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I thought this quote was interesting and believe this is the crux of what anti-Trump people are grappling with, including myself:

"The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally."

https://www.google.com/amp/www.theatla ... cle/501335/?client=safari

Many people are fearful (of being deported, families splitting up, losing healthcare) because they take his language and campaign promises literally. Then, because of the shock of his win, everyone had to quickly take him seriously. I think these feelings may temper as everyone begins to see that the "showman" Trump will be more even-keeled as he approaches the office (i.e., not completely repealing Obamacare).

If you haven't already, you should read this:

I?m a Muslim, a woman and an immigrant. I voted for Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/gl ... igrant-i-voted-for-trump/

fraulein wrote:
I thought this quote was interesting and believe this is the crux of what anti-Trump people are grappling with, including myself:

"The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally."

https://www.google.com/amp/www.theatla ... cle/501335/?client=safari

Many people are fearful (of being deported, families splitting up, losing healthcare) because they take his language and campaign promises literally. Then, because of the shock of his win, everyone had to quickly take him seriously. I think these feelings may temper as everyone begins to see that the "showman" Trump will be more even-keeled as he approaches the office (i.e., not completely repealing Obamacare).

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So when does trump sign those trade deals?any guesses?

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So when does trump sign those trade deals?any guesses?

Obviously not until next year . . .

lol. So you admit trump lied to get into white house....or maybe he said he was opposed to Marta and those trade deals while campaigning but has not changed his mind after getting expert advice

scumbag is already backtracking....there's gonna be a trade deal with Europe ad Asia....which just says that Obama was right all along

Huh? He can't sign a thing until he takes the oath of office . . .

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So when does trump sign those trade deals?any guesses?

Obviously not until next year . . .

lol. So you admit trump lied to get into white house....or maybe he said he was opposed to Marta and those trade deals while campaigning but has not changed his mind after getting expert advice

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So when does trump sign those trade deals?any guesses?

Obviously not until next year . . .

lol. So you admit trump lied to get into white house....or maybe he said he was opposed to Marta and those trade deals while campaigning but has not changed his mind after getting expert advice

no, they said they would discuss..not renegotiate. And those trade deals with Asia and Europe?


The Presidents of Mexico and Canada already are at the table to renegotiate NAFTA.

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So when does trump sign those trade deals?any guesses?

Obviously not until next year . . .

lol. So you admit trump lied to get into white house....or maybe he said he was opposed to Marta and those trade deals while campaigning but has not changed his mind after getting expert advice

no, they said they would discuss..not renegotiate. And those trade deals with Asia and Europe?


The Presidents of Mexico and Canada already are at the table to renegotiate NAFTA.

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So when does trump sign those trade deals?any guesses?

Obviously not until next year . . .

lol. So you admit trump lied to get into white house....or maybe he said he was opposed to Marta and those trade deals while campaigning but has not changed his mind after getting expert advice

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So when does trump sign those trade deals?any guesses?

Obviously not until next year . . .

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Energy, too. I get it - liberals are condescending and non-inclusive. But the risks of know-nothingism are far more tangible and dangerous.

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So much for draining the swamp...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/ ... smid=nytcore-iphone-share

don't panic, stay calm! democarts and others will have a chance to take back both houses in 2018 and the presidency in 2020 if they get their messaging and policies better aligned with what americans view as in their interest. hillary was ultimately done in by a 1,000 litle cuts that democrats were not paying attention to - they should have paid attention to the brexit vote.

hero69 wrote:
So when does trump sign those trade deals?any guesses?

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So when does trump sign those trade deals?any guesses?

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on another note :

Christie replaced by Pence as head of Trump transition


http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... ltr_herostrybutton_single

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Not exactly a sign of confidence in Christie.

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on another note :

Christie replaced by Pence as head of Trump transition


http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... ltr_herostrybutton_single

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Even if every gay bar in the US boycotts Yuengling-Dick Yuengling is worth close to 2 billion dollars. He'll live with it I'd say. The Grubhub guy might feel a boycott a little more, even after he already walked back his email. Oopsie!

Sadly, the stock tanked more after his statement. Not a smart move when you have shareholders! Market cap loss of $350M in two days.

