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Sully wrote:
This doesn't sound good (as of 12:53 am - 10/3/2015)

Due to a track condition, PATH is operating 33rd-Hob, Nwk-Jsq and Wtc-Ex. Place only. NJT will cross honor PATH passengners.

I got to WTC at about 11.30pm last night only to be told all PATH service was "closed". Not suspended, or suffering delays, but closed. I asked the clueless guy whether 33rd-JSQ was running and of course he had no idea. Took the A train to PABT, waited an hour and then, without been told whether trains were operating or not, got on a JSQ train which terminated at Hoboken. So I walked down the Hudson walkway in the pouring rain to get back to home.

Even by PATH's pathetic weekend late night standards, last night was astoundingly frustrating. When a guy tells you to go to Penn Station and get NJ Transit to Secaucus, how exactly does that help anyone who lives in JC or Hoboken?

We spend a lot of time on this thread comparing PATH to the MTA, but the fact is there are a half dozen lines to take you into Brookly, Queens or the Bronx if one closes. Last night there was no ferry, bus or train option to get home. If we want to talk about why JC real estate is not approaching the same prices as Brooklyn Heights, its not the Jersey stigma, it is the risk of been stranded late at night.

There were plenty of yellow cab vultures lurking outide WTC, however, happily offering to take people home for $60.

Apologies for raging. Rant over.

You had a better night than this guy.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... _c.html#incart_river_home

A man was found dead on the PATH tracks late last night in Jersey City, authorities said this morning.

The man was found just west of the Grove Street PATH station just after 11 p.m. last night, Port Authority police spokesman Joe Pentangelo said. It could not be confirmed if he was struck or how he died.

The PATH system was completely shut down at 11:15 p.m. and at 12:08 a.m. PATH resumed service from Hoboken to 33rd Street and between Journal Square and Newark.

Service was restored at 5:05 am. Pentangelo said the man's death is under investigation.

Guess that's the cause of the system shutdown.

The lack of communication sucks, but I do understand why it had to happen. Whenever a death happens, they close the whole area down for a long time.

This episode does illustrate that one glaring weakness for the DTJC real estate market is that if the PATH is shut down for whatever reason, you are completely fucked going to/from NYC. There is no alternative once the ferries close, which is rather early.

It is also why I think the massive new construction (I believe over 30,000 units, or approximately 60,000 people in JSQ and Grove) will completely overwhelm the already overcrowded PATH. Because it won't just affect late nights, you will have a very hard time getting on the trains at all unless you live in JSQ. I think this will serve to severely limit the DTJC real estate market unless there is some kind of solution.

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Sully wrote:
This doesn't sound good (as of 12:53 am - 10/3/2015)

Due to a track condition, PATH is operating 33rd-Hob, Nwk-Jsq and Wtc-Ex. Place only. NJT will cross honor PATH passengners.

I got to WTC at about 11.30pm last night only to be told all PATH service was "closed". Not suspended, or suffering delays, but closed. I asked the clueless guy whether 33rd-JSQ was running and of course he had no idea. Took the A train to PABT, waited an hour and then, without been told whether trains were operating or not, got on a JSQ train which terminated at Hoboken. So I walked down the Hudson walkway in the pouring rain to get back to home.

Even by PATH's pathetic weekend late night standards, last night was astoundingly frustrating. When a guy tells you to go to Penn Station and get NJ Transit to Secaucus, how exactly does that help anyone who lives in JC or Hoboken?

We spend a lot of time on this thread comparing PATH to the MTA, but the fact is there are a half dozen lines to take you into Brookly, Queens or the Bronx if one closes. Last night there was no ferry, bus or train option to get home. If we want to talk about why JC real estate is not approaching the same prices as Brooklyn Heights, its not the Jersey stigma, it is the risk of been stranded late at night.

There were plenty of yellow cab vultures lurking outide WTC, however, happily offering to take people home for $60.

Apologies for raging. Rant over.

