 has been rough on you.


Actually my point was clearly stated....opiates are a far bigger problem and the cause for it can clearly be traced back pharmaceutical companies giving them out like candy while paying off everyone in DC. But for some strange reason you seem desperate to find something wrong with legalizing a substance that has never killed anyone or caused a heroin epidemic and can be used medicinally?

....But why read and think critically when you can just deflect once facts and common sense are introduced? You’re not here for discussion you’re just here for attention :)


Are you that self absorbed to think that I am here for your attention? All I did was post a news story link that appears to show that long term usage of cannabis may not be as benign as portrayed by legalization proponents.

What was amazing in the story was the medical teams trying to identify the source of this lady's physical ailments overlooked that environmental source. The report went on to say that this reaction is not as isolated as researchers think. The irony is her deciding to live healthy or continue her cannabis usage?

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all this weed talk has me thinking about going to amsterdam and having a wicked time. i was looking at air fares to europe and can't believe how low they are on norwegian.



Not only are their fares cheap, but Norwegian also flies brand new 787s in their transatlantic routes. The legacy carriers are so afraid of them, that they actively and openly petitioned the FAA to try and block them from being able to get operational slots in the major airports.

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Curious which healthcare system the woman in the story was using .... does her comment about knowing the RCA of her chronic illness and her acceptance of violent physical reactions to continued usage indicate some sort of dependency or addiction?

http://www.kunc.org/post/rare-and-mys ... inked-heavy-marijuana-use


I sincerely hope you spend this much time feigning concern for the hundreds of thousands of people with opiate addictions due to pharmaceutical companies. Ya need a new hobby buddy.


Gezzz another pointless response from you... thanks for playing though!

Have a Happy New Year! I know this 2017 has been rough on you.


Actually my point was clearly stated....opiates are a far bigger problem and the cause for it can clearly be traced back pharmaceutical companies giving them out like candy while paying off everyone in DC. But for some strange reason you seem desperate to find something wrong with legalizing a substance that has never killed anyone or caused a heroin epidemic and can be used medicinally?

....But why read and think critically when you can just deflect once facts and common sense are introduced? You’re not here for discussion you’re just here for attention :)

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Curious which healthcare system the woman in the story was using .... does her comment about knowing the RCA of her chronic illness and her acceptance of violent physical reactions to continued usage indicate some sort of dependency or addiction?

http://www.kunc.org/post/rare-and-mys ... inked-heavy-marijuana-use


Man the conservatives really got you under their thumb huh? I sincerely hope you spend this much time feigning concern for the hundreds of thousands of people with opiate addictions due to pharmaceutical companies (you know- the companies plenty of officials looooove to take money from while pretending they have no idea how this epidemic came to be). Priorities dude.


Nothing to do with politics... it is a public health policy issue that will have some effect on Jersey City depending how the new bill is crafted. Only a couple weeks till Gov. Murphy and he promised 90 Day signature.

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all this weed talk has me thinking about going to amsterdam and having a wicked time. i was looking at air fares to europe and can't believe how low they are on norwegian.


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Curious which healthcare system the woman in the story was using .... does her comment about knowing the RCA of her chronic illness and her acceptance of violent physical reactions to continued usage indicate some sort of dependency or addiction?

http://www.kunc.org/post/rare-and-mys ... inked-heavy-marijuana-use


I sincerely hope you spend this much time feigning concern for the hundreds of thousands of people with opiate addictions due to pharmaceutical companies. Ya need a new hobby buddy.


Gezzz another pointless response from you... thanks for playing though!

Have a Happy New Year! I know this 2017 has been rough on you.

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Curious which healthcare system the woman in the story was using .... does her comment about knowing the RCA of her chronic illness and her acceptance of violent physical reactions to continued usage indicate some sort of dependency or addiction?

http://www.kunc.org/post/rare-and-mys ... inked-heavy-marijuana-use


Man the conservatives really got you under their thumb huh? I sincerely hope you spend this much time feigning concern for the hundreds of thousands of people with opiate addictions due to pharmaceutical companies (you know- the companies plenty of officials looooove to take money from while pretending they have no idea how this epidemic came to be). Priorities dude.