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Even if every gay bar in the US boycotts Yuengling-Dick Yuengling is worth close to 2 billion dollars. He'll live with it I'd say. The Grubhub guy might feel a boycott a little more, even after he already walked back his email. Oopsie!

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When the marriage equality legislature was in process, plenty of wedding-oriented businesses refused to serve gay couples. The argument was that they have the right to not serve people with whom they had differences. I see this as no different.

That's a good point. Remind me, what did "progressives" say about that issue? How did it turn out? Are they making the same arguments now?

Left didn't like it, and right won't like this. Everyone is a hypocrite

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When the marriage equality legislature was in process, plenty of wedding-oriented businesses refused to serve gay couples. The argument was that they have the right to not serve people with whom they had differences. I see this as no different.

That's a good point. Remind me, what did "progressives" say about that issue? How did it turn out? Are they making the same arguments now?

Left didn't like it, and right won't like this. Everyone is a hypocrite.

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smart business move. would you want your business to be associated in any way with hate? even if it was kkk-lite?

That's what the debate becomes. If that's the case, are the bars that continue to serve the beer associated with hate now? I dunno. Becomes messy when money is involved.

The CEO of GrubHub sure made a mess for himself and now the stock is 10% down (last I saw). All because he expressed his personal political views in an email to the employees. Messy!

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When the marriage equality legislature was in process, plenty of wedding-oriented businesses refused to serve gay couples. The argument was that they have the right to not serve people with whom they had differences. I see this as no different.

That's a good point. Remind me, what did "progressives" say about that issue? How did it turn out? Are they making the same arguments now?

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I think what's starting to become very interesting is how some JC businesses are responding to the election. I'm not sure how I feel about businesses taking on a public political stance. Just in from Pint:

"Dear Pint Fans:

We love our diverse clientele. That diversity is what makes our city such a great place. We also love Yuengling - in fact we sell 230 barrels of Yuengling a year. But, Yuengling does not love us. The owners of Yuengling supporteded the racist, anti-gay, anti-women candidacy of Donald Trump. And we can't support that.

Beginning next week, Pint will no longer sell Yuengling or products from D.G. Yuengling & Son, Inc. The $15,000 a year we paid for their products will go to companies that do support diversity. We are also closing our account with Peerless Beverage Company, the distributor of Yuengling, until they drop Yuengling products from their lineup.

While we have a few kegs of Yuengling we already paid for and we'll pour those til they're gone, we're not worried about letting them go. We have lots of amazing craft brewers who will fill the Yuengling taps with delicious beer.

We don't expect that dropping Yuengling will change the world. But it will tell our neighbors, our friends, and you, that when you come to Pint you're welcome here - regardless of who you love, what you look like, or whether you sit or stand to pee.

Thanks for being our customers -

Wolf Sterling, Owner
Tommy DeMaio, General Manager"

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i hear scumbag is looking at tweaking obama care and dodd-frank....not repealing it.

ACA can't be 'tweaked'. It's too far along in crashing, which was its goal by design: make single-payer the "only option".

I expect by 2017, record numbers of healthy people will just pay the fine.. or be smart, reduce their withholding enough that the IRS cannot collect the fine.

Insurance companies will be left with nothing but the sick. This btw is exactly what happened in NY, NJ, and VT when they did their own versions of Obamacare (minus the mandatory purchases of insurance).

Trump will have three choices:

1. Single-payer (IMO.. won't happen since Medicare is already cash flow negative).
2. Deregulate (repeal ACA and allow insurance to be purchased across state lines).
2. Move to something like a Singapore system (mandatory HSAs), but with a more open insurance market in option #2.

Trump signals flexibility on ObamaCare. Yeah, babby!
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/art ... e-citing-oval-office-talk

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It's stupid as hell and just a form of virtue signaling. As Michael Jordan used to say, both Republicans and Democrats buy shoes.

Did you see what the Grubhub CEO did? He sent a memo to all employees basically telling Trump voters to resign. Their stock price has plunged over 10% since he made these comments, because they outraged many people who swore never to use their service again.

I sure did. #Boycottgrubhub is trending hard on twitter and now rumblings of lawsuits. I don't care either way what personal views people have. I just find it an interesting topic when it comes to businesses.

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When the marriage equality legislature was in process, plenty of wedding-oriented businesses refused to serve gay couples. The argument was that they have the right to not serve people with whom they had differences. I see this as no different.