You had a better night than this guy.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... _c.html#incart_river_home

A man was found dead on the PATH tracks late last night in Jersey City, authorities said this morning.

The man was found just west of the Grove Street PATH station just after 11 p.m. last night, Port Authority police spokesman Joe Pentangelo said. It could not be confirmed if he was struck or how he died.

The PATH system was completely shut down at 11:15 p.m. and at 12:08 a.m. PATH resumed service from Hoboken to 33rd Street and between Journal Square and Newark.

Service was restored at 5:05 am. Pentangelo said the man's death is under investigation.

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Sully wrote:
This doesn't sound good (as of 12:53 am - 10/3/2015)

Due to a track condition, PATH is operating 33rd-Hob, Nwk-Jsq and Wtc-Ex. Place only. NJT will cross honor PATH passengners.

I got to WTC at about 11.30pm last night only to be told all PATH service was "closed". Not suspended, or suffering delays, but closed. I asked the clueless guy whether 33rd-JSQ was running and of course he had no idea. Took the A train to PABT, waited an hour and then, without been told whether trains were operating or not, got on a JSQ train which terminated at Hoboken. So I walked down the Hudson walkway in the pouring rain to get back to home.

Even by PATH's pathetic weekend late night standards, last night was astoundingly frustrating. When a guy tells you to go to Penn Station and get NJ Transit to Secaucus, how exactly does that help anyone who lives in JC or Hoboken?

We spend a lot of time on this thread comparing PATH to the MTA, but the fact is there are a half dozen lines to take you into Brookly, Queens or the Bronx if one closes. Last night there was no ferry, bus or train option to get home. If we want to talk about why JC real estate is not approaching the same prices as Brooklyn Heights, its not the Jersey stigma, it is the risk of been stranded late at night.

There were plenty of yellow cab vultures lurking outide WTC, however, happily offering to take people home for $60.

Apologies for raging. Rant over.

Sully wrote:
This doesn't sound good (as of 12:53 am - 10/3/2015)

Due to a track condition, PATH is operating 33rd-Hob, Nwk-Jsq and Wtc-Ex. Place only. NJT will cross honor PATH passengners.

tommyc_37 wrote:
Frequency really is the main, glaring issue. Weekends and late nights are super crowded, And the trains routed through Hoboken will have to end soon, particularly with substantially more growth in JC which is happening.

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Does a day go by when PATH doesn't break down in one way or another?

Of course.

The PATH works fine on most days. People just get hysterical over a 5 minute delay.

I've used a variety of transit systems over the years, and PATH is about the same as any other system in terms of delays, crowding and so forth.

mastablasta wrote:
Does a day go by when PATH doesn't break down in one way or another?

caj11 wrote: Where is Teddy these days, BTW? I haven't seen him in at least six months, maybe longer.

JCGuys wrote:
With the Fulton Subway station redesign happening at the same time, the PATH trains should have been configured to better link up, with plenty of space to handle projected passenger demand to 2050 or beyond. Do we really need two landmark train stations so close to each other? Egotism.

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I think that when the entire concourse is open, that funneling of people will be spread out over a larger area. No one could possible have designed the current situation as a permanent thing. Then again, these are the people who installed pure white staircases that are already filthy after 2 months of use.

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WTC station at 6:25 PM yesterday:

The platform for Newark bound trains started to get really crowded, which my daughter and I noticed as we were riding the escalator down, only to find ourselves getting bunched up at the bottom/landing area, as a train had pulled in and a massive stream of people came out of it. Even my 13-year-old was able to assess the layout as a mess as she turned to me and remarked "this can get dangerous". There is very little space on the platforms to allow for the movement of people in and out of trains while lots of people are going up and down the stairs and escalators. Someone must have told the conductor to close the doors and take off immediately: "closing door" messages started to play as people were still getting out and doors started to close just as those who waited on the platform were starting to board.

