WhoElseCouldIBe wrote:

Are you saying you treat every species on earth the exact same? Careful now.

(I don't expect you to reply because you usually don't when you can't back up your arguments).

GrovePath wrote:
Speciesism involves the assignment of different values, rights, or special consideration to individuals solely on the basis of their species membership.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism







Hey check out a great place! Click link below:

https://www.edgarsmission.org.au/

Monroe wrote:
Is 'specieism' even a word?

I_heart_JC wrote:
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GrovePath wrote:
HA -- Concern for safety of the children is brought to you by the very same officials who thought firewalls were really not needed. Remember that!

http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/20 ... ter_fire_with_report.html

Ridiculous post and off-thread.

Those geese are obnoxious and mean suckers, not to mention the mess they leave. From the "experts" on the topic:

"The state is home to one of the densest Canada geese population in the country, numbering at around 80,000 birds. The Atlantic Flyway Council, a waterfowl hunting management organization, recommends about half that number as a manageable level."

yeah. I'm an avowed animal-lover (heavily involved in rescue, even) and I cannot work up any interest about saving geese.

does this make me an animal racist?

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mastablasta wrote:
YUM!!!

Park Geese to Become Meals for Maryland Food Bank

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/nat ... -Food-Bank-384434061.html

I like the idea of converting an obnoxious pest into delicious food.

WildlifeBiologist wrote:
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JCMan8 wrote:
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mastablasta wrote:
YUM!!!

Park Geese to Become Meals for Maryland Food Bank

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/nat ... -Food-Bank-384434061.html

I like the idea of converting an obnoxious pest into delicious food.

Then start with your own children.

WildlifeBiologist wrote:
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GrovePath wrote:
So does anyone know if they gas the Canadian Geese in Liberty State Park? I met someone who thinks they might!

And your alternative solution is..?

Below is a link to an excellent comprehensive guide to successful lowering of Canada Goose populations and effective maintenance that intelligent communities are using to get their goose population under control. Killing will not do it - within a month of killing, you will have new geese coming in to take the place of the killed ones. At almost $6,000 per year, this is a colossal waste of your tax money.

A combination of 3 simple methods work best, and top of the list needs to be landscape modification. Edgewater has never done landscape mod.

Your town should also do egg-addling and I would also recommend Ovo Control - this is safe, pelleted bird birth control. Interestingly, it was developed in part by the USDA (and a company named Innolytics). Ovo Control-G is for geese (regular Ovo Control was developed for pigeons). Many golf courses use this, as well as resorts and communities. I often wonder why the USDA doesn't push this more, but they make a lot more money from their killing contracts (because they don't work, which means communities keep paying year after year for a method that guarantees repeat business.)



http://www.humanesociety.org/assets/p ... rs/canada_goose_guide.pdf

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WildlifeBiologist wrote:
New Jersey has a large Canada Goose population because the state insists on wasting its citizen's money on useless killing programs instead of effective non-lethal plans that have a better track record for the long haul.

Wildlife biology experts have learned over many years what works to reduce and limit geese, but the USDA seeks out communities in which the leadership and public knows little or nothing about geese and so they are easily talked into a lucrative killing contract which is basically long-term job security for the USDA, since killing doesn't work. And USDA's Wildlife Services killing division has been written up in many newspapers for its corruption and abuse of taxpayer money and excessive killing. In fact, the entire state of California recently cancelled all of its USDA contacts for those reasons.

Thanks for all the great info -- I hope someone from FLSP (Friends of Liberty State Park) read this thread -- it is a crime -- there are no Geese left in Liberty State Park today -- and it is so sad since they had babies! We need a Televised protest to happen there during the 4th of July fireworks!

WildlifeBiologist wrote:
New Jersey has a large Canada Goose population because the state insists on wasting its citizen's money on useless killing programs instead of effective non-lethal plans that have a better track record for the long haul.