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Curious which healthcare system the woman in the story was using .... does her comment about knowing the RCA of her chronic illness and her acceptance of violent physical reactions to continued usage indicate some sort of dependency or addiction?

http://www.kunc.org/post/rare-and-mys ... inked-heavy-marijuana-use

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Tax the shit and be done with it.


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You are obsessed with my posts...

No, I'm merely responding to them. That's normal behavior in these types of conversations.

I see no reason for further discussion with you on the topic. Have a nice night.

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I did get the part right where you were offended for being called a toolbag by some other reader after you called me a provocative dolt.


I was more amused than offended. At least you are participating here and have an opinion that you're willing to defend. Whoever that was, was only interested in throwing a rock at me. Probably a sock puppet.

Apocalyptic nonsense predictions are just that. I truly wish the archives here weren't dumped so I can link back to all the posts predicting traffic apocalypse from the construction of the Home Depot by the tunnel. It was classic!

The sky hasn't fallen in any of the states that have had fully legal weed or ones like California where it might as well have been for years now given how lax the medical "requirements" were. And the more states that legalize the less effect "weed tourism" will have.

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All I am doing is asking for information and posing some hypothetical scenarios to understand the issue more clearly.


Nah, you're being a deliberate & provocative idiot. You haven't bothered to look at the NJ proposals nor ANY of the other states that have legalized already. Not one allows under 21, just like alcohol & tobacco.



Your quote earlier but I ignored, but now I have to ask... and not to provoke you and kill your buzz man!

"In addition, marijuana is very different than other drugs. Unlike opiates or stimulants or alcohol, it is not habit forming. You can't overdose from marijuana. You can't die from the effects of marijuana. Marijuana does not cause acute toxicity. Evidence does not show that marijuana smoke is carcinogenic. It's not completely harmless, but it's substantially less harmful than pretty much every other recreational drug."

LOL With all your bluster "edukating" me on the safety of marijuana, you write that comment? And outside of marijuana and alcohol what other recreational drugs do you see useful to society? Why should I look to other sources of information when you are such an authority? I will just take your word.

I know to many questions from a provocative idiot. Say that wasn't an ad hominem attack was it?


Don't know who you're quoting there but it wasn't me, not that I don't agree with it. I think it's fair to call you a provocative idiot when you choose to be alarmist about minors buying, ignoring all precedents both for already legal drugs in New Jersey like tobacco & alcohol and states where weed has been legalized. There's absolutely no reason to think that that legal marijuana in New Jersey would be sold to those under 21.

People traveling to partake of recreational illegal in their home state is just artifact of that illegality. No one traveled to Canada for booze once we repealed prohibition.

Its funny, in the southern Oregon town of Ashland the only liquor store closes at like 6 so the college kids there have to drive an hour over the Siskiyou pass to California to get liquor after those hours. But the weed dispensaries are open till 8!



Oh... my error about the quote, it was from Dolimiti. It doesn't matter you agree. Not sure what the point of your Oregon story is... we still have Bergen County Blue laws.

I did get the part right where you were offended for being called a toolbag by some other reader after you called me a provocative dolt.

Apparently you missed (or refused to acknowledge) my link to Mulshine piece about legalization in the Star Ledger today. A opinion piece that got some readers in the same tizzy as you and Dolimiti.

I thought it was great! Bring the first wave of decriminalization access to Atlantic City and make AC the gateway city for legal gambling and marijuana usage. Brilliant satirical piece that nailed many of my concerns.

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All I am doing is asking for information and posing some hypothetical scenarios to understand the issue more clearly.


Nah, you're being a deliberate & provocative idiot. You haven't bothered to look at the NJ proposals nor ANY of the other states that have legalized already. Not one allows under 21, just like alcohol & tobacco.



Your quote earlier but I ignored, but now I have to ask... and not to provoke you and kill your buzz man!

"In addition, marijuana is very different than other drugs. Unlike opiates or stimulants or alcohol, it is not habit forming. You can't overdose from marijuana. You can't die from the effects of marijuana. Marijuana does not cause acute toxicity. Evidence does not show that marijuana smoke is carcinogenic. It's not completely harmless, but it's substantially less harmful than pretty much every other recreational drug."

