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I shy away from conspiracy theories, but holy crap.
Posted on: 2015/7/15 21:03
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202 York is owned by York Street, LLC, at 279 Grove Street. aka Silverman.
Posted on: 2015/7/15 20:51
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Griggs v. Duke Power was a landmark victory for civil rights.
Posted on: 2015/7/15 20:02
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Page 6 of the report says 202 York was assessed at $85,000. How could it have sold for $615,000? I know the reval hasn't been done in a long time, but that much of a discrepancy?
Posted on: 2015/7/15 20:02
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Image here: http://www.realtor.com/realestateandh ... ity_NJ_07302_M57967-32069 (sorry - couldn't post it) This is the house on 202 York. According to Zillow, it sold in January of this year for $615,000: Alert Date Event 01/05/2015 close detail $615,000 Recording Date: 01/05/2015 Contract Date: 12/29/2014 Sale Price: $615,000 Price Type: Full amount stated on Document. County Transfer Tax: $615 Total Transfer Tax: $2,153 Transaction Type: Insured Non-Residential Grant Deed Document TypeDeed ...and a little colorful JC history about the address: "Three Counterfeiters Arrested: Three men who are believed to be of a gang which has been passing counterfeit quarters and half dollars in New Jersey have been arrested by Secret Service officers in Elizabeth The prisoners gave names as John Harvey John J Haskings and Charles B Herman One was recognized the police as Joseph McArdle of 202 York Street Jersey City In his room were melting pot a sand box some le d and other articles which the Secret Service men are used by counterfeiters. Dickerman's United States Treasury Counterfeit Detector, 1909"
Posted on: 2015/7/15 19:33
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I think this is a great idea, well maybe not 90 stories and maybe not entirely residential. There is just so much patching and reconfiguring you can do.
Posted on: 2015/7/15 19:17
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Kelo vs. City of New London made it okay to do just that. It ranks up with Griggs vs. Duke Power and Dred Scott as some of the worst decisions ever made by the Supreme Court.
Posted on: 2015/7/15 13:06
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This is really the only part that bugs me. Just sell the lot at market if you want it developed.
Posted on: 2015/7/15 12:51
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First of all. They couldn't have used that lot so not having it in the future = no change. Second, there is a deck two blocks away and Edison parking across the street. Third. The PATH lets off right there so lots of people could take that. Fourth. I lived here now for about 6 years and I can count on no fingers the amount of times I have found no parking at all where I wanted to be. Sometimes I do have to go a few blocks away, sometimes it is annoying. Never have I just be unable to park.
Posted on: 2015/7/15 12:50
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I forgot the "cherry on top", the city can avoid selling the development property to the highest bidder and instead designate another friendly developer who will be touted as the best developer in the world to develop what Jersey City needs most.
Posted on: 2015/7/15 12:50
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JCman, .... and that is how a property is blighted. "Blight" in a multimillion dollar neighborhood. Total abuse of the concept and back door to spot zoning.
Posted on: 2015/7/15 11:17
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Yes - it would be interesting to know which parking lot they are planning to build on....? The owners of York St. want to be included in the RDP. Let the building deteriorate, Claim that it is too expensive to renovate properly. Partner with the developer to get included in the RDP. Build a high rise. Happening at 72 Wayne street too. So much for the Historic District.
Posted on: 2015/7/15 11:08
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Posted on: 2015/7/15 4:24
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The thing that really bothers me about this (having read the report found here http://goo.gl/Blo2Y0) is the total smear job they're trying to run on 202 York. I feel bad for whoever lives there. From page 8:
This three-story, five-unit multifamily building is in poor condition. The exterior has a rear yard, strewn with trash and surrounded by a chain-link fence that is falling down. Inside, the building is dark, cramped, and lacks proper life safety updates. The generality of the building is of substandard design with small inefficient units. An exterior survey reveals a minimally maintained building with unidentifiable opening for possible venting and un-repaired patching. Loose and hanging wires, and wired entering and exiting the center, side and front walls. While the vinyl siding appears new, it is impossible to determine the true condition of what it covers underneath. The visible fa?ade that remains is a mix of stucco, brick face, tile and concrete. The rear of the building, although it does contain a metal fire escape, requires some repairs to insure it is closed and secure. In its current state it appears to be approaching dilapidation and obsolescence. It possesses characteristics of lacking light, air, and space, in a manner conducive to unwholesome living conditions. Multiple windows are blocked by in window air-conditioning units, the front yard, contain as vent within the ROW indicating the presence of some underground utility serving the building but within the City ROW. The chimney appears to need re-pointing. Both the front and the back of the building contain an undersized person door non-compliant to current building code or safety design standards. This site can be found to meet criteria "a" as an "area in need of redevelopment." This describes 90% of the low rise housing stock in Downtown Jersey City. This building actually looks nicer than mine from the outside! Crappy fences and poorly installed Comcast/Fios wires do not justify the taking of property by the city for the benefit of a developer.