Wildlife biology experts have learned over many years what works to reduce and limit geese, but the USDA seeks out communities in which the leadership and public knows little or nothing about geese and so they are easily talked into a lucrative killing contract which is basically long-term job security for the USDA, since killing doesn't work. And USDA's Wildlife Services killing division has been written up in many newspapers for its corruption and abuse of taxpayer money and excessive killing. In fact, the entire state of California recently cancelled all of its USDA contacts for those reasons.

mastablasta wrote:
YUM!!!

Park Geese to Become Meals for Maryland Food Bank

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/nat ... -Food-Bank-384434061.html

WhoElseCouldIBe wrote:
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GrovePath wrote:
So does anyone know if they gas the Canadian Geese in Liberty State Park? I met someone who thinks they might!

And your alternative solution is..?

tern wrote:
There are far too many Canadian Geese around, there is no doubt they need reducing in this area.

Robin.

I_heart_JC wrote:
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jcneighbor wrote:
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GrovePath wrote:
HA -- Concern for safety of the children is brought to you by the very same officials who thought firewalls were really not needed. Remember that!

http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/20 ... ter_fire_with_report.html

Ridiculous post and off-thread.

Those geese are obnoxious and mean suckers, not to mention the mess they leave. From the "experts" on the topic:

"The state is home to one of the densest Canada geese population in the country, numbering at around 80,000 birds. The Atlantic Flyway Council, a waterfowl hunting management organization, recommends about half that number as a manageable level."

yeah. I'm an avowed animal-lover (heavily involved in rescue, even) and I cannot work up any interest about saving geese.

does this make me an animal racist?

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Did you get all that?

I did. Your silly "protest" did nothing, and the world continues as it should.

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jerseymom wrote:
I spoke with one of the demonstrators by the Edgewater Target this weekend. His point was there are natural and non-lethal ways of controlling the goose population without culling with gas. He said the gas method was cruel and that the creatures lingered for some time suffering greatly prior to death.

He was all for controlling the population, but doing so with other methods that included - using dogs to chase animals (they learn not to go back to areas they are chased from); fining people who feed the geese; changing the environment by plantings that will create an inhospitable surrounding for geese; using noise to scare the geese; etc. (don't shoot the messenger, fellow 'listers. I'm just sharing what he told me).

If the animals must be culled, I don't know why it couldn't be done with at least a focus on using the meat to feed food banks, etc.

I won't shoot the messenger, but it's pretty obvious he's living in looney land. Anyone with common sense would recognize his alternative solutions won't do a thing to curb the population.

I agree it would be nice to do something good with the meat; maybe it just costs too much to process.

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WildlifeBiologist wrote:
It's really not cost-effective to feed the geese to the poor. In most towns that still do out-dated goose roundups, it generally costs around $10 per goose. It can cost another $10 to process each carcass at a slaughterhouse. So far we're talking $20 for less than a pound of goose meat. When chicken is $1 per pound, you don't need to be an economist to see that this is an exceedingly poor use of your tax dollars to feed the poor.

Maybe you should talk to an economist about your rithmetic. $20 per goose=/=$20 per lb. You should also learn to use the quote button and not spam the thread with 8 posts all within the time you could have edited one.

If you want people to listen to you don't sound like an idiot.

brewster wrote:
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WildlifeBiologist wrote:
It's really not cost-effective to feed the geese to the poor. In most towns that still do out-dated goose roundups, it generally costs around $10 per goose. It can cost another $10 to process each carcass at a slaughterhouse. So far we're talking $20 for less than a pound of goose meat. When chicken is $1 per pound, you don't need to be an economist to see that this is an exceedingly poor use of your tax dollars to feed the poor.

Maybe you should talk to an economist about your rithmetic. $20 per goose=/=$20 per lb. You should also learn to use the quote button and not spam the thread with 8 posts all within the time you could have edited one.

If you want people to listen to you don't sound like an idiot.

brewster wrote:
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WildlifeBiologist wrote:
It's really not cost-effective to feed the geese to the poor. In most towns that still do out-dated goose roundups, it generally costs around $10 per goose. It can cost another $10 to process each carcass at a slaughterhouse. So far we're talking $20 for less than a pound of goose meat. When chicken is $1 per pound, you don't need to be an economist to see that this is an exceedingly poor use of your tax dollars to feed the poor.

