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They do the Airtrains via fare gates on the way out, no reason that couldn't be expanded to the PATH.
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I think this can work. But they need to adjust the fare structure of the PATH system. The guy taking the train one stop (4 minutes) b/t Exchange and WTC shouldn't be paying the same as the guy going from Newark to 33rd.
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Corporate cronyism is the only logical explanation for this project.
Posted on: 2014/10/1 22:18
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I got the impression (maybe from another thread here, or one elsewhere?) that this is only happening at all because of a deal the Port Authority made with United Airlines -- they added flights to the Atlantic City airport, which the PA has taken over, and in exchange they get the PATH train to EWR.
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Agreed Moobycow (go RU 4-1) - the prioritization of this is so bad. Things that deserve more priority:
- Signal system - Platform extensions - Increased train frequency - Accepting unlimited Metrocards to make for a less provincial transportation system. AKA, things that will affect the capacity/efficiency of a system that desperately, desperately needs it today and in the future.
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Fair enough, then why not perhaps extend our light rail to Newark airport instead and get an extra 16 stops along the way ;) The point isn't that they are comparable infrastructure the point is the sort of benefits that could be achieved for $1.5B well spent on transit vs a 2 mile extension to save a single transfer between lines for $1.5B Granted Austin is likely much cheaper than NJ to work in, but this is a damn lot of money for a pretty small benefit.
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Light rail built along the surface is not an equal comparison to building an elevated heavy rail line.
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Gotta pay those NJ unions.
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Meanwhile in Austin they get a brand new 9.5 mile line with 16 stations in an area with no existing right away for $1.4B.
http://projectconnect.com/central-corridor-urban-rail
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It's not that this is a bad idea, it's that it should be pretty damn far down on the list of priorities. Instead of a two seat ride to the airport for downtown NY you now have 1. You already had a single seat ride from mid-town.
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i don't understand why it takes 4 years to start construction
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Construction on PATH airport extension to start in 2018
By Steve Strunsky | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com October 01, 2014 at 7:56 AM NEWARK ? Construction on an extension of PATH service to Newark Liberty International Airport is scheduled to begin in late 2018 and be completed five years later, according to documents from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. A request for proposals, or RFP, to manage the $1.5 billion project issued on Sept. 26 calls for construction to begin in the first quarter of 2018, with completion scheduled for the fourth quarter of 2023. The management contract for the project is to be awarded by the end of this year, according to the the RFP, which notes that the dates are subject to change. Proponents of the project say it would provide a one-seat mass transit link between the airport and the heart of the metropolitan area it serves, an amenity that has come to be expected by frequent fliers. Planners and transit advocates say a PATH airport extension would also provide a convenient and affordable commuting option for airport workers in Hudson and Essex counties as well as New York. Environmentalists have embraced the project as a means of reducing automobile traffic. Support dates back at least to the late 1970's, when an advisory panel recommended the link. The Port Authority commissioned a study that recommended the project in 2012, and it was included in the agency's current $27.6 billion 10-year capital plan adopted in February, though without a specific time frame. A Port Authority spokesman, Steve Coleman, confirmed that Friday's RFP was the first document to lay out a schedule for the project, but cautioned that the dates were not set in stone. Proponents nonetheless welcomed word that construction was now at least tentatively scheduled to begin. "21st Century transportation is vital if we're going to compete with major airports around the country and the globe," said Joe Sitt, chaiman of the Global Gateway Alliance, an airport advocacy group. "So we're glad to see the Port Authority putting concrete milestones on the table toward making a one-seat ride from the World Trade Center PATH to Newark Airport a reality." The extension is to run from the PATH's western terminus at Newark Penn Station, along an existing Northeast Corridor right of way used by Amtrak and New Jersey Transit trains. NJ Transit already provides heavy rail service between Newark Penn and Newark Liberty via a station on the Northeast Corridor linked to the air terminals and other areas by the airport monorail. The PATH extension would be largely redundant, following the same route and using the same monorail link. But riders could continue on PATH trains from Newark Penn on to Harrison, Jersey City stops at Journal Square, Grove Street and Exchange Place and at the World Trade Center in Manhattan. With a single transfer, PATH riders from Hoboken or Manhattan's West Side could also reach the airport, albeit in a two-seat ride. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2014 ... ion_to_start_in_2018.html
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They should make it like the JFK airtrain and have a separate fare from existing Newark station to planned airport EWR station. Let that fare help pay for the existing bonds and future maintenance fees.
Most likely path train will go to $3 and Holland tunnel $20 within a couple of years to pay for this.
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And how is this not for NJ? Many people have bitched about how its always easier to get to JFK or Laguardia. Now its easier to get to EWR by train everyone bitches again. I would rather prefer this than another train to NYC so a couple of people can say they're like NYC now. To pay around $3 (After eventual fare raise) to get to the airport sounds good to me. And you all seem to forget JC has many bankers who travel along with many businesses in Newark and many people in the area who work at the airport.
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+1 We'll pay with increased fares, tolls and worse commutes on the PATH.
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They're making an improvement on Jersey side. I'm not convinced that this helps out NYers so much more than it does NJ residents. I'm sure some NYers are complaining that they're paying for an improvement in NJ, when they have 2 airports in NYC that need improvements. NY & NJ both pay for the PA. If it's better for this metropolitan area for money to be spent in downtown Manhattan then so be it. Most Jersey City residents probably reap more benefits from investments in downtown New York, than investments in Harrison, NJ. Which side of the river of the boundary shouldn't matter, if it's benefiting the greater region. Some people are really hung up on living in the shadow of NYC.
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I agree Brewster!
Here's a snip about the rising price from 2nd Ave Sagas: ...Every time someone ? the Port Authority, a media leak, anyone ? discusses plans to extend the PATH train from Newark Penn Station to the airport a few miles away, the price goes up. When the plan first surfaced in September of 2012, the agency anticipated spending $600 million on design and construction. This past fall, Crain?s pegged the cost of the extension at $1 billion, and despite a report a few weeks ago that pegged the final price at $2-$4 billion, officially, the Port Authority predicts the PATH airport extension will cost $1.5 billion. It was officially unveiled today in a presentation to the Port Authority board, and if all goes according to plan, it will be open by 2024.
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Does anyone else see the irony in the 1st major PATH extension in a century being primarily to the benefit of New Yorkers rather than Jerseyans? Sure some JCers will use it, but far more trips will originate in Manhattan. But guess who'll pay for it like we're paying for the PA's erection in lower Manhattan?
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Is this going to be above ground or a tunnel underground directly there?
I'm sure there's already tunnels under there.
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ARC wasn't being built by the Port Authority, so that's a meaningless comparison. You could build both.
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"plans to" cautiously pessimistic
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Before they build anything, I'd like to see second exits at Christopher, 9th, 14th and 23rd.
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The PATH is so poorly run that even a high school student could do a better job. Maybe NJ Transit won't be able to do a better job but I cannot imagine it getting any worse. I was thinking more of finding new faces and leadership, outside of the Port Authority and NJ Transit.
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The money would have been better spent on the ARC Tunnel. I know the project is dead, but jus' sayin. Transferring from the PATH to NJ Transit to the airport is a little inconvenient but is not a high priority.
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I've always thought that due to the PA being a cesspool for cronyism and corruption but then control would go to NJ Transit. Is that really so much better?
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Best thing they can do for NJ is give up control of the PATH...
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As costly as that is I can get behind this project. Finally the PA does something worthwhile in NJ.
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So they can cost-justify raising PATH tickets for the next decade.
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