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Really? This successful model?
https://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/11/ ... rcent-higher-murder-rate/

Since marijuana does not send users into homicidal rages, nor does it encourage users to steal rampantly to pay for it, it makes no sense to claim that Colorado's homicide rate increased slightly because marijuana was legalized.

Did u bother to read the article?

Yes. Did you?

The CBI and and Denver PD offer no theories. One police officer mistakenly says it's due to economic conditions (patently false, as crime rates did not soar in 2007-2009). One lawmaker who tries to pin it on pot also acknowledges a surge in opiate use.

Spare us the FUD, kthx.

The article points to crime increasing to outsiders coming to Colorado for the pot laws. They have increased crime in the state! And say what u want driving high is the same as driving drunk and when there is no accurate way to test than it should not be legal. Period. Its common sense.

Posted on: 2018/4/16 14:57

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Really? This successful model?
https://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/11/ ... rcent-higher-murder-rate/

Since marijuana does not send users into homicidal rages, nor does it encourage users to steal rampantly to pay for it, it makes no sense to claim that Colorado's homicide rate increased slightly because marijuana was legalized.

Did u bother to read the article?

Yes. Did you?

The CBI and and Denver PD offer no theories. One police officer mistakenly says it's due to economic conditions (patently false, as crime rates did not soar in 2007-2009). One lawmaker who tries to pin it on pot also acknowledges a surge in opiate use.

Spare us the FUD, kthx.

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Just a matter of time....

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Really? This successful model?
https://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/11/ ... rcent-higher-murder-rate/

Since marijuana does not send users into homicidal rages, nor does it encourage users to steal rampantly to pay for it, it makes no sense to claim that Colorado's homicide rate increased slightly because marijuana was legalized.

Did u bother to read the article?

I read it, there's no link, just weak speculation. They're trying to pin everything from murders to drunk driving on weed.

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CBI (CO bureau of Investigation) officials indicated they can?t offer an analysis about why crime increased in the state.

Here's an article with links to actual studies:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mari ... galization-violent-crime/

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Really? This successful model?
https://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/11/ ... rcent-higher-murder-rate/

Since marijuana does not send users into homicidal rages, nor does it encourage users to steal rampantly to pay for it, it makes no sense to claim that Colorado's homicide rate increased slightly because marijuana was legalized.

Did u bother to read the article?

Posted on: 2018/4/14 16:33

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Really? This successful model?
https://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/11/ ... rcent-higher-murder-rate/

Since marijuana does not send users into homicidal rages, nor does it encourage users to steal rampantly to pay for it, it makes no sense to claim that Colorado's homicide rate increased slightly because marijuana was legalized.

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This really shouldn't be a debate. Legalization is a slam dunk. You have the successful models in other states already. Throw in the fact that we have major cities bordering our state, we could easily draw in some major revenue via "tourism." Atlantic City could have something drawing people to it, again. Camden could start to make a come-back in some parts as a destination.

The downside could be a much more crowded PATH. The plus side could be that the PATH might be pressured to run more trains later and over the weekend...

Really? This successful model?
https://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/11/ ... rcent-higher-murder-rate/

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Peeps have been driving high forever. You look confused.

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I reached out to him on Facebook as well. The article doesn't explain any of his possible reasoning for being against legalization, so I'll let him make his case, but I will vote against him in every election if he isn't in favor of something the vast majority of NJ and Hudson County supports.

Half this opposition is just spineless pols afraid of being painted "soft on crime" in the next election. That's why only in Vermont was legalization passed by the legislature, all the rest were plebiscites where they could claim it wasn't them that did it.

Really? How do u know that? Do u really think it is safe to pass? There is no way currently to regulate driving while high. That doesn't seem to be a win win to me!

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Vote delayed on Jersey City pot plan

By Terrence T. McDonald - The Jersey Journal

Jersey City Mayor Steve Fulop's plan to bar recreational marijuana sales citywide before coming up with pot-friendly zones lives for another day, with the City Council Wednesday night moving to postpone a vote on the controversial proposal.

