NewHeights wrote:
I seriously think we should just pull out all police presence in these high crime areas and let these animals police themselves.

NewHeights wrote:
Red Deutsche

Again, you don't get it. These people dont pay property taxes in the areas i'm referring to. They are on the gov't cheese.

By the way your name fits you well.

NewHeights wrote:
I seriously think we should just pull out all police presence in these high crime areas and let these animals police themselves.

NewHeights wrote:
I seriously think we should just pull out all police presence in these high crime areas and let these animals police themselves.

Cooperation between residents and the police is necessary to address crime, no matter how each feels about the other.

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JCSHEP wrote:
Blaming the police or town for ?a lack of services? is a bit misguided in my opinion. That is unless you can prove that there are less patrols in this area, I would guess it is actually the reverse.
The blame actually lays squarely on the % of people in that area committing or contributing to the commitment of these crimes.

SHILL !

Pffft...A mature response when someone has a different point of view than you...I am the furthest thing away from JCPD buddy, or anything JC besides a resident.

I am sick and tired of people not having any personal accountability, its always someone elses fault. There is crime here...its not the people committing the crimes...doesnt have anything to do with the community....blame the police!

I agree with your post above, the parents should be accountable for starters. Look at the source of the problem, not the end of pipe solution, it is too late by then.

JCSHEP wrote:
Blaming the police or town for ?a lack of services? is a bit misguided in my opinion.

CANKICKER wrote:
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JCSHEP wrote:
Blaming the police or town for ?a lack of services? is a bit misguided in my opinion. That is unless you can prove that there are less patrols in this area, I would guess it is actually the reverse.
The blame actually lays squarely on the % of people in that area committing or contributing to the commitment of these crimes.

SHILL !

JCNewJersey wrote:
If the problems occur after 10pm then enforcing the curfew would help assuming the persons were under age. However, these shots were fired duing the day.

The police do not enforce the curfew because they have to stay with the children until a guardian comes to get them. We know the guardians are not really guarding their children are they would not be out shooting up the neighborhood. So the guardians are likely no where to be found at 11pm or 12am or 1am and therefore the cops have to stay at the station house until they do come. Instead, they should be out in the community where they are needed.

It's a mess.

I also believe the police and municipal government are very cautious about how far they push things because of the fear of lawsuits.

It is a mess! Can't the police get the DYFS involved if the parents aren't staying home with their underage children?

nikkiinnj wrote:
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JCNewJersey wrote:
If the problems occur after 10pm then enforcing the curfew would help assuming the persons were under age. However, these shots were fired duing the day.

The police do not enforce the curfew because they have to stay with the children until a guardian comes to get them. We know the guardians are not really guarding their children are they would not be out shooting up the neighborhood. So the guardians are likely no where to be found at 11pm or 12am or 1am and therefore the cops have to stay at the station house until they do come. Instead, they should be out in the community where they are needed.

It's a mess.

I also believe the police and municipal government are very cautious about how far they push things because of the fear of lawsuits.

I agree with you but that's only half true. They don't take juvenille's back to the station. There's a facility where they take them so it's not a matter of the police having to babysit and being taken away from other duties. However you are right in that there parents generally don't pick them up which is why the curfew isn't enforced.

JCNewJersey wrote:
If the problems occur after 10pm then enforcing the curfew would help assuming the persons were under age. However, these shots were fired duing the day.

The police do not enforce the curfew because they have to stay with the children until a guardian comes to get them. We know the guardians are not really guarding their children are they would not be out shooting up the neighborhood. So the guardians are likely no where to be found at 11pm or 12am or 1am and therefore the cops have to stay at the station house until they do come. Instead, they should be out in the community where they are needed.

It's a mess.

I also believe the police and municipal government are very cautious about how far they push things because of the fear of lawsuits.

JCSHEP wrote:
Blaming the police or town for ?a lack of services? is a bit misguided in my opinion. That is unless you can prove that there are less patrols in this area, I would guess it is actually the reverse.
The blame actually lays squarely on the % of people in that area committing or contributing to the commitment of these crimes.

icechute wrote:
Take this anyway you please, but if you are looking to buy property, in any city, stay away from any area with a street named for M.L.King.

