Yvonne wrote:
It is too bad members of jclist were not present at the caucus meeting on 6/22, members of the city council were confused because they were not consulted when Newark Avenue was closed on the 18th. Fulop used his "administrative authority" to close the street. There is a first reading ordinance on the 24th to close Newark Avenue but it doesn't become law until a second reading. So here is my question, if someone is injured is the city covered by this closing? The Faulkner Act requires council action to create laws, not administrative action.

jerseymom wrote:
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Fomite wrote:
Unless you work in the suburbs, why do you need a car?
Isn't that the point of moving to the city? Everything delivers, and you can get an uber for anything that doesn't. I wish JC would actually be bold and make some progressive moves.
I'll take a little inconvenience for less cars, less pollution, more trees and urban wildlife.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I would hazard a guess that you don't have children; a business that is product/equipment intensive; a job outside the reach of mass transit; and/or care for a sickly/elderly parent or relative. Try any or a combination of all. Quite difficult around here without a car. And some folks simply cannot afford delivery/Uber.

elsquid wrote:
People, don't be silly. We all know traffic congestion is caused by bike lanes.

Yvonne wrote:
I was on Newark Avenue near the Courthouse around 3:30 PM on Thursday. I couldn't figure out why the traffic was so congested...

Yvonne wrote:
I was on Newark Avenue near the Courthouse around 3:30 PM on Thursday. I couldn't figure out why the traffic was so congested, even a Hudson County Sheriff was outside trying to direct traffic. When they show the people downtown on the mall they should also show the congestion is causes at the other end.

Yvonne wrote:
I was on Newark Avenue near the Courthouse around 3:30 PM on Thursday. I couldn't figure out why the traffic was so congested, even a Hudson County Sheriff was outside trying to direct traffic. When they show the people downtown on the mall they should also show the congestion is causes at the other end.

Yvonne wrote:
I was on Newark Avenue near the Courthouse around 3:30 PM on Thursday. I couldn't figure out why the traffic was so congested, even a Hudson County Sheriff was outside trying to direct traffic. When they show the people downtown on the mall they should also show the congestion is causes at the other end.

Yvonne wrote:
I was on Newark Avenue near the Courthouse around 3:30 PM on Thursday. I couldn't figure out why the traffic was so congested, even a Hudson County Sheriff was outside trying to direct traffic. When they show the people downtown on the mall they should also show the congestion is causes at the other end.

jerseymom wrote:
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Fomite wrote:
Unless you work in the suburbs, why do you need a car?
Isn't that the point of moving to the city? Everything delivers, and you can get an uber for anything that doesn't. I wish JC would actually be bold and make some progressive moves.
I'll take a little inconvenience for less cars, less pollution, more trees and urban wildlife.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I would hazard a guess that you don't have children; a business that is product/equipment intensive; a job outside the reach of mass transit; and/or care for a sickly/elderly parent or relative. Try any or a combination of all. Quite difficult around here without a car. And some folks simply cannot afford delivery/Uber.

Fomite wrote:
Unless you work in the suburbs, why do you need a car?
Isn't that the point of moving to the city? Everything delivers, and you can get an uber for anything that doesn't. I wish JC would actually be bold and make some progressive moves.
I'll take a little inconvenience for less cars, less pollution, more trees and urban wildlife.

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tommyc_37 wrote:
Cars are going away in cities. At least car ownership is going away, and the notion of relying on cars is going away.

Jersey City instead of spending resources on improving infrastructure, improving service, and expanding public transit into underserved neighborhoods, is proposing an expensive project to expand a road into a PARK. A park.

This is problematic, and literally the opposite of progressive.

JCman8, I think you're missing my point. Jersey City is drastically different than the rest of New Jersey, in that there are many neighborhoods where people live carless. I know in NJ you need a car, but Jersey City is drastically different from the rest of NJ and that is my point; that Jersey City is trapped in a state that doesn't really "get" urban living.

The catering to the vehicle is what caused Newport to become a depressing place. I don't want the rest of Jersey City to feel like Newport. People gravitate to places that are pedestrian friendly. Pedestrian-friendly and car-centric cannot easily co-exist.

The uproar over the pedestrian-ization of Newark Ave is a microcosm of the problem.

I?ve been saying the same thing for a long time. People in Albany and Rochester and West Chester use cars. That doesn?t mean those in Manhattan need them too. The reality is that we, as a city, need to strive towards that.


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Fomite wrote:
Unless you work in the suburbs, why do you need a car?
Isn't that the point of moving to the city? Everything delivers, and you can get an uber for anything that doesn't. I wish JC would actually be bold and make some progressive moves.
I'll take a little inconvenience for less cars, less pollution, more trees and urban wildlife.

So you think everyone who lives in Jersey City has a 5-20 minute walk to the PATH train/Bus and then has a quick walk or transfer to where they work? You think every resident actually works in NYC? You think everyone works regular hours? Think about how naive some of you people are about other people's lives.

Looks like the person mentioned that "Unless you work in the suburbs"...

The reality is that "car culture" is not a good reasoning. There are plenty of people I know that don't own a car. Then, when they need to take a long drive, they'll rent one.