The council voted 8-1 to set aside the measure, which was scheduled for a final vote Wednesday night. Councilman-at-large Daniel Rivera, who supports Fulop's plan, was the only no vote.

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These politicians are simply cowards who think they'll lose more votes by supporting it than they'll gain, since seniors vote more than young people.

Time for a weed rally in Trenton? The "Massive Mellow March"?

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http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2 ... s_keep_their_monopol.html

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These politicians are simply cowards who think they'll lose more votes by supporting it than they'll gain, since seniors vote more than young people.

Time for a weed rally in Trenton? The "Massive Mellow March"?

Posted on: 2018/3/5 20:15

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This really shouldn't be a debate. Legalization is a slam dunk. You have the successful models in other states already. Throw in the fact that we have major cities bordering our state, we could easily draw in some major revenue via "tourism." Atlantic City could have something drawing people to it, again. Camden could start to make a come-back in some parts as a destination.

The downside could be a much more crowded PATH. The plus side could be that the PATH might be pressured to run more trains later and over the weekend...

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On marijuana, why help criminals keep their monopoly? | Moran

By Tom Moran - Columnist, The Star-Ledger

The latest head-count in the Senate offers sobering news for those working to legalize marijuana in New Jersey. Only five senators said yes, from a total of 40.

"We need to slow this thing down," says Sen. Ron Rice (D-Essex), chairman of the Legislative Black Caucus, who is holding public hearings to drum up more opposition.

Great. The criminal prohibition against weed is as crazy and destructive as the prohibition against alcohol in the 1920s, and we just may stick with it.

Both prohibitions taught millions of decent people to ignore the law of the land. They both allowed bad guys with guns to make a fortune. And today, we add a modern twist by imprisoning African-Americans for weed crimes at three times the rate of whites.

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We have played phone tag thus far, but I will speak to him.

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There is actual data out there nowadays regarding the impact of marijuana legalization on the use of marijuana by children. We are no longer living in a country where everyone can say "what if?" to the hypothetical scenario of marijuana legalization.

In 2002, recreational marijuana was illegal in all 50 states. Medical marijuana was allowed in only a few states. That year, 8.2% of Americans aged 12-17 used marijuana in the past month, per the National Survey on Drug Use and Health.

In 2016, recreational marijuana was legal or in the process of becoming legal in Colorado, Alaska, California, Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington. Medical marijuana was legal in over half of all states. That year, 6.5% of Americans aged 12-17 used marijuana in the past month.

https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/defa ... -2016/NSDUH-FFR1-2016.pdf

Legalizing a substance for adult use doesn't preclude adults from continuing to teach children the dangers of drug and alcohol use and abuse. Defending prohibition based on some false narrative about protecting the children is a stance not based in reality and is frankly insulting in 2018.

Very nice! Have you made your call/email to Stack?

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Guess I need to find the phone number for his office....

One of his concerns is "what message do we send our children?" if we legalize. I would say the message is we'll no longer waste public resources and destroy lives jailing people for using or distributing an intoxicant far less harmful than those currently legal: alcohol and tobacco.

I smoked pot in HS and college with people who went on to be high powered hedge funders, lawyers, doctors, and one who was a GWB appointed US District Attorney. Law enforcement has destroyed far more lives than cannabis has. And we haven't even touched on the race and class bias in that enforcement.

There is actual data out there nowadays regarding the impact of marijuana legalization on the use of marijuana by children. We are no longer living in a country where everyone can say "what if?" to the hypothetical scenario of marijuana legalization.

In 2002, recreational marijuana was illegal in all 50 states. Medical marijuana was allowed in only a few states. That year, 8.2% of Americans aged 12-17 used marijuana in the past month, per the National Survey on Drug Use and Health.

In 2016, recreational marijuana was legal or in the process of becoming legal in Colorado, Alaska, California, Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington. Medical marijuana was legal in over half of all states. That year, 6.5% of Americans aged 12-17 used marijuana in the past month.

https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/defa ... -2016/NSDUH-FFR1-2016.pdf

Legalizing a substance for adult use doesn't preclude adults from continuing to teach children the dangers of drug and alcohol use and abuse. Defending prohibition based on some false narrative about protecting the children is a stance not based in reality and is frankly insulting in 2018.

