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Dwtnguys wrote:
The extent of the punishment by law should be in relation to the extent that each has the responsibility for the activity they are involved in. It is obvious that a moving vehicle can cause a great deal more damage hitting something than a person on foot can cause.

If I, as a driver, pose a greater potential for damage, bear a greater extent of responsibility, and risk a greater punishment, shouldn't I get the right of way in exchange for all those burdens?

No.

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Dwtnguys wrote:
The extent of the punishment by law should be in relation to the extent that each has the responsibility for the activity they are involved in. It is obvious that a moving vehicle can cause a great deal more damage hitting something than a person on foot can cause.

If I, as a driver, pose a greater potential for damage, bear a greater extent of responsibility, and risk a greater punishment, shouldn't I get the right of way in exchange for all those burdens?

Dwtnguys wrote:
The extent of the punishment by law should be in relation to the extent that each has the responsibility for the activity they are involved in. It is obvious that a moving vehicle can cause a great deal more damage hitting something than a person on foot can cause.

Instead of complaing about the other, how do we coexist in a crowded city where everybody wants to arrive safely?

aldencal wrote:
The new law is for motorist and pedestrians alike...

"Motorists who violate the law face a $200 fine, plus court costs, and 2 points on their license. They can also be subject to 15 days of community service and insurance surcharges.

Pedestrians may also be cited under state law for failing to use due care when crossing. The law requires them to obey pedestrian signals and use crosswalks at signalized intersections as well as yield the right of way to traffic if they are not crossing within a crosswalk or at an intersection. Failure to comply with the law carries a $54 fine, plus court costs."

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Hamparkvet wrote: This is your typical half a minute at most intersections in downtown JC.

I like the food delivery guy on a bicycle driving up a one way street. If ever there is an accident make sure the police check to see if a cell phone was involved.

Not only does the first car not stop, it arrived at the intersection at the exact same time as other car to its right. In that case the other car has the right of way. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt this new law will change much. If they enforced the the previous laws, they wouldn't "need" the new one.

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Hamparkvet wrote: This is your typical half a minute at most intersections in downtown JC.

I like the food delivery guy on a bicycle driving up a one way street. If ever there is an accident make sure the police check to see if a cell phone was involved.

trambone wrote:
Oh hey look the bike in the video is going the wrong way down a one way street. Plus I don't see a stop sign on the street in question.

sinik wrote: I hope you drive less angry than you blog

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The pedestrians are as bad as the drivers here.

My friend Dirt McGirt is absolutely correct with this statement.

You guys have no clue. I have been 50% or more across the crosswalk (with the lights in my favor) and had drivers turn into the street I was crossing, without looking, causing me to take evasive action.

One guy even stopped and came at me again, obviously thinking that I should back up and let him pass in front of me. It was in a clearly marked crosswalk. The guy was turning out of another street where there was a stop sign. There were no parked cars obscuring his view.


Unfortunately these are regular occurrences. Some of you people clearly don't walk much or you would have experienced something similar yourselves.

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Drivers can?t always stop on a dime when that happens ?last minute? --- even at 25MPH which is the limit for most of these streets.

Most drivers are not driving at 25mph. On Jersey or Marin (where it is clearly posted), they are driving considerably faster. In the case of Marin at 8th and 9th most of the drivers are hitting 50mph.

trambone wrote:
Oh hey look the bike in the video is going the wrong way down a one way street. Plus I don't see a stop sign on the street in question.

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You guys have no clue. I have been 50% or more across the crosswalk (with the lights in my favor) and had drivers turn into the street I was crossing, without looking, causing me to take evasive action.

I don?t think anyone was absolving idiot drivers ---- but there are equally ample times when it?s a careless pedestrian. While yours may indeed have been the case of the former and not the latter, your individual experience is not the gold standard. It?s not always all about you.

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Some of you people clearly dont walk much or you would have experienced something similar yourselves.

Yes, you nailed it ---- almost fifteen years in this city, and I rarely walk anywhere! Friggin' moron.

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Most drivers are not driving at 25mph.

That?s absolutely correct ---- and if you take the time to re-read my words carefully, you will see that I specifically phrased it as ?EVEN AT 25mph which is the limit for most of these streets? --- I wrote that realizing that most don?t honor it; also as a subtle reminder for such drivers who may be on this blog; and also to affirm that one cannot stop on a dime even at that speed limit when a pedestrian jumps out last minute ----- your flawless adherence to pedestrian rules notwithstanding.

You guys have no clue. I have been 50% or more across the crosswalk (with the lights in my favor) and had drivers turn into the street I was crossing, without looking, causing me to take evasive action.

Some of you people clearly dont walk much or you would have experienced something similar yourselves.

Most drivers are not driving at 25mph.

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The pedestrians are as bad as the drivers here.

My friend Dirt McGirt is absolutely correct with this statement.

You guys have no clue. I have been 50% or more across the crosswalk (with the lights in my favor) and had drivers turn into the street I was crossing, without looking, causing me to take evasive action.

One guy even stopped and came at me again, obviously thinking that I should back up and let him pass in front of me. It was in a clearly marked crosswalk. The guy was turning out of another street where there was a stop sign. There were no parked cars obscuring his view.

Unfortunately these are regular occurrences. Some of you people clearly dont walk much or you would have experienced something similar yourselves.

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Drivers can?t always stop on a dime when that happens ?last minute? --- even at 25MPH which is the limit for most of these streets.

Most drivers are not driving at 25mph. On Jersey or Marin (where it is clearly posted), they are driving considerably faster. In the case of Marin at 8th and 9th most of the drivers are hitting 50mph.

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The pedestrians are as bad as the drivers here.

My friend Dirt McGirt is absolutely correct with this statement.

Drivers can?t always stop on a dime when that happens ?last minute? --- even at 25MPH which is the limit for most of these streets.

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When I'm in a crosswalk, I only stop for POS cars. I mean, if you are driving a nice import and you hit me, well I know you at least have the book value of the car.

Hamparkvet wrote: This is your typical half a minute at most intersections in downtown JC.

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The pedestrians are as bad as the drivers here.

My friend Dirt McGirt is absolutely correct with this statement.

More than a few pedestrians seem to have this ?let?s play chicken? attitude with oncoming cars, which manifests itself one of two ways:

1). By crossing mid-block where they have no crosswalk whatsoever (and purposely taking their dear sweet time crossing just to break your balls even though they are jaywalking).

2). By obliviously stepping out into a crosswalk from what they should know to be a totally blind spot for the driver of the oncoming car (eg: from behind a large vehicle on the corner or, in fact, any vehicle that is parked too close to the corner). Drivers can?t always stop on a dime when that happens ?last minute? --- even at 25MPH which is the limit for most of these streets.

My only hope is that the JCPD --- if indeed they step up on enforcement ---- will recognize (and enforce) based on the understanding that there is responsibility to met by both parties. Pedestrians are at fault just as often as are drivers.

The best thing that one can do to avoid car accidents is not to drive like an A-hole. Similarly, if you're a pedestrian who doesn't want to get run over, then don't walk like an A-hole.

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trambone wrote:
What happened to looking both ways? This law seems to empower he entitled and those who evolution keeps forgetting to take care of.

one word: cell phone

The pedestrians are as bad as the drivers here.