Seagull wrote:
I don't personally have a problem with paying the tax on marijuana if there is a home grow provision. Alcohol is similarly taxed, but people also have the liberty to brew their own alcohol at home

brewster wrote:
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Didn't know about WA. But this "overtaxed" is overblown. If an $8 gram has $2 tax, do you really think that's so awful? Booze is similarly taxed and no one is hysterical. The dispensary limiting IS a big deal. If you have to drive an hour, or spend hours on public transit to reach the nearest dispensary, that's deliberate hardship.

Seagull wrote:
The only state that did not include a home growing provision was Washington state, and if you look into it, the people in the state are now having to contact their elected officials to try to get on board with a home growing provision. NJ doesn't want a home grow provision because they want everyone to buy marijuana from the state. They keep saying this is for racial justice, but I think it would be more just of them to not be so transparently greedy. Many minorities are too poor to have a car to drive to a dispensary let alone have enough money to spend on overtaxed marijuana. If this is really about racial justice, they should prove it and provide the masses with a sensible home grow provision like Vermont. Two mature female plants in flowering at any time, and six plants total.

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MDM wrote:
Weed is even easier than tobacco (which has to be dried, toasted, and has other stuff added to it). Anyone with $500 to spare can setup a pretty nice grow room in a spare closet.

I don't think any of the rec legal states have outlawed growing your own, some have pretty liberal ideas of how much is required for "personal use", typically 4-6 plants. And as it turns out, the taxes are not a big deal when the market is driving the price into the basement. I hear in CA its crazy cheap now.

All the gloom and doom predictions of corporate control of this product don't make any sense as long as personal growing is possible. Corps will do all the concentrates and such, where the money is, just like ADM makes far more than the farmer growing corn.

Our state lawmakers are morons, wanting to legalize possession but leave all the distribution in the hands of criminals. Is this Rice guy on dealer's payrolls?

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Senator Ronald R. Rice, the chairman of the state?s legislative black caucus and one of the most vocal opponents of legalization, fears dispensaries would be concentrated in cities. ?In my heart, and from my experience, I know the detriment it?s going to cause long-term in urban communities in particular,? he said. He supports decriminalizing the possession of small amounts of marijuana instead.

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hero69 wrote:
i'm pretty much agree that nixon might be causing cuomo to shift on marijuana, but i'm pointing out that murphy hasn't done much so far on recreational marjuana (something he campaigned on). you don't want to know what i think about christie or trump; i'm merely pointing out that they tried/are trying to implement policies to keep their base happy

Murphy is constantly pushing to get it done. It's getting held up by legislators who have very different concerns, which makes compromise difficult.

To put it briefly, Trump SUCKS at getting legislation passed. ACA replacement? Total failure, and he's completely given up. Mexico paying for the wall? Epic fail. Immigration and Dreamer legislation? Fail. Infrastructure plan? Vaporware. Legislative agendas are dead for 2018, due to the midterms. The only thing he did was cut taxes, and no one could fail to get a tax cut through a Republican legislature. Even Obama did that.

As to Christie: Not only was he the least popular governor in NJ history, he was the least popular gov in any state in 20 years of Quinnipiac's polling. You don't get that way by giving the base what it wants. Plus, you can't really push legislation when you spend about 2 years out of state prepping for a Presidential run, which failed quickly, then sucking up to Trump for months, only to get fired before the inauguration, all while fending off a major scandal....

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MDM wrote:
Weed is even easier than tobacco (which has to be dried, toasted, and has other stuff added to it). Anyone with $500 to spare can setup a pretty nice grow room in a spare closet.

I don't think any of the rec legal states have outlawed growing your own, some have pretty liberal ideas of how much is required for "personal use", typically 4-6 plants. And as it turns out, the taxes are not a big deal when the market is driving the price into the basement. I hear in CA its crazy cheap now.

All the gloom and doom predictions of corporate control of this product don't make any sense as long as personal growing is possible. Corps will do all the concentrates and such, where the money is, just like ADM makes far more than the farmer growing corn.

Our state lawmakers are morons, wanting to legalize possession but leave all the distribution in the hands of criminals. Is this Rice guy on dealer's payrolls?

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Senator Ronald R. Rice, the chairman of the state?s legislative black caucus and one of the most vocal opponents of legalization, fears dispensaries would be concentrated in cities. ?In my heart, and from my experience, I know the detriment it?s going to cause long-term in urban communities in particular,? he said. He supports decriminalizing the possession of small amounts of marijuana instead.

MDM wrote:
Weed is even easier than tobacco (which has to be dried, toasted, and has other stuff added to it). Anyone with $500 to spare can setup a pretty nice grow room in a spare closet.

