nyrgravey9 wrote: No, I'm not with the Fulop administration, but working with the Ward Councilmen and neighborhood associations to effect change. The councils are pushing for passive and less confrontational changes such as signage, etc. But one of the purposes of my post was to call people to action. Call the non emergency police line and animal control when you see people doing this. Flood the channels with complaints and they'll have to address it. I believe I am with the majority on this, even if the majority it silent. It's a rallying cry baby! Quote:

Yojimbo wrote: Signage and outreach are nice, but nothing will change these people's behaviors unless the enforcement comes along with it. I've seen you "guarantee" that it will, but let's be honest, that's hollow unless you're actually in the Fulop administration. I have no reason to doubt you've been TOLD there will be more enforcement (or any at all, really). But new administrations are really good at making promises to everybody who comes to them with problems. But follwing through? We'll see. Quote:

nyrgravey9 wrote: It was an allusion to the upcoming argument/debate/negative posts. At the end of the day, you're probably right because the dog owners in this town have such a feeling of superiority and entitlement, little will probably change. However, this cause has never been led by someone as annoyingly persistent as myself. I will say that at the neighborhood level, things are happening behind the scenes, and you will see changes in time from the standpoint of signage, outreach and enforcement. That, I can guarantee. But you're right. People will still do what they do, but it can't hurt to try right?

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AngelSauce wrote:
I saw the most horrible thing yesterday afternoon at the corner of Grove and Columbus: A dog zoomed past me heading north on Grove, leash dangling from its neck and the owner in hot pursuit. The dog darted into the intersection and was hit by an east bound truck. I will never forget that awful sound of truck hitting dog and the screams of the owner. The dog eventually got up and continued to run west down Columbus with the owner still chasing. I doubt that it survived but you never know.

Even the most responsible dog owners can have bad luck. Why cheat fate and allow your dog to be purposely off leash? Setting aside the legal ramifications; it just isn't a very bright idea.

K9dergarten just posted about the dog and owner:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?se ... 55.166167960121517&type=3

Stacy Kiebler and her foster dad Joe were in a hit and run on Grove St in JC Tuesday 7/9 around 2:30pm. We need YOUR HELP to find the driver AND we need you to donate towards her upcoming surgeries. Joe was standing in front of city hall, crossing the street at the cross walk. A car turned onto Grove and hit Joe knocking him to the ground ! He dropped Stacy's leash who ran towards Columbus super scared. Joe got up and ran after her. He saw her pinned under a truck on Columbus and told the driver to move his truck. When Stacy was freed, she ran away into Dixon Mills where people helped to catch her, call the paramedics and the police.

JOE her foster dad is in a lot of pain and will be for several days. He did not have any broken bones. He is mostly concerned for Stacy and we hope both Joe and Stacy get better ASAP !

DID YOU SEE THE CAR WHO HIT JOE ? DO YOU HAVE ANY PICTURES ? PLEASE HELP US STOP ALL THE SPEEDING IN JC ! IF YOU SAW SOMETHING PLS GO TO THE POLICE !

PLEASE CONSIDER DONATING TO STACY'S UPCOMING SURGERY, ESTIMATES RANGE FROM $10-15K. CLICK ON http://tinyurl.com/SSRDonate AND CHECK OFF I'm sending money to family or friends so that we can get the WHOLE AMOUNT. THANK YOU !

AngelSauce wrote:
I saw the most horrible thing yesterday afternoon at the corner of Grove and Columbus: A dog zoomed past me heading north on Grove, leash dangling from its neck and the owner in hot pursuit. The dog darted into the intersection and was hit by an east bound truck. I will never forget that awful sound of truck hitting dog and the screams of the owner. The dog eventually got up and continued to run west down Columbus with the owner still chasing. I doubt that it survived but you never know.

