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Re: 3 shot at Pavonia PATH station: report By Margaret Schmidt/The Jersey Journal
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Great chart-looks like violent crime has dropped about 25 percent since stop and frisk started!
Mandatory sentences for, say, illegal gun possession is a great tool-it puts the criminals behind bars, unable to shoot innocent victims. Win/win!
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Port Authority police ID suspect in Jersey City PATH station shooting
By The Jersey Journal August 25, 2013 at 6:50 PM Port Authority police have identified Tari Turpin, 34, of East Orange, as the man who was arrested this morning in a shooting on a PATH train at the Pavonia/Newport Station in Jersey City. Three people, including Turpin, were shot this morning when gunfire erupted around 5:30 a.m., according to Port Authority Police spokesman Joe Pentangelo. Turpin has been charged with two counts of aggravated assault, possession of a weapon, possession of a weapon for unlawful purposes, eluding, and possession of hollow points bullets, said Pentangelo. Turpin was also charged with terroristic threats, risking widespread injury or damage, resisting arrest by flight, and unlawful possession of a weapon in that he has assault and other indictables in his criminal history, Pentangelo said. A 9mm Glock was recovered from Turpin when Port Authority police apprehended him at the nearby Pep Boys store, the Port Authority police spokesman said. Turpin, who was shot in the leg during the altercation, is undergoing surgery at the Jersey City Medical Center, according to a source. Turpin has previously served time for forgery, according to public records. According to a WABC-TV News account based on interviews with witnesses, a man physically collided with a woman aboard the train. When the woman's brother intervened, the man pulled a gun and shot the woman and her brother. The brother then pulled his own weapon and shot the man. Pentangelo could not confirm this story. He did say however that in addition to Turpin being shot in the leg, a woman was shot in the ankle and a man was shot in his hand. All three people were taken to the Jersey City Medical Center for treatment for non-life threatening injuries. No one besides Turpin has been charged with any crimes, but the investigation is ongoing and police are reviewing video surveillance. The Pavonia/Newport station has been reopened. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... hooting.html#incart_river
Posted on: 2013/8/26 1:55
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Re: 3 shot at Pavonia PATH station: report By Margaret Schmidt/The Jersey Journal
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Actually, it does seem there are cameras on the trains. I'm not sure, but it looks like there are some by the digital readout signs. Also, the conductors are nowhere to be found. They like to ride up front with the driver and operate the doors from there. I guess this keeps them from getting shot.
Posted on: 2013/8/26 1:42
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Interesting assumptions. It's probably safe to assume that the Turpin fellow who apparently had a forgery charge on him didn't have a permit, however there are countless guns here in NJ alone that are simply transported illegally into the state - they're not stolen. How do we know the other person didn't have a permit/legal gun? Neither news report I've seen has said anything either way, and the ABC report said that no one else has been charged yet. Also it's been shown, especially with the War on Drugs, that mandatory sentences don't do a damn thing to actually stop the crime - it just tends to punish people who shouldn't be punished.
Posted on: 2013/8/26 1:35
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Forgery on his rap-sheet. For all we know is that this guy forgerd his school report for a job - Siht ex Mayor Healy has got a better rap-sheet. Some have hang this guy already when none of us were a fly on the wall when the incident went down. The discussion needs more facts about all 3 persons and what actually happened on the train or did something else happen and the final 'bump' triggered the violent response - remembering they were all shot in the limbs .. no body or head shots
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Just wondering why cameras are not installed on the Path trains. Cameras should perhaps be manned 24/7, and if any unusual acts, offending situations, or suspicious situations are detected, those monitoring the cameras should have the police on the train (hopefully plain clothed and uniformed) dispatched to investigate the problem. If that "nutcase" was sleeping, leaning over, or extending onto someone else's seat, yes as minor as it may seem, the police should be dispatached to wake the fool up and make him sit within the confines of his own seat. Unfortuately this is a problem more often than not, and as simple as it may seem, look at the outcome. "Common sense" rules (besides addressing food) such as occupying only the one seat you paid for and other rules, should be posted. Although common sense rules seem simple and trivial this incident is just proof that they should be posted, and any offenders should be investigated and fined. And the cameras should be an absolute requirement on all trains.
Posted on: 2013/8/25 22:02
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Posted on: 2013/8/25 20:51
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The losers in the equation will be the minorities and minority neighborhoods. Go ask the law abiding citizens in Greenville if they'd like stop and frisk.
Posted on: 2013/8/25 20:50
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reading that it was one gunman who eventually managed to shoot himself, is a little more reasonable a story than two random people on a random train, both packing heat. I've had late night drunks fall asleep on my shoulder and am not shy about speaking up. it could just have easily been me.
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The NYPD has had a multi-year program of S&F based on pretty thin reasons -- e.g. "furtive movements." It's rarely in response to a reported crime. Quote: When they find someone matching the description they stop and frisk. Sometimes, in the course of this, they find drugs or weapons that have nothing to do with the crime they are investigating. Again, they almost never find guns. Most of the "drugs" they find are small amounts of pot. Y'know, the drug that may be legalized, for recreational use, in a few years.... There is really no indication that a wide-spread S&F policy does anything to improve safety. We need police. We don't need a police state.
