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It passed although many in the council including Osborne said they have misgivings about the ordinance. Only Boggiano voted against this. Yun said he wants the chain stores to come to the Heights.
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does anyone know if this brilliant idea (note sarcasm) passed?
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Your friend is correct, fees on most things are going up in Jersey City. We are being "nickel and dime" to death.
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You're backwards in the brain. Chain stores are the 1%. Give them free reign and they'll destroy our neighborhood and export all the profits. They're not really any cheaper either.
Posted on: 2015/5/14 14:52
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Was anybody at the City Council Meeting last night and is there any update on this issue or any updated news?
Posted on: 2015/5/14 13:35
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Steven Fulop - Mayor of Jersey City, New Jersey Limiting Retail Chains While Supporting Small Businesses Is Key to Urban Vibrancy and Employment GainsThe Huffington Post: Posted: 04/21/2015 6:18 pm EDT The rapid urban population growth has been well-documented and heralds the revitalization of so many American cities. Millennials, especially, are choosing to live in cities because of their diversity, vibrancy and cultural texture. But to some degree, this feel is at risk as large chain retailers are looking to "mall-ize" urban America. Planners and many residential developers are unhappily looking at the influx of formula retailers into vibrant urban downtown neighborhoods. Residents who chose their neighborhoods because of the pulse there feel similarly. As a Mayor, I agree with them. In Jersey City, we are looking to maintain our eclectic and unique retail mix by limiting certain types of stores, restaurants and banks. Under our plan, which is similar to what San Francisco has done, only 30 percent of commercial space in certain downtown areas can be rented to a business that has 10 other properties within 300 miles of Jersey City. Grocery stores are exempt. This plan should serve as a model for other American cities. Some say the free market should decide who rents retail space but that's a false choice. Think about it. In maintaining the texture of our city, we are also boosting the small business owners who have significantly contributed to our revival by investing so heavily in their boutiques, stores and restaurants. They have helped to make Jersey City a magnet for development, so why let the national chains push them aside now that these corporate giants see a lucrative market they did little to help create. Small business owners typically live close to where they work so local entrepreneurs are fully invested in their communities and every day we see the difference this makes in Jersey City. In the last 18 months over 150 small businesses, including 50 restaurants, have opened in Jersey City and we want to see more come our way. In fact, the unemployment rate has fallen faster in Jersey City than any other city in our region and is outpacing the state of New Jersey as well. This strongly suggests that encouraging small business start ups and expansion is a key to reducing unemployment as they make up 99 percent of American private sector employers. The commitment small business owners bring to a city helps make their communities more livable. This initiative in Jersey City not only creates jobs and improves the quality of life for residents, it also is smart urban planning that will bring more vitality to neighborhoods. It's a policy other cities should follow. Steven Fulop is Mayor of Jersey City, NJ.
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Good for you! I give the malocchio to people going into Talde because I do not want stores or restaurants that bring people into DTJC. I don't bother with Carrino because they seem to get about one customer an hour. I go into the 99 next to Barcode because they sell the recommended brand of polish for my Fisher Paykel stainless steel appliances much cheaper than Gracious Home.
Posted on: 2015/4/19 14:07
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ny ... amid-chains-rise-30413260
In NYC, Debate Over Saving Small Shops Amid Chains' Rise Apr 18, 2015 Associated Press New York is increasingly becoming chain store city. Looking for a "Seinfeld"-style coffee shop? It's sharing the city with 280 Starbucks and more than 530 Dunkin Donuts. A good neighborhood deli? It's competing with some 460 Subways. And the corner store may well now be a Chase bank or Walgreens. Amid eye-popping rents and the demise of a number of well-known local haunts, some activists and lawmakers are proposing new rent-renewal rights for small businesses that they see as saving the personality of the city. "To me, the streetscape of New York City is what sells New York City. To make a city of chain stores would not be inviting for residents or visitors," said Manhattan Borough President Gale Brewer, among those making the proposals. "Yes, they go to Times Square, but then they get so excited when they go to Little Italy or Chinatown .... that's what makes New York." But in a city where small businesses ? and commercial rent control proposals ? have come and gone for decades, the buzz about saving storefronts is spurring debate between those who feel New York's distinctiveness is at stake and others who say the changing retail landscape represents the free market at work. To Dr. Sam Shelanski, shops like Pearl River Mart, an emporium of all things Chinese, are a New York highlight. But the store recently said it might close later this year after 44 years in various locations because its rent was poised to jump from about $110,000 to more than $500,000 a month at its current SoHo home. "It's another piece of what makes New York so unique and so colorful that is now gone," said Shelanski, a regular visitor from Fort Collins, Colorado. But to landlords and real estate brokers, a booming city that draws big retail benefits both residents and visitors, and government has no business trying to protect one type of shop over another. "The market is going to dictate whether or not a mom-and-pop's going to survive ... and when we try to stop that from