Posted on: 2015/7/15 3:30
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Here is my guess as to what will happen.
Remember how Silverman first got a 20 year abatement to build luxury condos across the street from City Hall, then didn't build it... and then just two years ago had to take a 10 year abatement instead after a big uproar... to build luxury rentals for transient workers... This is part two of that agreement. Guaranteed Jersey City designates Silverman as the developer. Then JC sells the lot for a sweet song for the developer (cheap), plus promises of some "upgrades" and "cheap renovations" to city hall which will be minimal at best. Then... what will happen is this.... the City Hall district zone will then be deliberately expanded to include the new Charles & Co. building, and they will "renegotiate" their tax abatement to either a 20 or maybe even 30 year abatements as they are in a new "historic" district that is "blighted". Look at what is going on. They just gave 30 years to the powerhouse arts district. And 20 year tax breaks to commercial hotels at exchange place and grove st. Meanwhile... all of these abatements are within the original 2013 Tax Abatement restructuring which would have only given them just 5 years. This is really uncalled for. Mayor Fulop and his puppet council selling out Jersey City for campaign cash and promises of more for his run for Governor. And the regular taxpayer pays and pays and pays. We need a tax break too, not these rich developers who charge market rate rents and "fills em as they build em" Per the Developer of Park 18 - Mr. Kushner FG
Posted on: 2015/7/15 3:13
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Quite odd. I bet there's an interesting story there.
Posted on: 2015/7/15 2:22
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I live by the river.
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Hey, why not just give the current City Hall to a developer and have them build a 90 story residential building. Then move all City operations to the MLK Hub
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Posted on: 2015/7/15 1:45
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I'm not surprised to see the linkage of City Hall with the parking lot across the street. This could be a very smart way to get the developer to pay for City Hall renovations in order to get the right to build on the parking lot. But isn't it a bit odd that the City Hall Study Area includes one single row house on York Street?
Posted on: 2015/7/14 23:58
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It looks like the city is trying to up zone their own land, the parking lot across the street from city hall and cash in on the sale of the property with the new zoning. Its looks like this administration has learned from the developers on how to score big in the land use game.
Posted on: 2015/7/14 21:43
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The vacant lot (parking lot) @ the sw corner of Montgomery & Marin was chiseled out of contributing structures within the Van Vorst Historic District. The plan 20years ago was to build a City Hall annex on the site. Now the city has decided to build it at the HUB on MLK Drive. Any new construction on the Van Vorst site must be reviewed and approved by the HPC, the Zoning Board of Adjustment, the Planning Board & the city council. If this protocol is not followed the Van Vorst District will chalk up another no-no onto a growing list of intrusions on the SHPO's list. The city's use of continued eminent domain tactics has threatened the historic districts in Jersey City for many years though the average citizen is unaware of same. That is because the city adeptly shapes public opinion in its favor time after time counting on a constant turnover of residents unaware of the past. As a result we will now have a multi-story "hockey puck" sitting in the shadow of City Hall.
Posted on: 2015/7/14 21:32
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i think the "non-condemnation" part just means there's eminent domain power in the study area
Posted on: 2015/7/14 20:59
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From what I understand, there is no redevelopment plan yet. Tomorrow's agenda is for a Resolution to accept City Hall as a "non-condemnation" study area (fancy word for blight - essentially does the same thing)
The RDP is "in the works"
Posted on: 2015/7/14 20:48
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There are four agenda items for tomorrow's meeting affecting downtown:
City Hall RDP Newark Pedestrian plaza powerhouse arts Cafe ordinance -- to bail out Prato permanently so they don't have to apply for a variance. All at 10 am.
Posted on: 2015/7/14 20:44
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in a way, it is a legal way to spot zone and continue to grant downtown abatements. to me, it looks like a pretty egregious abuse of nj redevelopment law.
certainly pushing the envelope far and then some. Quote:
Posted on: 2015/7/14 20:12
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And isn't it convenient that the meeting is scheduled for 10:00 tomorrow morning when few can attend? Shady dealing, as usual...
Posted on: 2015/7/14 20:01
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Posted on: 2015/7/14 19:55
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...and you've identified the key issue. High rise.
Posted on: 2015/7/14 13:33
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If it's just a single lot, I don't understand the need for a redevelopment plan. It can either be built on under existing zoning or the zoning board can grant necessary variances.
Posted on: 2015/7/14 13:32
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http://www.nj.gov/oag/dcr/filing.html Yvonne, do efforts to curtail citizen participation fall into the above organization's bailiwick? I don't think it would be too hard to prove that eliminating free parking would cause a drop in attendance and participation. It would also give an advantage to Ward E.
Posted on: 2015/7/14 11:37
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