score09 wrote:
Well, I looked at the flyer today and managed without the slightest degree of difficulty to comprehend fully that the rally is set for today, March 26th, 2014. Moreover, whoever created the flyer took the time to distribute its message by making the rounds and posting it for the community to see. You think we live in a democracy? That economic elites have no sway in political matters? Were this passed, it most certainly WOULD make it a crime to be poor since it aims to target the poor. This type of grassroots effort -- however misguided and ?idiotic? you THINK it is -- ought to be LAUDED. Not to be met with cynicism, derision and disdain.

So, to characterize the flyer as ?dumb? based on a typographical error that a fourth grader could easily deduce and by disparaging the time and effort vested to rise up and challenge the status quo is really quite smart. Not.

As to the ?dumb? ideas underlying the proposed ordinance, I?ll agree that it makes little sense to impose monetary fines upon the homeless. This much I?ll give you. But only from a humanitarian stance and not a pragmatic one.


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caj11 wrote:

Let's just say... dumb on both sides.

This proposed law is just dumb, because enforcement would be impossible and how in the hell would a $1250 fine ever be collected from an alleged violator?

Furthermore, this flyer is dumb too, because Jersey City doesn't make any appropriations for defense spending and/or the war in Iraq (or anywhere else). Nor can it be said that the city makes it a "crime to be poor".

I would love to see whatever circus this council meeting turns into. Two sets of idiots duking it out.

Oh, and according to this flyer, the protest was planned and happened a year ago, on a Tuesday (March 26, 2013???).

caj11 wrote:

Let's just say... dumb on both sides.

This proposed law is just dumb, because enforcement would be impossible and how in the hell would a $1250 fine ever be collected from an alleged violator?

Furthermore, this flyer is dumb too, because Jersey City doesn't make any appropriations for defense spending and/or the war in Iraq (or anywhere else). Nor can it be said that the city makes it a "crime to be poor".

I would love to see whatever circus this council meeting turns into. Two sets of idiots duking it out.

Oh, and according to this flyer, the protest was planned and happened a year ago, on a Tuesday (March 26, 2013???).

JPhurst wrote:
This has been put on hold.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... .html#incart_river_hudson

WhoElseCouldIBe wrote:
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score09 wrote:
Saw a flyer today posted on the SE corner of Hamilton Park saying there is to be a rally today in opposition to proposed ordinance but no information on the flyer as to a time.

Jersey City doesn't have money for war and this law doesn't make it a crime to be poor.

score09 wrote:
Saw a flyer today posted on the SE corner of Hamilton Park saying there is to be a rally today in opposition to proposed ordinance but no information on the flyer as to a time.

vindication15 wrote:
you mean grove street embarrassments. They violate loitering laws all the time, decrease property values, prevent new businesses from opening, and on and on. They should be put in jail for the millions they have cost JC

Bill463 wrote:
Paco and Taco! I can never recall their names. He has an apartment on Wayne? Well I suppose that's good. I just assumed from the couple's condition that they were homeless. Spring has sprung and the shopping cart is on the move again! I again saw them for the first time this Spring last week. She had her first fresh black eye of the season. They are really sorta kinda like the Newark Ave. - Grove Street ambassadors.

Bill463 wrote:
Yes yesterday on Facebook Mayor Fulop announced a new crackdown on the homeless. Spring has sprung and that lovely couple ( I forget their names here - Tiki and Tackey? Mimi and Mackey?) have returned for another season! I don't like it when he gets so horribly drunk and pushes her around in the shopping cart in the middle of the street. Once I was delayed a long time on Wayne Street as they just came to a complete stop right in the middle. Does anyone know where they go for the winter? Like clockwork they are back! I don't believe that there is much help for these poor souls - mental illness and drug addiction took over long ago.

Bill463 wrote:
Yes yesterday on Facebook Mayor Fulop announced a new crackdown on the homeless. Spring has sprung and that lovely couple ( I forget their names here - Tiki and Tackey? Mimi and Mackey?) have returned for another season! I don't like it when he gets so horribly drunk and pushes her around in the shopping cart in the middle of the street. Once I was delayed a long time on Wayne Street as they just came to a complete stop right in the middle. Does anyone know where they go for the winter? Like clockwork they are back! I don't believe that there is much help for these poor souls - mental illness and drug addiction took over long ago.

caj11 wrote:
If there's any way to enforce this law (which I doubt), that's great. Otherwise, it's just another toothless piece of legislation that the city council will pass to make themselves look like they got something done.

Anyway, isn't there some kind of state law against this already? I think there is, and would say that enforcement of it has been non-existent.

JCMan2013 wrote:
Hey in all serious though, I saw the cops actually tell one of the homeless guys that lives outside of the Box restaurant to move the other day. I was very surprised as and pleased to see this.

I don't see how some of the businesses like the Box will survive with a gang of homeless people living next door. I know it stops me from wanting to walk on that side of the street.

did some new rule come about?