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Guess I need to find the phone number for his office....

One of his concerns is "what message do we send our children?" if we legalize. I would say the message is we'll no longer waste public resources and destroy lives jailing people for using or distributing an intoxicant far less harmful than those currently legal: alcohol and tobacco.

I smoked pot in HS and college with people who went on to be high powered hedge funders, lawyers, doctors, and one who was a GWB appointed US District Attorney. Law enforcement has destroyed far more lives than cannabis has. And we haven't even touched on the race and class bias in that enforcement.

Posted on: 2018/1/24 19:06

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Murphy is taking steps to expand medical marijuana in NJ.

EO for the NJ Department of Health to take 60 days to figure out how to expand access and lift restrictions:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/nyr ... ey-medical-marijuana.html

Unfortunately, some state legislators are not thrilled with the idea of full recreational access. One such legislator is Brian Stack of Hudson County. They might have the votes, but it likely depends on the composition of the final bill. Guess I need to find the phone number for his office....
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... already_in_trouble_w.html

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Some may need to contact their state representatives.

Http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... already_in_trouble_w.html

Thanks, email sent to Stack.
I reached out to him on Facebook as well. The article doesn't explain any of his possible reasoning for being against legalization, so I'll let him make his case, but I will vote against him in every election if he isn't in favor of something the vast majority of NJ and Hudson County supports.

I left him a voicemail on his cell and he surprisingly called me back. Him and I had a debate for about 10 minutes on the issue. He feels there haven't been enough hearings and the anti-legalization crowd (do they even really exist in large numbers?) hasn't been given any voice. He also cited some "quality of life" concerns and cited his mayorship of Union City as another point of opposition. He also used the "slippery slope" argument, as in "Oh, what's next, are we going to legalize cocaine after this?"

He also cited the revenue just being squandered/wasted, so I told him why doesn't he just introduce an amendment to ensure those funds aren't fungible and are only dedicated to one purpose (i.e. NJ Transit, education, property tax releif, etc). I also mentioned there are no studies that indicate MJ is any more harmful than the already legal drug of alcohol and given that Hudson County has a huge AA population, this demographic (which are also a huge chunk of his constituents) would benefit greatly.

I told him his view as of now was wildly out of touch with what his constituents actually want and cited Phil Murphy's margin of victory (which he dismissed as simply and anti-Christie/Trump vote and not an endorsement of legal mj).

In the end he didn't sound like firm no, but he definitely needs some more pressure from his constituents to get him on the right side of this issue. If you haven't contacted him, I would do so ASAP.

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Ugh, soft on crime is a terrible reason.

I didn't say it wasn't a stupid reason, just one that has worked for decades, same as any reasonable reform like needle exchanges and expanded drug treatment. They're cowards who fear that headline from an election opponent who sees a way to attack them.

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Ugh, soft on crime is a terrible reason. Marijuana should be an industry and not a criminal enterprise. Getting this stuff off the black market and into regulated storefronts will only serve to reduce low-level criminality. It should also reduce access to minors, which is another concern that is brought up frequently. Believe it or not, drug dealers do not ask for ID before making a sale - regulated businesses will.

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I reached out to him on Facebook as well. The article doesn't explain any of his possible reasoning for being against legalization, so I'll let him make his case, but I will vote against him in every election if he isn't in favor of something the vast majority of NJ and Hudson County supports.

Half this opposition is just spineless pols afraid of being painted "soft on crime" in the next election. That's why only in Vermont was legalization passed by the legislature, all the rest were plebiscites where they could claim it wasn't them that did it.

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Some may need to contact their state representatives.

Http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... already_in_trouble_w.html

Thanks, email sent to Stack.

I reached out to him on Facebook as well. The article doesn't explain any of his possible reasoning for being against legalization, so I'll let him make his case, but I will vote against him in every election if he isn't in favor of something the vast majority of NJ and Hudson County supports.

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