Posted on: 2013/8/25 20:10
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Something tells me if these guys couldn't get their hands on a gun then they would just carry knives and this incident would have been about people getting stabbed instead of being shot.
My point is that simply making it harder to attain a gun solves nothing.
Posted on: 2013/8/25 20:04
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That seems very unlikely. I haven't seen any evidence that they are finding fewer guns now than when wide-spread S&F started. Quote: I for one am not alienated from the police. If they were searching you, and your friends, and your younger relatives on a regular basis, I think you'd change your tune. Quote: I am alienated from the people in our society who settle disagreements, arguments and insults violently. If the guy didn't have a gun, he would have taken some other violent action. I will say that a gun is more harmful, and likely to harm bystanders, than something like a knife. But the reality is that if you're going to live in a society that values freedom, there will always be people who abuse that freedom. Treating everyone like a suspect isn't going to stop that.
Posted on: 2013/8/25 20:02
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Stop and frisk isn't limited to cops seeing people with gun bulges, of course. It's in response to a crime being committed and reported, followed by police looking for suspects matching that description.
When they find someone matching the description they stop and frisk. Sometimes, in the course of this, they find drugs or weapons that have nothing to do with the crime they are investigating. This is a good thing to find, as is stops another crime from being committed. Sadly, the minorities that suffer from these crimes will be the ones who will suffer MORE from a decrease in stop and frisk.
Posted on: 2013/8/25 18:41
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Is there any way to determine whether the possibility of being stopped and frisked resulted in fewer people carrying guns? I for one am not alienated from the police. I am alienated from the people in our society who settle disagreements, arguments and insults violently.
Posted on: 2013/8/25 17:31
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A new variation of the story from ABC
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?sec ... cal/new_jersey&id=9218225
Posted on: 2013/8/25 17:22
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NYPD only found guns in 0.2% of stop-and-frisk searches. Quote: Two people in one PATH car both carrying (what I'm sure) are illegal guns, carried illegally is the problem... Regardless of anyone's beliefs on that particular matter, the fact is that unless we're going to flood the PATH trains with cops, some crimes simply cannot be prevented. Even if we turned the PATH trains into a miniature police state, something like this could still happen. Quote: Gee, have you not seen the murder rate drop in NYC over the years of stop and frisk? The evidence is quite clear that stop-and-frisk has very little to do with the drops in NYC's crime rate. At the risk of being far too brief: 1) Crime rates were falling long before S&F became a city-wide program. 2) There is no correlation between the massive increases in searches, and the small drops in crime. 3) The S&F program has resulted in a shockingly low number of arrests. 4) It's fairly clear that NYC's S&F program is discriminatory, and alienates the police from the public.
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I wonder if these are going to be federal charges because there is some intrastate component to this. I'm sure they carry a stiffer sentence and probably some mandatory sentencing.
I cannot believe two guys had guns on the Path even if it was 4am. Those trains are reasonably crowded and had just come from Hoboken. Absolutely terrifying.
Posted on: 2013/8/25 17:00
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One perp identified, with a rap sheet. Think he has a gun license/permit to carry, and a legal gun?
http://arrestfiles.org/publicinfo/tari-d-turpin
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Suspect has been arrested:
Port Authority police have identified Tari Turpin, 34, of East Orange, as the man who was arrested this morning in a shooting on a PATH train at the Pavonia/Newport Station in Jersey City. Read more So he is from the hood, but not the JC hood. I found this info online, not sure if related or not: Arrest record
Posted on: 2013/8/25 16:44
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'Allowed to have guns'? Do you think these short fused thugs have permits for their guns?
Posted on: 2013/8/25 16:33
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A lot of assumptions - Even law abiding citizens have a short fuse or temper (licensed or not) and it appears that we have 2 knuckle-heads with guns.
This highlights and confirms the adage that guns don't kill, people do .... therefore people shouldn't be allowed to have guns unless they are tested for any mental or anti-social behavioral issues. I guess in a few hours we'll get the who, what, and why about this incident on the nightly news.
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Posted on: 2013/8/25 15:13
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Yeah, I don't get it. I'm fine with stop and frisk.
Posted on: 2013/8/25 14:47
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I was on the this train, when this happened. I admit it was scary....especially the panick that ensued. Yet, I would still say dog poo is my biggest problem, over violence in my neighborhood (DTJC)
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Again you are being naive, put GV next to manhattan and its still a whole lot safer... You are more Likely to be shot, assaulted, raped, mugged, killed, etc in Manhattan (btw I grew up there and we always called it NYC or the city the outer boroughs were called by their first name) .. Visit spot crime. Anyway would love to school you but the weather is sick so headed for a bike ride. Good day.
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No I didn't, please provide the stats that back up your statement. While you're at it, I'd be interested in seeing a demographic breakdown of victims of crime - NYC vs JC. As a middle-aged white male I assume (perhaps, as you say, naively), that I am safe wherever I go.
Posted on: 2013/8/25 14:35
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What baffles me is that those 2individuals were carrying guns going into nyc. I mean, who carries guns as a normal part of their routine? I take the PATH daily and the only things I try to remember is my PATH card and Purell. I vote for metal detectors like they do in schools.
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I said Manhattan buddy, not entire NYC. I know entire NYC is not safe. There are some areas in Brooklyn that are even worst than the forests of Papua New Guinea which have cannibals!
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