Honestly, the experience was a bit disconcerting. What will happen on days when throngs of commuters, tourists and daytrippers start to converge during busy hours?

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But the money IS there. It was just used for a gigantic useless terminal at WTC that looks like a flying dove. This flying dove doesn't add any value at all to riders, yet cost a fortune, and that money could have made the Path more reliable. The Port Authority leadership needs to be ousted, or the Path needs to be taken away from them. Something. The misuse of funds is glaring and will bite us all in the ass.

I think it already has bitten us.

Not to mention, my memory is hazy on this one, but weren't there some instances of some highly connected developer(s) having the chance to buy or lease land from the Port Authority at well below the market values? I know that was discussed on here, but my memory is fuzzy on that one. It's like the Port Authority was giving away some valuable land near the World Trade Center, or letting someone rent it for next to nothing.

Yes, although my memory is hazy as well, I recall the Port Authority let one of their high execs purchase valuable land for $1. I think it was at the WTC in the 80s but I'm not positive. I also believe no one ever got in trouble for this.

So no, the solution is not that tired liberal refrain of keep raising taxes. It is in stopping the massive amounts of government waste, bloat, and corruption, and rediverting this money to proper use.

Not to mention Christie committed to spending $1.5 billion to extend the Newark line to Newark airport. This will likely rise to $3 billion by the time it's all said and done. A colossal waste of money, considering you can get off at Newark Penn Station already and take a train to the airport. And if you are in NY, you can go to Manhattan Penn and take a direct train to the airport.

Divert this $1.5-$3 billion to upgrading critical infrastructure, not pissing it away.

I think you are both confused and mis-remembering the matter of the name and trademark of "World Trade Center", which was sold to a "non profit organization" headed by a former PA executive for $10 (!!!) and they license the name back to the PA (and many other places around the world) for an initial fee of 200K and an annual fee of 10K. Talk about sweetheart deals!!!

Adding insult to injury, this so called non profit is (was?) demanding free office space in the new WTC in exchange for continued use of the WTC name for which the PA is already paying their yearly fee. It's almost impossible to believe...

Yes, you are right, I was confused.

But the reality almost seems even worse. Not only did no one get in trouble for this blatant corruption, it is continuing because they want free office space!

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But the money IS there. It was just used for a gigantic useless terminal at WTC that looks like a flying dove. This flying dove doesn't add any value at all to riders, yet cost a fortune, and that money could have made the Path more reliable. The Port Authority leadership needs to be ousted, or the Path needs to be taken away from them. Something. The misuse of funds is glaring and will bite us all in the ass.

I think it already has bitten us.

Not to mention, my memory is hazy on this one, but weren't there some instances of some highly connected developer(s) having the chance to buy or lease land from the Port Authority at well below the market values? I know that was discussed on here, but my memory is fuzzy on that one. It's like the Port Authority was giving away some valuable land near the World Trade Center, or letting someone rent it for next to nothing.

Yes, although my memory is hazy as well, I recall the Port Authority let one of their high execs purchase valuable land for $1. I think it was at the WTC in the 80s but I'm not positive. I also believe no one ever got in trouble for this.

So no, the solution is not that tired liberal refrain of keep raising taxes. It is in stopping the massive amounts of government waste, bloat, and corruption, and rediverting this money to proper use.

Not to mention Christie committed to spending $1.5 billion to extend the Newark line to Newark airport. This will likely rise to $3 billion by the time it's all said and done. A colossal waste of money, considering you can get off at Newark Penn Station already and take a train to the airport. And if you are in NY, you can go to Manhattan Penn and take a direct train to the airport.

Divert this $1.5-$3 billion to upgrading critical infrastructure, not pissing it away.

I think you are both confused and mis-remembering the matter of the name and trademark of "World Trade Center", which was sold to a "non profit organization" headed by a former PA executive for $10 (!!!) and they license the name back to the PA (and many other places around the world) for an initial fee of 200K and an annual fee of 10K. Talk about sweetheart deals!!!