LOL With all your bluster "edukating" me on the safety of marijuana, you write that comment? And outside of marijuana and alcohol what other recreational drugs do you see useful to society? Why should I look to other sources of information when you are such an authority? I will just take your word.

I know to many questions from a provocative idiot. Say that wasn't an ad hominem attack was it?


Don't know who you're quoting there but it wasn't me, not that I don't agree with it. I think it's fair to call you a provocative idiot when you choose to be alarmist about minors buying, ignoring all precedents both for already legal drugs in New Jersey like tobacco & alcohol and states where weed has been legalized. There's absolutely no reason to think that that legal marijuana in New Jersey would be sold to those under 21.

People traveling to partake of recreational illegal in their home state is just artifact of that illegality. No one traveled to Canada for booze once we repealed prohibition.

Its funny, in the southern Oregon town of Ashland the only liquor store closes at like 6 so the college kids there have to drive an hour over the Siskiyou pass to California to get liquor after those hours. But the weed dispensaries are open till 8!

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@ Brewster

Seems like there is still time to discuss this issue reasonably... I haven't "picked a lane" yet but the comment about what has happened to Colorado since legalization was interesting. Attracting an undesirable element is one of the arguments used to kill building the casino outside of LSP.

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2 ... mu.html#incart_river_home

Enjoy your ride to AC. A stroll on the boardwalk is wonderful experience after midnight.





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All I am doing is asking for information and posing some hypothetical scenarios to understand the issue more clearly.


Nah, you're being a deliberate & provocative idiot. You haven't bothered to look at the NJ proposals nor ANY of the other states that have legalized already. Not one allows under 21, just like alcohol & tobacco.



Your quote earlier but I ignored, but now I have to ask... and not to provoke you and kill your buzz man!

"In addition, marijuana is very different than other drugs. Unlike opiates or stimulants or alcohol, it is not habit forming. You can't overdose from marijuana. You can't die from the effects of marijuana. Marijuana does not cause acute toxicity. Evidence does not show that marijuana smoke is carcinogenic. It's not completely harmless, but it's substantially less harmful than pretty much every other recreational drug."

LOL With all your bluster "edukating" me on the safety of marijuana, you write that comment? And outside of marijuana and alcohol what other recreational drugs do you see useful to society? Why should I look to other sources of information when you are such an authority? I will just take your word.

I know to many questions from a provocative idiot. Say that wasn't an ad hominem attack was it?







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She was explaining that consuming marijuana allows a woman to awaken her “yoni,” a Sanskrit term for vagina favored by Hollywood bohemians.



Well needed with some of the uptight bitchez around here!

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We have restaurant row for Newark ave next we need Cannabis row for JSQ.

Downtown can have the food and alcohol while JSQ can have the weed and entertainment. Wouldn't it be great to have comedy clubs, billiards, arcades, concerts (Loews Theater), indoor skydiving, wave runners, trampoline parks, laser tag etc all in one place?

Jersey City needs to take advantage of this and set it up to bring in the tourist from NYC and the burbs that would flock to something like that before NYC speeds the process up to do the same once they see how successful it is and how much money they are losing out on.


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This is way off topic but I can't take it anymore. Brewster! you sound like such a tool bag. You definitely got picked on your whole life.


NICE!!! 3rd post is an all-in ad hominem attack. Welcome neighbor!

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This is way off topic but I can't take it anymore. Brewster! you sound like such a tool bag. You definitely got picked on your whole life.

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Nah, you're being a deliberate & provocative idiot. You haven't bothered to look at the NJ proposals nor ANY of the other states that have legalized already. Not one allows under 21, just like alcohol & tobacco.

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" Odd, it sounds more like you're fumbling for reasons to oppose legalization. Your reasons seem to change with every post."

Why are my comments odd?

Because... as I said... You're changing your rationale in almost every post.

1st post: Worried about stoned drivers. Then claims that governments want stoned citizens, which are easier to control (a ludicrous claim on numerous counts btw). Accuse state of just wanting tax revenue.

2nd post: Claims the state is jeopardizing citizen health. Accuses legislators of hypocrisy.

