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Only in America, when a criminal has a "Muslim" name, is he branded a terrorist first, a Jihadist, an Islamist, a supporter of ISIS.

Actually, no. This terrorist called 911 while he was in the club and pledged allegiance to ISIS.

That's why every country on Earth would properly recognize him as an Islamist terrorist who supports ISIS.

But don't let facts get in the way of a convenient narrative. Also it's not like gays aren't routinely executed just because they are gay in many Muslim countries. Have to forget about those facts too.

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King Obama cannot utter the words "islamic Terrorist"

What a disgrace this so-called leader of the free world is. Even Hillary would be better and I'm a Republican.

Why are you interested in Obama saying the phrase "Islamic Terrorist"? How does it help the situation?

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As usual brewster, you remain one of the smartest and well thinking posters on this board.

Your observation is correct. Neoliberalism cloaks it's ideas with the language of classical liberalism...especially the ideas that people have the right to live their lives with little interference.

So Neoliberals believe that the private sector should be largely unregulated and it should be subsidized by the public sector. For example: corporate welfare and huge cuts in social welfare programs.

And you are correct many Republicans like Regan and Thachter pushed Neoliberlism polices. But its not only a GOP thing.

The Clintons are very much neoliberals....and Hillary is a supporter to TTP.

I hope this makes more sense. But check out Chomsky's defintion of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1dv2xkPsz0

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http://www.salon.com/2014/01/13/choms ... _is_a_neoliberal_assault/

Noam Chomsky: Trans-Pacific Partnership is a ?neoliberal assault?
The political theorist and linguist slams the agreement that has little to do with free trade


Critics of the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement ? a purported free trade deal between 11 countries, including the U.S., Canada and Japan, which has been in negotiations for some years ? have noted that the deal has little to do with free trade. Rather, the TPP is about limiting regulation, helping corporate interests and imposes fiercer standards of intellectual property (to, again, largely benefit corporate interests).

Noam Chomsky has joined the chorus decrying the TPP. On Monday he told HuffPost Live that the deal, which is not yet finalized, is ?designed to carry forward the neoliberal project to maximize profit and domination, and to set the working people in the world in competition with one another so as to lower wages to increase insecurity.?

Chomsky said it was ?a joke? that the deal is designated a ?free trade? agreement. ?It?s called free trade, but that?s just a joke,? Chomsky said. ?These are extreme, highly protectionist measures designed to undermine freedom of trade. In fact, much of what?s leaked about the TPP indicates that it?s not about trade at all, it?s about investor rights.?

The MIT professor also slammed the veil of secrecy that has surrounded TPP negotiations. Information on the deal available to Congress has even been highly limited. Were it not for a document leak published by WikiLeaks, the public would know almost nothing about the content of TPP negotiations. On reviewing the leaked draft TPP chapter, intellectual property law expert Dr. Matthew Rimmer called the deal, ?a Christmas wish-list for major corporations.?

As Chomsky noted:

It?s very hard to make anything of the TPP because it?s been kept very secret. A half-secret, I should say. It?s not secret from the hundreds of corporate lawyers and lobbyists who are writing the legislation. To them, it?s perfectly public. They?re, in fact, writing it. It?s being kept secret from the population. Which of course raises obvious questions.

How is any of that "Liberal"? it mostly sounds like classic GOP "business first" policy. Unless "neo-liberal" is a new term for the Clinton-Gore "New Democrat" policy of beating conservatives by coopting just enough of their policies to win.

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http://www.salon.com/2014/01/13/choms ... _is_a_neoliberal_assault/

Noam Chomsky: Trans-Pacific Partnership is a ?neoliberal assault?
The political theorist and linguist slams the agreement that has little to do with free trade


Critics of the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement ? a purported free trade deal between 11 countries, including the U.S., Canada and Japan, which has been in negotiations for some years ? have noted that the deal has little to do with free trade. Rather, the TPP is about limiting regulation, helping corporate interests and imposes fiercer standards of intellectual property (to, again, largely benefit corporate interests).

Noam Chomsky has joined the chorus decrying the TPP. On Monday he told HuffPost Live that the deal, which is not yet finalized, is ?designed to carry forward the neoliberal project to maximize profit and domination, and to set the working people in the world in competition with one another so as to lower wages to increase insecurity.?