Adding insult to injury, this so called non profit is (was?) demanding free office space in the new WTC in exchange for continued use of the WTC name for which the PA is already paying their yearly fee. It's almost impossible to believe...

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But the money IS there. It was just used for a gigantic useless terminal at WTC that looks like a flying dove. This flying dove doesn't add any value at all to riders, yet cost a fortune, and that money could have made the Path more reliable. The Port Authority leadership needs to be ousted, or the Path needs to be taken away from them. Something. The misuse of funds is glaring and will bite us all in the ass.

I think it already has bitten us.

Not to mention, my memory is hazy on this one, but weren't there some instances of some highly connected developer(s) having the chance to buy or lease land from the Port Authority at well below the market values? I know that was discussed on here, but my memory is fuzzy on that one. It's like the Port Authority was giving away some valuable land near the World Trade Center, or letting someone rent it for next to nothing.

Yes, although my memory is hazy as well, I recall the Port Authority let one of their high execs purchase valuable land for $1. I think it was at the WTC in the 80s but I'm not positive. I also believe no one ever got in trouble for this.

So no, the solution is not that tired liberal refrain of keep raising taxes. It is in stopping the massive amounts of government waste, bloat, and corruption, and rediverting this money to proper use.

Not to mention Christie committed to spending $1.5 billion to extend the Newark line to Newark airport. This will likely rise to $3 billion by the time it's all said and done. A colossal waste of money, considering you can get off at Newark Penn Station already and take a train to the airport. And if you are in NY, you can go to Manhattan Penn and take a direct train to the airport.

Divert this $1.5-$3 billion to upgrading critical infrastructure, not pissing it away.

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tommyc_37 wrote:
But the money IS there. It was just used for a gigantic useless terminal at WTC that looks like a flying dove. This flying dove doesn't add any value at all to riders, yet cost a fortune, and that money could have made the Path more reliable. The Port Authority leadership needs to be ousted, or the Path needs to be taken away from them. Something. The misuse of funds is glaring and will bite us all in the ass.

I think it already has bitten us.

Not to mention, my memory is hazy on this one, but weren't there some instances of some highly connected developer(s) having the chance to buy or lease land from the Port Authority at well below the market values? I know that was discussed on here, but my memory is fuzzy on that one. It's like the Port Authority was giving away some valuable land near the World Trade Center, or letting someone rent it for next to nothing.

tommyc_37 wrote:
But the money IS there. It was just used for a gigantic useless terminal at WTC that looks like a flying dove. This flying dove doesn't add any value at all to riders, yet cost a fortune, and that money could have made the Path more reliable. The Port Authority leadership needs to be ousted, or the Path needs to be taken away from them. Something. The misuse of funds is glaring and will bite us all in the ass.

tommyc_37 wrote:
Signal failures on the NWK-WTC line. Westbound train sat at JSQ for 10 minutes then the announcement was made that the train would terminate in Harrison. Figured I'd get an Uber from Harrison to Newark. Train continued to sit at JSQ. 5 minutes, 10 minutes. Said screw this and ran upstairs to get an Uber to Newark.

Missed my connecting NJtransit train by 60 seconds (of course that train left on time, Murphys Law).

I allowed a fucking hour to go from Grove Street to Newark, and it was a fail. This system has gone from reliable to absolutely shameful. How can we make our voices heard, legitimately?

The worst part is...what the hell were they doing when they shut this line down for a year? Wasn't it to fix the damn signal problems? Port Authority needs to have the Path forcibly taken out of their control.

tommyc_37 wrote:
But the money IS there. It was just used for a gigantic useless terminal at WTC that looks like a flying dove. This flying dove doesn't add any value at all to riders, yet cost a fortune, and that money could have made the Path more reliable. The Port Authority leadership needs to be ousted, or the Path needs to be taken away from them. Something. The misuse of funds is glaring and will bite us all in the ass.