caj11 wrote:
The food trucks, from what I can tell are still operating at least 300 feet from nearest restaurant on Grove Plaza, the food tables, on the other hand, may not be. But the tables may not fit the definition of "mobile food vendor establishment[s]" in the way that food trucks do, in the ordinance. Everything is definitely 300 feet away from Ibby's and Two Boots in any case, and they seem to be the biggest complainers about all this.

I also agree with JCMan8, we have businesses here using the government to force the competition out, and denying the consumers their freedom to choose. Furthermore, I still don't get the Two Boots case. NO food trucks sell pizza and NO ONE at the market sells pizza. Ibby's of course has a stronger case because there are mobile food vendors that sell some of the same items. But maybe Ibby's should just give people a reason to walk to their establishment because of better food, rather than using the government to reduce its competition.

bodhipooh wrote:
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caj11 wrote:
Also, where's this city ordinance with the 300 foot rule? I sure haven't read anything about that in any of the news stories. Why don't you post that?

Just because you don't believe it doesn't exist, it doesn't you are right. You are being very argumentative on this thread, so I am hesitant to inject myself in this conversation. But, I am doing so only to post the ordinance in question. See below for the actual ordinance. The emphasis (bold lettering) is mine to point out the actual details in question. Aaron, from Two Boots, is correct about the law.

? 175-10. - Use of streets by mobile food vendors; physically handicapped persons. [Amended 5-10-2006 by Ord. No. 06-064; ; ; ]
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No person conducting, operating as a mobile food vendor shall be permitted to sell food or drink within the area designated as The Journal Square Special Improvement District, which area is more particularly described by block and lot numbers and street addresses as set forth in Schedule A to Chapter 69 of this Code on file in the Office of the Jersey City Clerk. No person conducting, operating or maintaining a mobile food vendor establishment, shall be permitted to sell food or drink within three hundred (300) feet of any licensed eating and drinking establishment, nor shall he or she be permitted to remain in any location for a period exceeding one hundred twenty (120) minutes during a four-hour period. The provisions of this section shall be enforced by the Police Department and the Division of Health.

BTW, in the future, you can look up ordinances and laws by using the municode website, which is excellent and has seen some improvements as of late. Here is the link: Jersey City Municipal Codes

bodhipooh wrote:
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caj11 wrote:
Also, where's this city ordinance with the 300 foot rule? I sure haven't read anything about that in any of the news stories. Why don't you post that?

Just because you don't believe it doesn't exist, it doesn't you are right. You are being very argumentative on this thread, so I am hesitant to inject myself in this conversation. But, I am doing so only to post the ordinance in question. See below for the actual ordinance. The emphasis (bold lettering) is mine to point out the actual details in question. Aaron, from Two Boots, is correct about the law.

? 175-10. - Use of streets by mobile food vendors; physically handicapped persons. [Amended 5-10-2006 by Ord. No. 06-064; ; ; ]
A.
No person conducting, operating as a mobile food vendor shall be permitted to sell food or drink within the area designated as The Journal Square Special Improvement District, which area is more particularly described by block and lot numbers and street addresses as set forth in Schedule A to Chapter 69 of this Code on file in the Office of the Jersey City Clerk. No person conducting, operating or maintaining a mobile food vendor establishment, shall be permitted to sell food or drink within three hundred (300) feet of any licensed eating and drinking establishment, nor shall he or she be permitted to remain in any location for a period exceeding one hundred twenty (120) minutes during a four-hour period. The provisions of this section shall be enforced by the Police Department and the Division of Health.

BTW, in the future, you can look up ordinances and laws by using the municode website, which is excellent and has seen some improvements as of late. Here is the link: Jersey City Municipal Codes

caj11 wrote:
Also, where's this city ordinance with the 300 foot rule? I sure haven't read anything about that in any of the news stories. Why don't you post that?

TwoBootsJC wrote:
No worries Ken. Thankfully we've received lots of support from people in the area who understand that the downtown is improving because people are investing in brick and mortar, fixing up decrepit old buildings, hiring Jersey City residents, paying taxes and doing for the community all of the things that brick and mortar stores do (and that food trucks and tables don't). And I won't out the other restaurants. They haven't given me the authority to alienate people like you on their behalf.

And caj11 (whoever you are), your accusation that I don't want to compete is a joke. There's no one who has more competition than Two Boots. Have you counted the pizzerias? Please. And, by the way, I welcome it. But competition needs to be fair. When the government (or HDSID) steps in and offers subsidized, way below market rent in Jersey City's best location, to vendors who have made none of the investments that we have, and have none of the costs, that ain't fair. Maybe in your book, but not mine (or any economist's that I know of).

On that note, I'm done.

JCMan8 wrote:
If this makes governments more accepting of food trucks I'm all for it. I remember the Two Boots owner tried to get them banned from the Grove Street Farmer's Market.

TwoBootsJC wrote:
Hi JCMan8,

Just to set the record straight, 21 downtown restaurants, of which Two Boots is only one, have asked the Historic Downtown Special Improvement District to stop selling prepared foods at the farmers' market and run it like New York City, which has the leading green market program in the country and does not allow prepared foods of any kind. That would mean eliminating people selling "ready to eat food" from tables and, yes, from food trucks as well. (Just so you know, the sale of such foods both violates the HDSID's charter - which is to support local member-businesses - and Jersey City law, which requires a 300 foot buffer between food trucks and restaurants.)

Having said that, I am 100% behind any program that helps ex-cons find employment. I would imagine that the other signatories to the letter feel likewise.

Aaron (and what was your name?)