3rd post: Conflates marijuana and tobacco. Government is wrong to promote marijuana use.

4th post: Big Tobacco is getting involved!

5th post: Marijuana must cause cancer because it leaves residue on your fingers! Medical use for terminal patients is fine, but do we really want a society of stoners?

6th post: Drags gambling and prostitution into the discussion. Don't want to hear about tax revenues. Kids shouldn't get a criminal record over this stuff. Should we let the government run our lives?

8th post: Think of the children!

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No, as a matter of fact, you haven't said that. You haven't discussed minors at all.

Plus, the law will set the minimum age to 21.


LOL You are obsessed with my posts... now show me where exactly where I wrote that I was opposed to legalization, because that is what is fueling your OCD behavior.

In fact I said that I could understand a reasons to decriminalize. All I am doing is asking for information and posing some hypothetical scenarios to understand the issue more clearly. not sure why that is so threatening or even confusing to you?

At this point, after being accused of being a Trump supporter, being told "the war on drugs" was really a war on Black Americans, and getting a lecture from you about how a democracy works it is probably not worth my while to announce my decision because you would be presumptuous enough to assume you convinced me. I do hope this thread has made other readers smile.

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Doctors prescribed tons of opiate pills turning how many citizens into heroin addicts and some ppl who want to smoke a non processed plant God created (Yvonne) have to act like they're doing something naughty and illegal.

Tax the shit and be done with it.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... _in_jersey_city_cops.html

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" Odd, it sounds more like you're fumbling for reasons to oppose legalization. Your reasons seem to change with every post."

Why are my comments odd?

Because... as I said... You're changing your rationale in almost every post.

1st post: Worried about stoned drivers. Then claims that governments want stoned citizens, which are easier to control (a ludicrous claim on numerous counts btw). Accuse state of just wanting tax revenue.

2nd post: Claims the state is jeopardizing citizen health. Accuses legislators of hypocrisy.

3rd post: Conflates marijuana and tobacco. Government is wrong to promote marijuana use.

4th post: Big Tobacco is getting involved!

5th post: Marijuana must cause cancer because it leaves residue on your fingers! Medical use for terminal patients is fine, but do we really want a society of stoners?

6th post: Drags gambling and prostitution into the discussion. Don't want to hear about tax revenues. Kids shouldn't get a criminal record over this stuff. Should we let the government run our lives?

8th post: Think of the children!

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No, as a matter of fact, you haven't said that. You haven't discussed minors at all.

Plus, the law will set the minimum age to 21.

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I am struggling with the issue of making it not so much legal, but more available, particularly to teenagers.


My relative the social worker says today's teens have easier access to weed than to alcohol. Why? Because since alcohol is legal but restricted to those over 21 there's no bootleggers who will sell to them, but weed is everywhere. Legalization will likely REDUCE teens access, since they will be the only customers for illegal weed and they usually have little money there will be no organized crime structures to provide it to them any more than there's rings to sell them booze.


I have no doubt your social worker relative is correct. But your bring up a good point... will the sales be restricted to 21 or 18 years of age? If it is 18, does a 13,14 or 15 year old really need to go to an illegal source when their older brother or sister can help them out. Does an 18 year old?

As a point of fact when the states dropped alcohol buy age to 18, fatal teen age deaths related to alcohol/car accidents spiked to the point where the Feds forced the legal age back to 21. Teenagers/cars/texting and now some kid dropping a half smoked doobie between the car seats during a hand-off.

Sounds like a few people on this board plan on taking advantage which is none of my concern. Hell, I might even try it one more time. Curious where your social worker relative comes down on this legalize plan?

Posted on: 12/8 13:25
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TheBigGuy wrote:
I am struggling with the issue of making it not so much legal, but more available, particularly to teenagers.


My relative the social worker says today's teens have easier access to weed than to alcohol. Why? Because since alcohol is legal but restricted to those over 21 there's no bootleggers who will sell to them, but weed is everywhere. Legalization will likely REDUCE teens access, since they will be the only customers for illegal weed and they usually have little money there will be no organized crime structures to provide it to them any more than there's rings to sell them booze.

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