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From drab to fab, Jersey City's alluring architecture is making "Chilltown" hot

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style ... e-1.1713502#ixzz2vJ3Kjo88

Weird article and an obvious developer paid fluff piece. They're decrying the drab, characterless developments of 20 years ago while pumping the new characterless developments.

Perhaps, but I find this quote encouraging:

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The LeFrak team is now hard at work reversing missteps of earlier decades. Many of the older buildings are being revamped with new storefronts and amenities to make them more attractive inside and out. New landscaping and public programming is also trying to enliven the streetscape, which had been more driven by cars.

Any attempt to integrate the Newport neighborhood into the surrounding communities is a nice step forward. I know it will take a while, but still...

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From drab to fab, Jersey City's alluring architecture is making "Chilltown" hot

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style ... e-1.1713502#ixzz2vJ3Kjo88

Weird article and an obvious developer paid fluff piece. They're decrying the drab, characterless developments of 20 years ago while pumping the new characterless developments.

The LeFrak team is now hard at work reversing missteps of earlier decades. Many of the older buildings are being revamped with new storefronts and amenities to make them more attractive inside and out. New landscaping and public programming is also trying to enliven the streetscape, which had been more driven by cars.

user1111 wrote:
From drab to fab, Jersey City's alluring architecture is making "Chilltown" hot

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style ... e-1.1713502#ixzz2vJ3Kjo88

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Access to transit was not my concern. Access to the JC nightlife was what I referenced. Around Grove street exists restaurant row on Newark Ave. There are also a few nice places on Manilla and Grove. Thus, I was pointing out the distance to socializing. I assumed this was obvious based on my subsequent statement that Newport is boring and vanilla...

You mentioned the walk to the PATH as opposed to the JSQ projects. That's not right.

As to nightlife, Newport is right by the Hoboken spots.

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Newport is not much closer to Grove than Journal Square is. Think about restaurant row on Newark Ave. Do a simple Google Map of it and you?re looking at a 5 minute difference walking to Barcade, or a dollar or two price difference in a cab.

Anyone with half an ounce of reading comprehension could follow the two sentences and realize that I was talking about food and nightlife.

As for Hoboken, it's a mile and a half walk to get to there. That is a further distance than Grove Street area.

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I won?t argue that the prices should be the same, but Newport condos do have a walk to the PATH. From my understanding, these buildings will basically have a PATH entrance inside them.

Clearly this had nothing to do with the PATH.

As to distance, it is under a mile along the river with no traffic stops. One can make it in under 10 minutes. Granted, Grove is roughly the same in terms of distance, but because you cross traffic lights it takes longer. Journal Square really is 1.5 miles from Grove and over 2 miles from Hoboken. Let me point out again that you're a moron.

Yes the PATH was mentioned in reference to a walk. It was also in a completely different paragraph separated by another paragraph.

It really is simple reading comprehension...

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Access to transit was not my concern. Access to the JC nightlife was what I referenced. Around Grove street exists restaurant row on Newark Ave. There are also a few nice places on Manilla and Grove. Thus, I was pointing out the distance to socializing. I assumed this was obvious based on my subsequent statement that Newport is boring and vanilla...

You mentioned the walk to the PATH as opposed to the JSQ projects. That's not right.

As to nightlife, Newport is right by the Hoboken spots.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Where in here does PATH get mentioned:
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Newport is not much closer to Grove than Journal Square is. Think about restaurant row on Newark Ave. Do a simple Google Map of it and you?re looking at a 5 minute difference walking to Barcade, or a dollar or two price difference in a cab.

Anyone with half an ounce of reading comprehension could follow the two sentences and realize that I was talking about food and nightlife.

As for Hoboken, it's a mile and a half walk to get to there. That is a further distance than Grove Street area.

Are you serious? Here's what you wrote:

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I won?t argue that the prices should be the same, but Newport condos do have a walk to the PATH. From my understanding, these buildings will basically have a PATH entrance inside them.

Clearly this had nothing to do with the PATH.

As to distance, it is under a mile along the river with no traffic stops. One can make it in under 10 minutes. Granted, Grove is roughly the same in terms of distance, but because you cross traffic lights it takes longer. Journal Square really is 1.5 miles from Grove and over 2 miles from Hoboken. Let me point out again that you're a moron.

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but there is so much more to do in Hoboken than jc

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Access to transit was not my concern. Access to the JC nightlife was what I referenced. Around Grove street exists restaurant row on Newark Ave. There are also a few nice places on Manilla and Grove. Thus, I was pointing out the distance to socializing. I assumed this was obvious based on my subsequent statement that Newport is boring and vanilla...

You mentioned the walk to the PATH as opposed to the JSQ projects. That's not right.

As to nightlife, Newport is right by the Hoboken spots.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Where in here does PATH get mentioned:
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Pebble wrote:
Newport is not much closer to Grove than Journal Square is. Think about restaurant row on Newark Ave. Do a simple Google Map of it and you?re looking at a 5 minute difference walking to Barcade, or a dollar or two price difference in a cab.