Chomsky said it was ?a joke? that the deal is designated a ?free trade? agreement. ?It?s called free trade, but that?s just a joke,? Chomsky said. ?These are extreme, highly protectionist measures designed to undermine freedom of trade. In fact, much of what?s leaked about the TPP indicates that it?s not about trade at all, it?s about investor rights.?

The MIT professor also slammed the veil of secrecy that has surrounded TPP negotiations. Information on the deal available to Congress has even been highly limited. Were it not for a document leak published by WikiLeaks, the public would know almost nothing about the content of TPP negotiations. On reviewing the leaked draft TPP chapter, intellectual property law expert Dr. Matthew Rimmer called the deal, ?a Christmas wish-list for major corporations.?

As Chomsky noted:

It?s very hard to make anything of the TPP because it?s been kept very secret. A half-secret, I should say. It?s not secret from the hundreds of corporate lawyers and lobbyists who are writing the legislation. To them, it?s perfectly public. They?re, in fact, writing it. It?s being kept secret from the population. Which of course raises obvious questions.

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Do you even realize you still have not actually described how trade protection will create those jobs you moan for? If those factories come back they either be highly automated or low wage. The internet is lousy with people who can recognize a problem but have no idea of practical solutions.

brewster wrote: As Monroe loves to point out, the only thing that gives NJ road workers middle class wages is the wage laws, otherwise they'd be making <$20/hr. Why do you imagine factories forcibly reshored would be different without organized labor?

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He speaks clearly about what every person in America is concerned about.... why have the manufacturing jobs that that gave my family a nice middle class living without having to worry about an MBA or PHD left the country??? A McDonalds or Walmart's service job does not make 1/4 of the salary an steel worker used to make, so don't be thrilled when the Govt. says that 50,000 service sector jobs have been created. They democrat and republican establishment have screwed the country and the idea that giving menial laborer's $15 per hour is nothing more than a feeble attempt juice some foolish arbitrary pay scale is voodoo economics.

Those jobs were an artifact of LABOR UNIONS, an institution the GOP loves to vilify. There was no other reason to pay unskilled or moderately skilled labor middle class wages, and it was in large part fear of communism that made them do it. There was no shortage of labor to drive wages up. As Monroe loves to point out, the only thing that gives NJ road workers middle class wages is the wage laws, otherwise they'd be making <$20/hr. Why do you imagine factories forcibly reshored would be different without organized labor?

You are right about flooding the labor market with unskilled labor... wages will remain flat. This helps big business and it provides democrats with an uneducated voting block that will support their socialist platform. As been said before, those counter jobs at McDonalds were always considered jobs to supplement a family income and/or help some kid build his/her work history. I don't have much sympathy for people that have choose being counter server as a career. Not to say I am not sympathetic to extenuating circumstances but to pay $15 to serve a Coke will only make business look for ways to reduce labor costs through automation. And the kids coming out of colleges with degrees with minimal job prospects tend to be the ones who start at banks making $20 an hour. And probably carrying a big education debt too. The Higher Ed. Systems should be sued for fraud and misrepresentation for the debt they are saddling kids with to support their bloated administration costs etc.

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http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/obamatrade ... op-congressman-his-job/#!


Have to love Virginia Republicans.... They nailed Eric Cantor and just whacked Forbes. It is not about the both corrupt political parties lines and lockstep ideologues. It's all thinking out of the box for the future and soul of the country.

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Monroe wrote: Hillary supporters swallow her talk of supporting women and gays, but in reality she's taken tens of millions of dollars from Arab countries where women have no rights, and gays get killed for being gay. Hillary doesn't underestimate how stupid her base is.

I think Hillary sucks but come on - if Hillary's base is stupid, what does that make Trump's? There is a reason that he speaks on a 7th grade level.

He speaks clearly about what every person in America is concerned about.... why have the manufacturing jobs that that gave my family a nice middle class living without having to worry about an MBA or PHD left the country??? A McDonalds or Walmart's service job does not make 1/4 of the salary an steel worker used to make, so don't be thrilled when the Govt. says that 50,000 service sector jobs have been created. They democrat and republican establishment have screwed the country and the idea that giving menial laborer's $15 per hour is nothing more than a feeble attempt juice some foolish arbitrary pay scale is voodoo economics.

Those jobs were an artifact of LABOR UNIONS, an institution the GOP loves to vilify. There was no other reason to pay unskilled or moderately skilled labor middle class wages, and it was in large part fear of communism that made them do it. There was no shortage of labor to drive wages up. As Monroe loves to point out, the only thing that gives NJ road workers middle class wages is the wage laws, otherwise they'd be making <$20/hr. Why do you imagine factories forcibly reshored would be different without organized labor?