Saying that everyone in an urban center needs a car is just absurd.

tommyc_37 wrote:
Cars are going away in cities. At least car ownership is going away, and the notion of relying on cars is going away.

Jersey City instead of spending resources on improving infrastructure, improving service, and expanding public transit into underserved neighborhoods, is proposing an expensive project to expand a road into a PARK. A park.

This is problematic, and literally the opposite of progressive.

JCman8, I think you're missing my point. Jersey City is drastically different than the rest of New Jersey, in that there are many neighborhoods where people live carless. I know in NJ you need a car, but Jersey City is drastically different from the rest of NJ and that is my point; that Jersey City is trapped in a state that doesn't really "get" urban living.

The catering to the vehicle is what caused Newport to become a depressing place. I don't want the rest of Jersey City to feel like Newport. People gravitate to places that are pedestrian friendly. Pedestrian-friendly and car-centric cannot easily co-exist.

The uproar over the pedestrian-ization of Newark Ave is a microcosm of the problem.

Vigilante wrote:
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Fomite wrote:
Unless you work in the suburbs, why do you need a car?
Isn't that the point of moving to the city? Everything delivers, and you can get an uber for anything that doesn't. I wish JC would actually be bold and make some progressive moves.
I'll take a little inconvenience for less cars, less pollution, more trees and urban wildlife.

So you think everyone who lives in Jersey City has a 5-20 minute walk to the PATH train/Bus and then has a quick walk or transfer to where they work? You think every resident actually works in NYC? You think everyone works regular hours? Think about how naive some of you people are about other people's lives.

Fomite wrote:
Unless you work in the suburbs, why do you need a car?
Isn't that the point of moving to the city? Everything delivers, and you can get an uber for anything that doesn't. I wish JC would actually be bold and make some progressive moves.
I'll take a little inconvenience for less cars, less pollution, more trees and urban wildlife.

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tommyc_37 wrote:

Case in point how every building has a massive parking deck, which you just don't really see in developments across the river. Because Jersey City is in "New Jersey" and people need cars in New Jersey.

The mindset is holding Jersey City back, and it's sad.

You are being sarcastic but this is correct. Most people need cars in NJ and do not in NYC. What's so hard to understand?



Manhattan has a great public transportation system. JC does not. If you work anywhere in NJ that's not on a PATH line, you'll need a car to get to work.

I wish I could just snap my fingers and the whole state would have great public transport and no one would need their cars. But I don't live in this fantasy world, I am in reality where JC is a car centric place for a reason. Because people need cars here.

Manhattan has the best transportation options of any US city with subways, buses and taxis and good public transportation into the city. The streets are still full of private cars. With all these options many people drive into the city every day for work.
If the car is not going away there it won't go away here in jc.

JCMan8 wrote:
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tommyc_37 wrote:

Case in point how every building has a massive parking deck, which you just don't really see in developments across the river. Because Jersey City is in "New Jersey" and people need cars in New Jersey.

The mindset is holding Jersey City back, and it's sad.

You are being sarcastic but this is correct. Most people need cars in NJ and do not in NYC. What's so hard to understand?



Manhattan has a great public transportation system. JC does not. If you work anywhere in NJ that's not on a PATH line, you'll need a car to get to work.

I wish I could just snap my fingers and the whole state would have great public transport and no one would need their cars. But I don't live in this fantasy world, I am in reality where JC is a car centric place for a reason. Because people need cars here.

tommyc_37 wrote:
As much as I love Jersey City it's really not a very progressive place, especially when compared to our neighbor across the river, and there are many inhabitants particularly the ones who have been here for a long time, who are very much attached to a car lifestyle.

The perfect exemplification of this is how this TINY pedestrian plaza on Newark Ave is creating an uproar, yet the City is likely going to be installing a vehicle bridge connecting Jersey Ave to Liberty State Park, which is absolutely nuts and will really take a lot from the Van Vorst Park neighborhood, for only a very small gain for people who drive.

While urban cities across the world are steadily moving away from car culture, Jersey City at times seems to be moving towards it, or at least not away from it at all.

Jersey City is a very dense urban city that exists within an overwhelmingly suburban state in terms of landscape and mindset - and this really is starting to show. Case in point how every building has a massive parking deck, which you just don't really see in developments across the river. Because Jersey City is in "New Jersey" and people need cars in New Jersey.

The mindset is holding Jersey City back, and it's sad.

user1111 wrote:
It is quite apparent that some of you have never lived in Jersey City, you may live dtjc but never lived within the city. I have lived all over the city, and if you do not live near the PATH or Rail YOU NEED A CAR!

Transportation in this town is poor, and unreliable, Services in certain parts of this town is non existent. I am not going to go grocery shopping by using the Rail, I have a car for that. When I take the pets to be groomed, I use the car for that. When I need to make a Home Deopot run I use the car for that.

I am very fortunate to live near the lightrail but realistically the rail only takes me to Hoboken and DTJC and sometimes I don't want to go there. CARS ARE NOT GOING AWAY, more people are coming and they are bringing their cars.

When every neighborhood is serviced with Dry Cleaners, Supermarkets, Pet Stores, Pharmacies, Coffee Shops, Cafes, Banks, and Gyms you might see a little less driving and more people walking.