happening, we're going to hurt the economy of New York," said Steven Spinola, president of the Real Estate Board of New York, a major landlords' group. Making lease renewals easier can make it harder for new shops to find space, says Greg David, a former Crain's New York Business editor who teaches journalism at the City University of New York. "The simple answer that mom-and-pops will win and national chains will lose is simply superficial," he says. New York is home to some of the world's most expensive retail real estate. Asking rents in the prime of Fifth Avenue have risen about 50 percent in five years to top $3,100 per square foot, or $6.2 million for a space the size of an average Starbucks, according to real estate firms CBRE and Cushman & Wakefield. Manhattan landlords ask an average of about $94 per square foot per year, compared to $34 in San Francisco, $13 in Atlanta and $12 in Kansas City, Missouri, Cushman & Wakefield says. National chains have expanded in New York City for six straight years, boasting 7,473 locations last year, according to the Center for an Urban Future, a public policy think tank. Chains have a role to play in the city and have added value, such as national grocery stores that have offered more food choice to residents, said the center's executive director, Jonathan Bowles. But in high-profile neighborhoods such as SoHo, the Upper West Side and Chelsea, so many national retailers have gone up that "it's become very difficult for any independent retailer to afford space." Rent hikes and lease clashes have become so commonplace that an online "Save NYC" campaign has emerged featuring videos lamenting a litany of beloved storefronts and eateries that have closed their doors. Crusty Manhattan burger joint Big Nick's closed in 2013 after 51 years; Colony Music, a Times Square store with a famous fan base, shut down in 2012 after 64 years; and 78-year-old dive bar the Subway Inn lost its Manhattan space last year, though it has reopened nearby. The city debated but ultimately defeated a plan to cap some commercial rent increases in the 1980s. The new proposals wouldn't actually set store rents. Rather, they would give tenants and landlords recourse to mediators or arbitrators if there was a lease-renewal dispute. If mediation didn't work, Brewer's proposal would entitle tenants to a one-year extension with a 15 percent rent hike, allowing time to find new space. The city Small Business Services Department says it is "evaluating a range of potential new programs and strategies" to help small businesses compete in the face of real estate and other pressures. The city already offers free legal assistance, loan application help and incentives for small businesses. For family-owned toy store West Side Kids, the strategy is simply to hope to stay in the Manhattan space it's been lucky to rent for 34 years at moderately rising rates. A move would probably double rent, owner Jennifer Bergman says. "If we had to move," she says, "we'd have to close." Also today: http://www.bulletinstandard.org/busin ... e-market-place-h7966.html
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I suppose if Wonder Bagels was looking to expand further (5 current stores), and added another 5, they would be a chain as well.... god forbid. we wouldn't want them here anymore.
Posted on: 2015/4/18 3:37
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Aaaah good additions (though none would be "exempt", it's just that they're in large enough buildings that rationing off 70% for mom & pops is feasible even if not affordable). Let's remember, though, (or for those of you who never knew, this is an FYI) Downtown HAS ALREADY gotten rid of "unwanted" chains WITHOUT government intervention so there is NO reason to think that it wouldn't continue. 1. WaMu. What's there now? Barcade. 2. Burger King. What's there now? Word.
Posted on: 2015/4/18 2:31
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GNC Starbucks Chase .. all probably would be exempt from this as they are in large buildings, but all popular businesses.
Posted on: 2015/4/18 2:16
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So Fulop is going to limit real estate development by big companies too, right? Oh wait..
Posted on: 2015/4/17 23:09
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Jersey City council to debate chain store limitsBy JERSEY CITY - The City Council next week is scheduled to give initial approval to Mayor Steve Fulop's plan to restrict chain stores in portions of the Downtown. The measure, which has been cheered by some small business owners but panned by business groups, would limit chain stores from occupying more than 30 percent of ground-floor commercial space in some areas of the Downtown. Newport and much of the Waterfront would be exempt. Read more: http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... _histor.html#incart_river
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Duane Reade
McD's Dunkin Donuts Subway Two Boots Bon Chon Bank of America Santander whatever that bank is on Newark & Jersey H&R Block Am I missing something? How do 10 stores merit such a law that will surely harm landlords who need stable rents (and who can blame them for wanting high rents) and will disallow us from shopping in stores that we may well want/like?
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So I suppose McDonalds and Dunkin Donuts would both be out if not presently there already. I guess Subway & GNC would be allowed if it's considered part of that large building (coincidentally the only businesses on that block on that side of the street that have been able to stay in business and afford the rents).
Obviously, all above businesses do very well and many people like them. I guess we should go back to the old mom & pop deli type store that was in that Dunkin Donuts spot that turned over and was constantly empty at least 2-3 times in the last decade? This is a stupid, non-nonsensical ordinance which hopefully disappears soon.
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Doesn't the Cruz family own the DT hardware building and the store on Grove?
Posted on: 2015/4/17 20:21
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If the hardware store is that profitable, it won't leave Newark Ave. If it isn't, it doesn't belong on Newark Ave. Somewhere off the main street would still suffice.