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Hey Big guy. Come see what banks are paying recent grads. it's about 20/hr.

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Monroe wrote: Hillary supporters swallow her talk of supporting women and gays, but in reality she's taken tens of millions of dollars from Arab countries where women have no rights, and gays get killed for being gay. Hillary doesn't underestimate how stupid her base is.

I think Hillary sucks but come on - if Hillary's base is stupid, what does that make Trump's? There is a reason that he speaks on a 7th grade level.

He speaks clearly about what every person in America is concerned about.... why have the manufacturing jobs that that gave my family a nice middle class living without having to worry about an MBA or PHD left the country??? A McDonalds or Walmart's service job does not make 1/4 of the salary an steel worker used to make, so don't be thrilled when the Govt. says that 50,000 service sector jobs have been created. They democrat and republican establishment have screwed the country and the idea that giving menial laborer's $15 per hour is nothing more than a feeble attempt juice some foolish arbitrary pay scale is voodoo economics.

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Hillary supporters swallow her talk of supporting women and gays, but in reality she's taken tens of millions of dollars from Arab countries where women have no rights, and gays get killed for being gay. Hillary doesn't underestimate how stupid her base is.

I think Hillary sucks but come on - if Hillary's base is stupid, what does that make Trump's? There is a reason that he speaks on a 7th grade level.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-mo ... and-the-d_b_10512198.html

Trump, His Virus and the Dark Age of Unreason

By Bill Moyers




There?s a virus infecting our politics and right now it?s flourishing with a scarlet heat. It feeds on fear, paranoia and bigotry. All that was required for it to spread was a timely opportunity ? and an opportunist with no scruples.

There have been stretches of history when this virus lay dormant. Sometimes it would flare up here and there, then fade away after a brief but fierce burst of fever. At other moments, it has spread with the speed of a firestorm, a pandemic consuming everything in its path, sucking away the oxygen of democracy and freedom.

Today its carrier is Donald Trump, but others came before him: narcissistic demagogues who lie and distort in pursuit of power and self-promotion. Bullies all, swaggering across the landscape with fistfuls of false promises, smears, innuendo and hatred for others, spite and spittle for anyone of a different race, faith, gender or nationality.

In America, the virus has taken many forms: ?Pitchfork Ben? Tillman, the South Carolina governor and senator who led vigilante terror attacks with a gang called the Red Shirts and praised the efficiency of lynch mobs; radio?s charismatic Father Charles Coughlin, the anti-Semitic, pro-Fascist Catholic priest who reached an audience of up to 30 million with his attacks on Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the New Deal; Mississippi?s Theodore Bilbo, a member of the Ku Klux Klan who vilified ethnic minorities and deplored the ?mongrelization? of the white race; Louisiana?s corrupt and dictatorial Huey Long, who promised to make ?Every Man a King.? And of course, George Wallace, the governor of Alabama and four-time presidential candidate who vowed, ?Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.?

Note that many of these men leavened their gospel of hate and their lust for power with populism ? giving the people hospitals, schools and highways. Father Coughlin spoke up for organized labor. Both he and Huey Long campaigned for the redistribution of wealth. Tillman even sponsored the first national campaign-finance reform law, the Tillman Act, in 1907, banning corporate contributions to federal candidates.

But their populism was tinged with poison ? a pernicious nativism that called for building walls to keep out people and ideas they didn?t like.

Which brings us back to Trump and the hotheaded, ego-swollen provocateur he most resembles: Joseph McCarthy, U.S. senator from Wisconsin ? until now perhaps our most destructive demagogue. In the 1950s, this madman terrorized and divided the nation with false or grossly exaggerated tales of treason and subversion ? stirring the witches? brew of anti-Communist hysteria with lies and manufactured accusations that ruined innocent people and their families. ?I have here in my hand a list,? he would claim ? a list of supposed Reds in the State Department or the military. No one knew whose names were there, nor would he say, but it was enough to shatter lives and careers.

In the end, McCarthy was brought down. A brave journalist called him out on the same television airwaves that helped the senator become a powerful, national sensation. It was Edward R. Murrow, and at the end of an episode exposing McCarthy on his CBS series See It Now, Murrow said:

?It is necessary to investigate before legislating, but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one, and the junior senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. His primary achievement has been in confusing the public mind, as between the internal and the external threats of Communism. We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men ? not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.?