Senator Ronald R. Rice, the chairman of the state?s legislative black caucus and one of the most vocal opponents of legalization, fears dispensaries would be concentrated in cities. ?In my heart, and from my experience, I know the detriment it?s going to cause long-term in urban communities in particular,? he said. He supports decriminalizing the possession of small amounts of marijuana instead.

hero69 wrote:
i'm pretty much agree that nixon might be causing cuomo to shift on marijuana, but i'm pointing out that murphy hasn't done much so far on recreational marjuana (something he campaigned on). you don't want to know what i think about christie or trump; i'm merely pointing out that they tried/are trying to implement policies to keep their base happy

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hero69 wrote:
Looks like NY might have legal rec weed b4 NJ....why does NJ always move at a snail's pace?

You think that New York State works fast? hahahaha

Anyway... If you read the article you linked, it points out that Cuomo has opposed legal weed for a long time. He's only discussing it at all because Miranda Hobbes Cynthia Nixon is pushing him to the left.

Another reason Cuomo is even considering it, after years of opposition? Yeah, it's because NJ and other nearby states might legalize first.

NJ is going slow because some legislators are dead set against legalization; and those who support it want to make sure that people previously busted on pot charges don't get screwed by legalization. The alcohol lobbies are pushing hard against it, too. New York legislators will have the same types of concerns and issues.


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This is sort of my problem with democrats...other than obama, they don't want to deliver.

Yes, because it's not like Christie spent his entire term sabotaging medical marijuana, and categorically refused to consider decriminalization, let alone recreational use. Or Kim Guadagno opposed recreational marijuana. Oh, wait...


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say what u want about trump....

Yeah, you really don't want to hear what I have to say about that.

hero69 wrote:
Looks like NY might have legal rec weed b4 NJ....why does NJ always move at a snail's pace?

This is sort of my problem with democrats...other than obama, they don't want to deliver.

say what u want about trump....

MDM wrote:
If either NY or NJ pass it, the taxes placed on it will be so onerous, people will just buy from the black market (like what happens now with cigarettes).

https://fee.org/articles/high-taxes-on ... ck-into-the-black-market/

Weed is even easier than tobacco (which has to be dried, toasted, and has other stuff added to it). Anyone with $500 to spare can setup a pretty nice grow room in a spare closet.

hero69 wrote:
When is no going to get moving on legalizing marijuana. I read somewhere that NY is now closely looking at legalizing weed.

Stringer wrote:

What Hudson Prosecutor Esther Suarez thinks about legal weed and 6 other topics

By Michaelangelo Conte | The Jersey Journal

As the debate over the legalization of marijuana continues in Trenton, Hudson County Prosecutor Esther Suarez won’t be throwing her support behind legal pot anytime soon.

Citing concerns of how legal marijuana, including edibles, will affect the state’s children and the "difficulties" it will pose for law enforcement, Suarez said she is not in favor of legalization.

"I'm more concerned with how it impacts the kids. And I think the fact that kids are seeing adults use it and they know it’s going to be legal, and they’re just like, 'It's gonna be legal, what’s the difference?'" Suarez said during an extensive interview with The Jersey Journal last month.

"I don't think they understand the consequences of it, I’m concerned about them getting into a car while they’re under the influence of it."

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... _suarez_thinks_about.html

mpwJC wrote:
It is difficult to pin an increase in traffic accidents or traffic fatalities on marijuana legalization. Traffic deaths nationwide increased by 14% from 2014 to 2016, with 2016 being the deadliest year since 2007. So Colorado is far from the only state to see an uptick in traffic incidents.

Colorado's traffic fatality rate per 100,000 citizens is 11.0, which is actually below the national average of 11.6. The highest fatality rates are in Mississippi (23.1) and Alabama (21.3), states that most certainly are not known for lax marijuana laws.

If anything, I'd surmise that the increase in traffic deaths nationwide has more to do with a strengthening economy plus relatively low gas prices. These two factors helped make 2016 the year with the highest number of miles driven in the history of the United States. More cars on the road and more miles driven would logically lead to an increase in traffic accidents.

mpwJC wrote:
I didn't say car accidents are down. In fact, I said quite the opposite.

Yvonne wrote:
The Denver Post has been doing stories on this since marijuana has become legal, accidents have one up. But what make the newspaper 'angry' is the fact that some medical examiner tests for marijuana use and other don't so you are not getting a full picture of accidents. Those that don't says marijuana stays in the body for a long time so it is not accurate. But that also means your surgeon or air pilot who uses marijuana for recreation has the chemical still in their blood. At what point during an accident does this drug interferes with judgment?

RichMauro wrote:
We've been screwed ever since no-fault anyway Yvonne. They don't need a reason to jack up your rates, they just make it up as they go along. It's a Joisey thing.

Yvonne wrote:
Just be prepared to pay more money in car insurance. There has been an increased in accidents in Colorado. I spoke to my agent as to why rates are going up even you do not make a claim and he gave me the stats in JC.