Even the most responsible dog owners can have bad luck. Why cheat fate and allow your dog to be purposely off leash? Setting aside the legal ramifications; it just isn't a very bright idea.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Apologies again folks, for people like Vigilante who, as I stated before, offer nothing to the discourse but useless comments and overall asinine remarks.

When you live in a crime-ridden crack hole like Vigilante, smaller matters such as this typically take a back seat (which is understandable). But for the rest of us who live in civilization, and can focus on more than one topic at the same time, we can soldier on.

Overall though, keep the good stuff coming from both sides of the discussion.

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o73o2 wrote:
A suggestion to -- potentially -- solve the problem:

Perhaps, we should start photographing unleashed dogs and their owners and posting those pictures here on the JCList.

Thoughts?

While I wouldn't endorse that, I will say it's a pretty smart idea lol.

I'll start:




Hamilton Park, this morning.

AngelSauce wrote:
I saw the most horrible thing yesterday afternoon at the corner of Grove and Columbus: A dog zoomed past me heading north on Grove, leash dangling from its neck and the owner in hot pursuit. The dog darted into the intersection and was hit by an east bound truck. I will never forget that awful sound of truck hitting dog and the screams of the owner. The dog eventually got up and continued to run west down Columbus with the owner still chasing. I doubt that it survived but you never know.

Even the most responsible dog owners can have bad luck. Why cheat fate and allow your dog to be purposely off leash? Setting aside the legal ramifications; it just isn't a very bright idea.

jwave wrote:
My sense is that nyrgravey9 speaks for the silent (or seldom heard for) majority of community members, including lots community-minded dog owners. Cajoling folks to behave better toward their neighbors is laudible, and respecting boundaries when using common areas is at the heart of being a solid citizen. Everyone on this board who agrees should post support for the OP (referendum-style). This will let the "entitled" minority understand that their actions are breeding serious ill-will and may embolden all other to confront this behavior when they see it (in a courteous way, of course). The idea that we should tolerate this because it has gone on for a long time or that there are other problems in community (which is obviously true) should be put to rest.

Yojimbo wrote:
Signage and outreach are nice, but nothing will change these people's behaviors unless the enforcement comes along with it. I've seen you "guarantee" that it will, but let's be honest, that's hollow unless you're actually in the Fulop administration. I have no reason to doubt you've been TOLD there will be more enforcement (or any at all, really). But new administrations are really good at making promises to everybody who comes to them with problems.

But follwing through? We'll see.

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nyrgravey9 wrote:
It was an allusion to the upcoming argument/debate/negative posts.

At the end of the day, you're probably right because the dog owners in this town have such a feeling of superiority and entitlement, little will probably change. However, this cause has never been led by someone as annoyingly persistent as myself.

I will say that at the neighborhood level, things are happening behind the scenes, and you will see changes in time from the standpoint of signage, outreach and enforcement. That, I can guarantee.

But you're right. People will still do what they do, but it can't hurt to try right?

jwave wrote:
My sense is that nyrgravey9 speaks for the silent (or seldom heard for) majority of community members, including lots community-minded dog owners. Cajoling folks to behave better toward their neighbors is laudible, and respecting boundaries when using common areas is at the heart of being a solid citizen. Everyone on this board who agrees should post support for the OP (referendum-style). This will let the "entitled" minority understand that their actions are breeding serious ill-will and may embolden all other to confront this behavior when they see it (in a courteous way, of course). The idea that we should tolerate this because it has gone on for a long time or that there are other problems in community (which is obviously true) should be put to rest.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
It was an allusion to the upcoming argument/debate/negative posts.

At the end of the day, you're probably right because the dog owners in this town have such a feeling of superiority and entitlement, little will probably change. However, this cause has never been led by someone as annoyingly persistent as myself.

I will say that at the neighborhood level, things are happening behind the scenes, and you will see changes in time from the standpoint of signage, outreach and enforcement. That, I can guarantee.

But you're right. People will still do what they do, but it can't hurt to try right?