There also was the brave and moral lawyer Joseph Welch, acting as chief counsel to the U.S. Army after it was targeted for one of McCarthy?s inquisitions. When McCarthy smeared one of his young associates, Welch responded in full view of the TV and newsreel cameras during hearings in the Senate. ?You?ve done enough,? Welch said. ?Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?... If there is a God in heaven, it will do neither you nor your cause any good. I will not discuss it further.?

It was a devastating moment. Finally, McCarthy?s fellow senators ? including a handful of brave Republicans ? turned on him, putting an end to the reign of terror. It was 1954. A motion to censure McCarthy passed 67-22, and the junior senator from Wisconsin was finished. He soon disappeared from the front pages, and three years later was dead.

Here?s something McCarthy said that could have come straight out of the Trump playbook: ?McCarthyism is Americanism with its sleeves rolled.? Sounds just like The Donald, right? Interestingly, you can draw a direct line from McCarthy to Trump ? two degrees of separation. In a Venn diagram of this pair, the place where the two circles overlap, the person they share in common, is a fellow named Roy Cohn.

Cohn was chief counsel to McCarthy?s Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, the same one Welch went up against. Cohn was McCarthy?s henchman, a master of dark deeds and dirty tricks. When McCarthy fell, Cohn bounced back to his hometown of New York and became a prominent Manhattan wheeler-dealer, a fixer representing real estate moguls and mob bosses ? anyone with the bankroll to afford him. He worked for Trump?s father, Fred, beating back federal prosecution of the property developer, and several years later would do the same for Donald. ?If you need someone to get vicious toward an opponent,? Trump told a magazine reporter in 1979, ?you get Roy.? To another writer he said, ?Roy was brutal but he was a very loyal guy.?

Cohn introduced Trump to his McCarthy-like methods of strong-arm manipulation and to the political sleazemeister Roger Stone, another dirty trickster and unofficial adviser to Trump who just this week suggested that Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin was a disloyal American who may be a spy for Saudi Arabia, a ?terrorist agent.?

Cohn also introduced Trump to the man who is now his campaign chair, Paul Manafort, the political consultant and lobbyist who without a moral qualm in the world has made a fortune representing dictators ? even when their interests flew in the face of human rights or official US policy.

So the ghost of Joseph McCarthy lives on in Donald Trump as he accuses President Obama of treason, slanders women, mocks people with disabilities, and impugns every politician or journalist who dares call him out for the liar and bamboozler he is. The ghosts of all the past American demagogues live on in him as well, although none of them have ever been so dangerous ? none have come as close to the grand prize of the White House.

Because even a pathological liar occasionally speaks the truth, Trump has given voice to many who feel they?ve gotten a raw deal from establishment politics, who see both parties as corporate pawns, who believe they have been cheated by a system that produces enormous profits from the labor of working men and women that are gobbled up by the 1 percent at the top. But again, Trump?s brand of populism comes with venomous race-baiting that spews forth the red-hot lies of a forked and wicked tongue.

We can hope for journalists with the courage and integrity of an Edward R. Murrow to challenge this would-be tyrant, to put the truth to every lie and publicly shame the devil for his outrages. We can hope for the likes of Joseph Welch, who demanded to know whether McCarthy had any sense of decency. Think of Gonzalo Curiel, the jurist Trump accused of persecuting him because of the judge?s Mexican heritage. Curiel has revealed the soulless little man behind the curtain of Trump?s alleged empire, the avaricious money-grubber who conned hard-working Americans out of their hard-won cash to attend his so-called ?university.?

And we can hope there still remain in the Republican Party at least a few brave politicians who will stand up to Trump, as some did McCarthy. This might be a little harder. For every Mitt Romney and Lindsey Graham who have announced their opposition to Trump, there is a weaselly Paul Ryan, a cynical Mitch McConnell and a passel of fellow travelers up and down the ballot who claim not to like Trump and who may not wholeheartedly endorse him but will vote for him in the name of party unity.

As this headline in The Huffington Postaptly put it, ?Republicans Are Twisting Themselves Into Pretzels To Defend Donald Trump.? Ten GOP senators were interviewed about Trump and his attack on Judge Curiel?s Mexican heritage. Most hemmed and hawed about their presumptive nominee. As Trump ?gets to reality on things he?ll change his point of view and be, you know, more responsible.? That was Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah. Trump?s comments were ?racially toxic? but ?don?t give me any pause.? That was Tim Scott of South Carolina, the only Republican African-American in the Senate. And Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas? He said Trump?s words were ?unfortunate.? Asked if he was offended, Jennifer Bendery writes, the senator ?put his fingers to his lips, gestured that he was buttoning them shut, and shuffled away.?