Anyone with half an ounce of reading comprehension could follow the two sentences and realize that I was talking about food and nightlife.

As for Hoboken, it's a mile and a half walk to get to there. That is a further distance than Grove Street area.

I won?t argue that the prices should be the same, but Newport condos do have a walk to the PATH. From my understanding, these buildings will basically have a PATH entrance inside them.

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Access to transit was not my concern. Access to the JC nightlife was what I referenced. Around Grove street exists restaurant row on Newark Ave. There are also a few nice places on Manilla and Grove. Thus, I was pointing out the distance to socializing. I assumed this was obvious based on my subsequent statement that Newport is boring and vanilla...

You mentioned the walk to the PATH as opposed to the JSQ projects. That's not right.

As to nightlife, Newport is right by the Hoboken spots.

Pebble wrote:
Newport is not much closer to Grove than Journal Square is. Think about restaurant row on Newark Ave. Do a simple Google Map of it and you?re looking at a 5 minute difference walking to Barcade, or a dollar or two price difference in a cab.

Pebble wrote:
Access to transit was not my concern. Access to the JC nightlife was what I referenced. Around Grove street exists restaurant row on Newark Ave. There are also a few nice places on Manilla and Grove. Thus, I was pointing out the distance to socializing. I assumed this was obvious based on my subsequent statement that Newport is boring and vanilla...

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But JSQ vs. waterfront isn't that kind of question. Waterfront is just superior. It is like comparing 140th Street in NYC to W. 72nd Street on Central Park in Manhattan. Paying the same for both just doesn't make sense.

I won?t argue that the prices should be the same, but Newport condos do have a walk to the PATH. From my understanding, these buildings will basically have a PATH entrance inside them.

This project is part of a renaissance of the area (at least in theory). The towers will go up and the restaurants and eateries in the area should improve to service those paying luxury rental prices.

Newport is not much closer to Grove than Journal Square is. Think about restaurant row on Newark Ave. Do a simple Google Map of it and you?re looking at a 5 minute difference walking to Barcade, or a dollar or two price difference in a cab.

I personally find the Newport section very boring and vanilla. The restaurants over there are overpriced for average food or they are chains. I would take the Indian restaurants over them every day of the week.

In terms of safety, there really isn?t much of an argument. Newport does have that. This should be the price difference. I also expect it to be priced at a lower point than Newport when the project finally comes online.

You do realize that Newport has a PATH station that is right there, right? No one from Newport walks to Grove PATH. In fact, Newport is close to both the Hoboken and Newport PATH stations, plus the ferry from Hoboken (used to have a ferry terminal right there, too). I hated living at Newport but their access to transport was phenomenal, and the Journal Square project will not beat Newport in this regard.

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But JSQ vs. waterfront isn't that kind of question. Waterfront is just superior. It is like comparing 140th Street in NYC to W. 72nd Street on Central Park in Manhattan. Paying the same for both just doesn't make sense.

I won?t argue that the prices should be the same, but Newport condos do have a walk to the PATH. From my understanding, these buildings will basically have a PATH entrance inside them.

This project is part of a renaissance of the area (at least in theory). The towers will go up and the restaurants and eateries in the area should improve to service those paying luxury rental prices.

Newport is not much closer to Grove than Journal Square is. Think about restaurant row on Newark Ave. Do a simple Google Map of it and you?re looking at a 5 minute difference walking to Barcade, or a dollar or two price difference in a cab.

I personally find the Newport section very boring and vanilla. The restaurants over there are overpriced for average food or they are chains. I would take the Indian restaurants over them every day of the week.

In terms of safety, there really isn?t much of an argument. Newport does have that. This should be the price difference. I also expect it to be priced at a lower point than Newport when the project finally comes online.

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Back to the OP instead of the tiresome old NY vs JC vs Bkln arguments.

I can tell you one thing that going to hold JSQ back. What attracts people with kids to Downtown & Hoboken that JSQ will likely never have? PARKS! Look at a map, there's simply no parks in the entire district. Moms will not be strolling their tykes to Enos Jones or Pershing Field every day. Sure a lot of Downtown folks will hop on the train or ferry for an outing to BPC, but would they move where ANY outing was long distance? Both the Heights and B-L are far better served in this category, especially when the new park on Garfield is completed.

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But JSQ vs. waterfront isn't that kind of question. Waterfront is just superior. It is like comparing 140th Street in NYC to W. 72nd Street on Central Park in Manhattan. Paying the same for both just doesn't make sense.

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Back to the OP instead of the tiresome old NY vs JC vs Bkln arguments.

I can tell you one thing that going to hold JSQ back. What attracts people with kids to Downtown & Hoboken that JSQ will likely never have? PARKS! Look at a map, there's simply no parks in the entire district. Moms will not be strolling their tykes to Enos Jones or Pershing Field every day. Sure a lot of Downtown folks will hop on the train or ferry for an outing to BPC, but would they move where ANY outing was long distance? Both the Heights and B-L are far better served in this category, especially when the new park on Garfield is completed.

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I can't think of any city in which the area surrounding the main bus or train terminal would be considered a desirable place to live.