PBW wrote:
OP, why was I supposed to brace myself? Do you think you're actually going to accomplish something or was I supposed to brace myself for the same old arguments?

Vigilante wrote:
Catseye said it best in another thread.



Catseye wrote:
This is Jersey city although I was born and raised
Here it is a rough place all you yuppies that
Come from all over need to realize this.
And things happen hello you have the projects
Not to far away did anyone ever think that
The garage was open because someone was
Maybe parking there car there. I am not
Saying that this was right but this type of
Stuff happens all the time in this city
Everyone always has to open the mouth
And pass judgement how do you they were
Coming from a bar. You don't so keep it
To yourself maybe you should go live
On a farm.

Area_Man wrote:
I am not digging through the slop in this thread but here are my thoughts:

If you're on the street/sidewalks keep your dog on a leash.

If you're in a park and your dog is well trained, let it run around and be a dog for a bit. go jump in the canal by the colgate clock. play catch at lincoln park. have at it.

Clean up your dog's shit, and throw it in a trashcan.

that is all.

Area_Man wrote:
I am not digging through the slop in this thread but here are my thoughts:

If you're on the street/sidewalks keep your dog on a leash.

If you're in a park and your dog is well trained, let it run around and be a dog for a bit. go jump in the canal by the colgate clock. play catch at lincoln park. have at it.

Clean up your dog's shit, and throw it in a trashcan.

that is all.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Not yet, nope. Soon enough my friend, soon enough.

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nyrgravey9 wrote:
He's nothing if not entertaining folks. Gotta love the hipsters in this town.

I thought of you the other day when I saw an officer on foot in Hamilton Park walk right past an off leash dog. I guess "Operation Round-Up" didn't happen?

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nyrgravey9 wrote:
He's nothing if not entertaining folks. Gotta love the hipsters in this town.

I thought of you the other day when I saw an officer on foot in Hamilton Park walk right past an off leash dog. I guess "Operation Round-Up" didn't happen?

nyrgravey9 wrote:
He's nothing if not entertaining folks. Gotta love the hipsters in this town.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
The plan is excellent, specifically the part of police involvement in community meetings. The JCPD will be involved in neighborhood meetings at some point in the future, during which a discussion on proper fines, etc, will be addressed. While not a SWAT team, I think this will suffice. Thank you for pointing this out.

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dtjcview wrote:
http://stevenfulop.com/sites/default/ ... op_public_safety_plan.pdf

Seems like a good plan to me. No mention of any kind of dog poop S.W.A.T. team though.

Scottacus wrote:
The level of arrogance and selfishness of some of the people on this thread is notable but not surprising.

As a dog owner myself, I am amazed at how some people truly can think of no one but themselves. I personally love dogs. But many people don't. In fact there is a sizable portion of the population that is uncomfortable or even scared around dogs.

Letting a dog off leash in public (outside of a dog park) shows you are completely indifferent to people who may not be comfortable around dogs. You can use whatever excuse you want -- it's early, there aren't any other dogs in the park, etc -- but the fact is you are using a shared, community resource in a way that limits how much other people can enjoy it. It's really not all that different than playing a boombox that's too loud.

If you choose to have a dog, it is your responsibility to keep it on a leash outdoors whenever you are not at a dog park. Period. If you can't manage that you shouldn't have a dog.

Not to mention that as sweet and predictable as you think your dog may be, you never know how two dogs will react. My mother brought her 15 year old terrier to the park a few months ago, and as soon as she stepped onto the grass two off-leash dogs -- small Lhaso Apsos who "had never done anything like this before" -- viciously attacked her dog. The fact that they didn't have a history of violence didn't mean much when her dog was nearly killed and required $5000 worth of surgery. Which by the way the owner of the off leash dogs is 100% on the hook for.

So you can rationalize it all you want. But leash laws exist for a reason. And when you decide not to follow them, you are putting your lack of consideration for everyone else on public display.