NewHeights wrote:
Don't you guys get it? if the Police start to crack down on these thugs Al Sharpton will be protesting the very next day (along with Greenville Chick)

It will only get worse in that area of JC.

GrovePath wrote:
Jersey City's police chief: It's not a 'war zone'

The Jersey Journal
Tuesday October 14, 2008


Jersey City Police Chief Tom Comey, seen in a file photo from an awards ceremony last year, takes issue in today's paper with a Jersey Journal column depicting life in one neighborhood as "a war zone.''

Jersey City Police Chief Tom Comey takes issue in today's Jersey Journal with a recent column depicting life in one neighborhood as "life in a war zone.''

"The negative connotation conjured up by the use of that term is an insult to the vast majority of hardworking, law-abiding citizens residing there,'' he writes in the op-ed responding to Earl Morgan's Oct. 3 column.

While the "war zone'' designator was the word choice of a headline writer, and not Morgan, the column depicted a neighborhood where hard-working people are afraid to be outside because of gunfire and, particularly in warmer months, "roving bands of loud and unruly youths who make things generally unpleasant for them.''

Comey prefers to call the violence plaguing the Martin Luther King Drive area a "cancer."

"We have done a lot and more still needs to be done. We can't do it alone,'' Comey concludes. "Whether the resolution comes from the home, the courts, legislation or a social agency, we remain ready to work with anyone to eradicate this cancer."

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Nabe desperate to end constant violence
LIFE IN A WAR ZONE

Friday, October 03, 2008

"M a, can we move?" a teenager asked her mother while they stood on the sidewalk Wednesday, watching as Jersey City police searched the street in front of their Stegman Street house for shell casings, the remnants of a late afternoon gunfight.

Two weeks ago, the same neighborhood was rocked by four separate shooting incidents in the space of 24 hours that left two men injured.

This latest incident occurred just a stone's throw from School 15, and only minutes after the school's students were dismissed at 3:10 p.m. In fact, police on the scene questioned two School 15 teachers who had been walking on Stegman Street, toward King Drive, and were forced to duck for cover when the shooting started.

According to police, someone on a bicycle pedaled up to a car on Stegman near King Drive and fired at a vehicle until it drove off. Police said no shooting victim turned up in area hospitals.

"I was on the porch with my daughter and I had my back turned to the street when the shooting started right across the street," said the mother of the girl who wondered out loud about the possibility of relocating.

"I heard the shots and turned around and saw a man firing shots. So, I pushed my daughter into the house and slammed the door."

While residents are thankful no one was killed or wounded, they're angry and frustrated about all the gunfire that's been erupting around them.

One of the gunfights two weeks ago left a bullet lodged in the wall of a daycare center at the Mary McLeod Bethune Center on King Drive. Fortunately no one was in the room at the time.

The stretch of Stegman, between King Drive and Ocean Avenue, where Wednesday's incident occurred, is made up of, with a few exceptions, well maintained one-and two-family homes.

The residents and property owners there say they deserve the right to be able to walk, stand or otherwise enjoy their homes and their block without worrying about being shot.

And it's not only gunfire that has them upset. Residents say that during the summer months the street is often invaded by roving bands of loud and unruly youths who make things generally unpleasant for them.

"We have fights and noise here all the time," said another Stegman Street resident. "We call the police, but they don't always come. Why can't we have more police patrols?"

That woman's next neighbor, who arrived home in his car only to find his way blocked by police tape, unleashed a heated verbal torrent at the police, elected officials, even The Jersey Journal.

"None of you are doing anything," the man said, his voice freighted with anger. "All kinds of things go on this block.

"Sometimes people come here and just fire off shots into the air. No one cares, no one is doing anything about it."

Ward F. Councilwoman Viola Richardson, who arrived at the Bethune Center shortly after Wednesday's shooting, said she cares very much and denounced the shooting incidents.

Richardson said in the next few weeks she will call a meeting of community and law enforcement organizations, as well as members of the clergy, to discuss ways to cope with the street violence and hostility that seems to plague youth in the predominantly African American and Latino ward she represents.

"We need a comprehensive way to deal with this situation," Richardson said. "Whatever we do it won't be just a quick fix approach. We need a plan."

As for why gunfire has been so prevalent in this area of Stegman Street and King Drive, well, police will only officially say they are investigating. But several sources say it is the result of a feud between rival gangs.