Newark Penn Station/Ironbound

maybe desirable is in the mind of each inhabitant, though

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I can't think of any city in which the area surrounding the main bus or train terminal would be considered a desirable place to live.

off the top of my very urbanized head:
Gare de Lyon/ XII arrondissement of Paris
Gare Montparnasse/XIV arrondissement Paris
Grand Central Station/ Midtown East Manhattan
Penn Station/Hudson Yards - Manhattan - eventually
Newark Penn Station/Ironbound
Gares Perrache or Part-Dieu/Lyon, especially Perrache

maybe desirable is in the mind of each inhabitant, though

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I can't think of any city in which the area surrounding the main bus or train terminal would be considered a desirable place to live.

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I can't think of any city in which the area surrounding the main bus or train terminal would be considered a desirable place to live.

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KRE, Kushner says, plans to price its Journal Squared rentals at around $300 less per unit than its downtown Jersey City project, and at around $500 to $600 less per unit than its waterfront rentals. He expects rents will begin at roughly $1,500 a month for studios and go up to $3,500 for three-bedrooms.


Wow... I thought I was doing well getting $1,850 for a three bedroom. There is really that much demand for $3,500 per month three bedroom apartments?

These are projections, when the buildings are completed in a few years don't be surprised if the rents are closer to what is being charged on the waterfront for similar units. The cost of new construction which continues to rise and the marketplace will dictate the final rent levels.

Why would anyone pay waterfront prices to live in JSQ?

I ask myself regularly why would any one pay 2500 or more to rent anywhere in Jersey City, but folks do. I wouldn't, I would head back to Brooklyn.

Explain that for us. Your statement implies that Brooklyn is somehow superior, which I don't buy. I can buy that Manhattan is better but I draw the line at Brooklyn. In addition, luxury modern construction in Brooklyn is no cheaper, and many of us work in NJ, so commuting from Brooklyn to further out in NJ wouldn't work.

But JSQ vs. waterfront isn't that kind of question. Waterfront is just superior. It is like comparing 140th Street in NYC to W. 72nd Street on Central Park in Manhattan. Paying the same for both just doesn't make sense.

I am born in raised in Brooklyn and in my mind it will always be superior to JC, better schools, night life, culture, and 24 hr transportation... and in some ways even better than Manhattan.

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Just curious why you hated Newport with such a passion. It's clean, has reasonable access to amenities, great views and commute to NY. I could see not liking it - it's not really my taste either - but HATING it and looking to move after a month?

Neighbor/management drama. I'll leave it at that.

But you're right about all of that. The thing to note though is that it has a very specific crowd that lives there. It is very different than say, downtown JC, or NYC, or pretty much anywhere else I have lived. It didn't mesh at all. I will also note that the construction quality is absolute crap. You can hear everything. Far too many people there tend to live in apartments and you have people quite literally renting beds in their hallways.

Moved after a few months and have been very happy in JC since.

I agree with you a 100% on this. I dated someone who lived there and hated the vibe of the area and the apartment had paper walls for all that $$$ did not make sense to me.

6 freakin' people.

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Just curious why you hated Newport with such a passion. It's clean, has reasonable access to amenities, great views and commute to NY. I could see not liking it - it's not really my taste either - but HATING it and looking to move after a month?

Neighbor/management drama. I'll leave it at that.

But you're right about all of that. The thing to note though is that it has a very specific crowd that lives there. It is very different than say, downtown JC, or NYC, or pretty much anywhere else I have lived. It didn't mesh at all. I will also note that the construction quality is absolute crap. You can hear everything. Far too many people there tend to live in apartments and you have people quite literally renting beds in their hallways.

Moved after a few months and have been very happy in JC since.

I agree with you a 100% on this. I dated someone who lived there and hated the vibe of the area and the apartment had paper walls for all that $$$ did not make sense to me.

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Just curious why you hated Newport with such a passion. It's clean, has reasonable access to amenities, great views and commute to NY. I could see not liking it - it's not really my taste either - but HATING it and looking to move after a month?

Neighbor/management drama. I'll leave it at that.

But you're right about all of that. The thing to note though is that it has a very specific crowd that lives there. It is very different than say, downtown JC, or NYC, or pretty much anywhere else I have lived. It didn't mesh at all. I will also note that the construction quality is absolute crap. You can hear everything. Far too many people there tend to live in apartments and you have people quite literally renting beds in their hallways.

Moved after a few months and have been very happy in JC since.

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Just curious why you hated Newport with such a passion. It's clean, has reasonable access to amenities, great views and commute to NY. I could see not liking it - it's not really my taste either - but HATING it and looking to move after a month?

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I have lived in over a dozen rentals and places and never once considered ditching the place and getting out. With Newport, we started listing the apartment on CL within a month of moving in.

A dozen rentals !

Boy thats a lot. I wonder who or what could possibly have caused you to continually keep moving ? Lets hope the 'we' didn't have to suffer too much stress with all the moves!

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I have lived in over a dozen rentals and places and never once considered ditching the place and getting out. With Newport, we started listing the apartment on CL within a month of moving in.