Maybe you should talk to an economist about your rithmetic. $20 per goose=/=$20 per lb. You should also learn to use the quote button and not spam the thread with 8 posts all within the time you could have edited one.

If you want people to listen to you don't sound like an idiot.

brewster wrote:
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WildlifeBiologist wrote:
It's really not cost-effective to feed the geese to the poor. In most towns that still do out-dated goose roundups, it generally costs around $10 per goose. It can cost another $10 to process each carcass at a slaughterhouse. So far we're talking $20 for less than a pound of goose meat. When chicken is $1 per pound, you don't need to be an economist to see that this is an exceedingly poor use of your tax dollars to feed the poor.

Maybe you should talk to an economist about your rithmetic. $20 per goose=/=$20 per lb. You should also learn to use the quote button and not spam the thread with 8 posts all within the time you could have edited one.

If you want people to listen to you don't sound like an idiot.

brewster wrote:
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WildlifeBiologist wrote:
It's really not cost-effective to feed the geese to the poor. In most towns that still do out-dated goose roundups, it generally costs around $10 per goose. It can cost another $10 to process each carcass at a slaughterhouse. So far we're talking $20 for less than a pound of goose meat. When chicken is $1 per pound, you don't need to be an economist to see that this is an exceedingly poor use of your tax dollars to feed the poor.

Maybe you should talk to an economist about your rithmetic. $20 per goose=/=$20 per lb. You should also learn to use the quote button and not spam the thread with 8 posts all within the time you could have edited one.

If you want people to listen to you don't sound like an idiot.

brewster wrote:
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WildlifeBiologist wrote:
It's really not cost-effective to feed the geese to the poor. In most towns that still do out-dated goose roundups, it generally costs around $10 per goose. It can cost another $10 to process each carcass at a slaughterhouse. So far we're talking $20 for less than a pound of goose meat. When chicken is $1 per pound, you don't need to be an economist to see that this is an exceedingly poor use of your tax dollars to feed the poor.

Maybe you should talk to an economist about your rithmetic. $20 per goose=/=$20 per lb. You should also learn to use the quote button and not spam the thread with 8 posts all within the time you could have edited one.

If you want people to listen to you don't sound like an idiot.

brewster wrote:
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WildlifeBiologist wrote:
It's really not cost-effective to feed the geese to the poor. In most towns that still do out-dated goose roundups, it generally costs around $10 per goose. It can cost another $10 to process each carcass at a slaughterhouse. So far we're talking $20 for less than a pound of goose meat. When chicken is $1 per pound, you don't need to be an economist to see that this is an exceedingly poor use of your tax dollars to feed the poor.

Maybe you should talk to an economist about your rithmetic. $20 per goose=/=$20 per lb. You should also learn to use the quote button and not spam the thread with 8 posts all within the time you could have edited one.

If you want people to listen to you don't sound like an idiot.

brewster wrote:
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WildlifeBiologist wrote:
It's really not cost-effective to feed the geese to the poor. In most towns that still do out-dated goose roundups, it generally costs around $10 per goose. It can cost another $10 to process each carcass at a slaughterhouse. So far we're talking $20 for less than a pound of goose meat. When chicken is $1 per pound, you don't need to be an economist to see that this is an exceedingly poor use of your tax dollars to feed the poor.

Maybe you should talk to an economist about your rithmetic. $20 per goose=/=$20 per lb. You should also learn to use the quote button and not spam the thread with 8 posts all within the time you could have edited one.

If you want people to listen to you don't sound like an idiot.

WildlifeBiologist wrote:
It's really not cost-effective to feed the geese to the poor. In most towns that still do out-dated goose roundups, it generally costs around $10 per goose. It can cost another $10 to process each carcass at a slaughterhouse. So far we're talking $20 for less than a pound of goose meat. When chicken is $1 per pound, you don't need to be an economist to see that this is an exceedingly poor use of your tax dollars to feed the poor.