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More people make babies than who can use tools. We once had something on the other mammals, but that was never going to last.
Posted on: 2015/4/17 19:09
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It's not up to me. If baby gap can afford to buy the place, they buy it, if the public wants it there, they will be profitable and stay. If no one goes there, they close. I do my part in expressing my pleasure or displeasure with stores. For example, every time I walk by a 99 cent store, I make it a point to look at the people judgingly as to discourage them from walking in so that the store may eventually close. Feel free to do the same at baby gap.
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so a niche, spendy chain store replacing an affordable, useful-to-just-about-everyone store is great for all of downtown? okay, whatever you say, Brutus.
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We'd get a Baby Gap. I don't see how that would improve downtown. Off the top of my head: 1. Consumers would have a convenient, affordable and good quality retail store to purchase children's clothing. 2. It would be a convenience to downtown residents to be able to walk to a store such as this - cuts down on the dreaded "car" traffic. 3. It would drive ancillary revenue to other retailers - I go to BabyGap to purchase clothing and stop by Torico's for a cone on the walk home. 4. It creates J-O-B-S - more jobs than say a small, mom and pop retailer could potentially create. GAP offers outlets to advancement into retail management positions, etc. 5. It creates a stable retail store with potential longevity in the neighborhood - GAP has the stability to ensure timely rental payments, facade upkeep, exterior maintenance 6. It creates a stable rental income to the landlord who has worked hard to own and maintain his property in Jersey City
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So we shouldn't do anything "you" don't see as being good for downtown right? If baby gap opened and was profitable that still would not matter because you don't see it as being good? You related to Julius Cesar in any way?
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If, say, Downtown Hardware were to close because of astronomical rents, would a chain hardware store take its place? Probably not. We'd get a Baby Gap. I don't see how that would improve downtown.
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The ordinance is already on the agenda for the April 22 meeting. It's item 3.c. You can now read the ordinance for yourself and see the point others already made: It doesn't limit formula businesses to no more than 30% of the commercial space downtown. Instead, it limits the use of formula businesses to 30% of the space within a single structure or a single tax lot. You can see the language of the ordinance itself by clicking here and going to PDF pages 58-69. The language is on page 68. "All commercial retail areas within each structure or within a single tax lot shall limit formula business establishments ... to a maximum of 30% of ground floor gross leasable commercial area." What that effectively means is that all of the small tax lots downtown are off limits to chains. Look at a typical storefront on Newark Avenue or Grove Street or Jersey Avenue, with 20-25 feet of frontage. How are you going to subdivide that tax lot so that no more than 30% is rented to a formula business? You can't. So it would have barred the owners of the old Hard Grove space from leasing it to PNC Bank. The banks and the Chipotles and the H&R Blocks and even Two Boots would have to go the new apartment towers, which have tax lots large enough that a 30% subdivision is actually workable. Or to other large tax lots, like the financial building at 95 Columbus with several storefronts on Grove Street. Would Duane Reade have been allowed? It depends how you do the math. If you count the Grove Pointe parking structure, Duane Reade probably is 30% or less of the ground floor. If you don't count the parking, the Duane Reade space is probably more than 30%. But is parking part of "ground floor gross leasable commercial area"?
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FYI Office Depot on Washington St (formerly Barnes & Noble) is closing. The people of Hoboken have spoken!
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Folks. Just to put the "we need to nip the problem in the bud" argument to rest, one need only look at Washington Street in Hoboken, arguably 10 years ahead of JC in gentrification. If you take out the banks and phone stores (which can really only be chains), chain stores amount to well under 20% of ALL stores. (I'm happy to share the data with anyone interested.) I would only repeat that this is a solution in search of a problem. Great PR but not a problem.
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I am the one that said that! Did you mean to quote me as a sarcastic or ironic statement? :) Of course, I do not want for DTJC to become a mecca of nondescript fast food and big box chains, but I have little concern, fear or reason to believe that will happen. It hasn't happened, and no one can point to any sort of indication that is in the brink of happening. I will simply the restate the same as before: this is a solution in search of a problem.
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If Jersey City adds and holds onto a ton of chains, then it must mean that "we" did want it to happen.
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I can't say I care that much and furthermore, don't see how it would happen anyway. I make a point to patronize local stores as much as possible, but when and if they can't meet my needs, or it's not all that convenient, I have no shame about going to a chain store. It's up to us as the people to prevent Jersey City from becoming another "non-descript suburb" (which, as the second largest city in New Jersey, is not likely to happen). Not the local government. That stretch between Edison and Princeton is wide open, outer suburban space where there is plenty of room for the big box stores. It never had much "small town charm" to begin with. Most of the portions of the city covered by Fulop's proposal are too small for most chain stores to have a location in the first place. That's where I get confused about this proposal. As happy as I am in Jersey City, whatever stores and restaurants that come in here would not make me feel much differently about the place. My philosophy has always been, never love something that can't love you back.
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