No profiles in courage there. But why should we expect otherwise? Their acquiescence, their years of kowtowing to extremism in the appeasement of their base, have allowed Trump and his nightmarish sideshow to steal into the tent and take over the circus. Alexander Pope once said that party spirit is at best the madness of the many for the gain of a few. A kind of infection, if you will ? a virus that spreads through the body politic, contaminating all. Trump and his ilk would sweep the promise of America into the dustbin of history unless they are exposed now to the disinfectant of sunlight, the cleansing torch of truth. Nothing else can save us from the dark age of unreason that would arrive with the triumph of Donald Trump.

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Only in America, when a criminal has a "Muslim" name, is he branded a terrorist first, a Jihadist, an Islamist, a supporter of ISIS.

Actually, no. This terrorist called 911 while he was in the club and pledged allegiance to ISIS.

That's why every country on Earth would properly recognize him as an Islamist terrorist who supports ISIS.

But don't let facts get in the way of a convenient narrative. Also it's not like gays aren't routinely executed just because they are gay in many Muslim countries. Have to forget about those facts too.

WRONG.

King Obama cannot utter the words "islamic Terrorist"

What a disgrace this so-called leader of the free world is. Even Hillary would be better and I'm a Republican.

Why are you interested in Obama saying the phrase "Islamic Terrorist"? How does it help the situation?

Monroe wrote:
Hillary supporters swallow her talk of supporting women and gays, but in reality she's taken tens of millions of dollars from Arab countries where women have no rights, and gays get killed for being gay. Hillary doesn't underestimate how stupid her base is.

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Only in America, when a criminal has a "Muslim" name, is he branded a terrorist first, a Jihadist, an Islamist, a supporter of ISIS.

Actually, no. This terrorist called 911 while he was in the club and pledged allegiance to ISIS.

That's why every country on Earth would properly recognize him as an Islamist terrorist who supports ISIS.

But don't let facts get in the way of a convenient narrative. Also it's not like gays aren't routinely executed just because they are gay in many Muslim countries. Have to forget about those facts too.

WRONG.

King Obama cannot utter the words "islamic Terrorist"

What a disgrace this so-called leader of the free world is. Even Hillary would be better and I'm a Republican.

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Only in America, when a criminal has a "Muslim" name, is he branded a terrorist first, a Jihadist, an Islamist, a supporter of ISIS.

Actually, no. This terrorist called 911 while he was in the club and pledged allegiance to ISIS.

That's why every country on Earth would properly recognize him as an Islamist terrorist who supports ISIS.

But don't let facts get in the way of a convenient narrative. Also it's not like gays aren't routinely executed just because they are gay in many Muslim countries. Have to forget about those facts too.

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'meltdown mode'? It took 49 dead gay Americans for Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama to even utter the words 'Islamic terrorist'.

Do you realize that if Obama declared a "war on terror" and further divided Americans and Muslims, it helps ISIS recruit right? In this way, Trump is playing right into ISIS' hands.

So Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Clinton's Arab Reset are Trump's problem??

lol. why use obama's middle name and not hrc's?

It's more; why didn't the poster use Hillary's middle name if the poster used the president's.

hero69 wrote:
GOP is in meltdown mode. McCain tries to lay blame for Orlando on Obama! Maybe McCain can be Trump's VP running mate!

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sen- ... cre-in-orlando-2016-06-16

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'meltdown mode'? It took 49 dead gay Americans for Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama to even utter the words 'Islamic terrorist'.

Do you realize that if Obama declared a "war on terror" and further divided Americans and Muslims, it helps ISIS recruit right? In this way, Trump is playing right into ISIS' hands.

So Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Clinton's Arab Reset are Trump's problem??

lol. why use obama's middle name and not hrc's?

Monroe wrote:
'meltdown mode'? It took 49 dead gay Americans for Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama to even utter the words 'Islamic terrorist'.

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'meltdown mode'? It took 49 dead gay Americans for Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama to even utter the words 'Islamic terrorist'.

Do you realize that if Obama declared a "war on terror" and further divided Americans and Muslims, it helps ISIS recruit right? In this way, Trump is playing right into ISIS' hands.

So Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Clinton's Arab Reset are Trump's problem??