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Re: Jersey City's police chief: (Bergen Lafayette) is not a 'war zone'
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Once again, people like NewHeights wax knowledgeable and suggest novel drastic approaches to problems and issues about which they know either nothing or very little. I'd be tempted to get angry with NewHeight's epithets and "solution," because I too live in this area, pay taxes, along with the majority of my neighbors on my block, but then I realize it's not worth it. And he/she doesn't deserve any further thought or energy from me because he/she is a know-nothing sputterer.
Posted on: 2008/10/16 20:54
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Yeah, but I DO pay property taxes, and I'm stuck here living with this mess! To say pull out all police presence and let these animals police themselves, you're lumping me into the whole thing. I'll be the one ducking bullets. I gurantee you, I'm not the bad guy. I'm literally stuck in the wrong place. Believe it or not, you're forsaking lots of good people with that statement. Are there lots of criminals? Yeah. But we're not all criminals. And the ones who aren't are being held hostage in this mess. Send in the police, Army, Navy, Stealth Bombers, what ever you want, but don't take the few police we do have. That's ridiculous. Plus, without having us uptown morons paying exorbitant taxes for horrendous conditions, who would you have to shoulder the burden for all the millionair downtowners and the tax breaks they so desperately need? Afterall, that money has to come from somewhere, doesn't it? Face it. You need us. ![]() Actually, if I could, I'd go back and edit out the last line of my previous post, but it looks like my time to edit is past, or whatever. Anyway, it was uncalled for. Sorry about that. I was a little hot after reading your post. I'd take it back if I could.
Posted on: 2008/10/16 20:31
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Again, you don't get it. These people dont pay property taxes in the areas i'm referring to. They are on the gov't cheese. By the way your name fits you well.
Posted on: 2008/10/16 20:08
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I hope that some day your neighborhood begins to deteriorate right under your feet and before your very eyes, through no fault of your own, as you're paying property taxes out the ying yang for city services you don't receive, while simultaneously seeing a substantial real estate market crash, so that you're in effect trapped where you are, and someone says the same exact thing to you. Jerkoff.
Posted on: 2008/10/16 20:02
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Doesn't work... you don't think those people will infiltrate your neighborhood?
Posted on: 2008/10/16 18:20
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I seriously think we should just pull out all police presence in these high crime areas and let these animals police themselves.
Posted on: 2008/10/16 18:18
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Cooperation between residents and the police is necessary to address crime, no matter how each feels about the other. Agreed.
Posted on: 2008/10/16 16:02
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From a news article in another post today, perfect example of how the community is failing itself:
"Police officers on patrol near the Fulton Avenue playground heard two shots at 10:39 p.m. and saw muzzle flashes coming from the park's entrance, reports said. Advertisement They found a 25-year-old man on the ground on the northwest corner of Fulton Avenue and King Drive, bleeding from the left side of his torso, police said. The man was uncooperative and police were unable to learn from a crowd that had gathered direction the shooter had fled or a description, reports said." uncooperative....
Posted on: 2008/10/16 14:26
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You and everyone else can thank your local politicians and limp wristed legislatures for for creating this enviroment. CK
Posted on: 2008/10/16 14:20
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I live in lafayette, a couple blocks from LSP light rail stop, but it's a different world than living on ocean or mlk. And not because of a racial difference, but many socio economic ones. My neighborhood is very mixed ethnically but what is different is that many places are owner occupied, there is a good mix of old-timers and new residents, and most properties (except for ones that are vacant where owners are waiting til the market improves to unload, or the ones owned by the city or developers who just keep moving rubble from one side to the other) are taken care of, which indicates a sense of pride. Also where i live is still in the east district police dept, where the other places on that hot zone list experiencing these problems are not.
Clearly this problem is layered, but it seems to me that if every night something bad happens on a certain corner, than why isn't there a "hot spot" declared and undercovers there every night. If you arrest enough people at each of these hotspots, they will move their activities elsewhere, and i know the idea is to stop the problem all together, but let's start with where it's happening now. Also, it is sick when you hear that people gathered around the scene and the victim refuse to say anything about what happened. Cooperation between residents and the police is necessary to address crime, no matter how each feels about the other. Also, from reading a lot of the reports of these crimes, the victims and perps of the crimes often don't live where the act happened. Which is also infuriating. Because the chief is probably right about the fact that many of the people who live in these neighborhoods are hard working citizens who just want to be safe. Whether it's a war zone or not is irrelevant, what matters is that people can't feel safe coming home from a hard day's work, or walking their kids to school. And with the amount of money the city wastes and the taxes we pay, that should not be the case.
Posted on: 2008/10/16 14:19
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When people here complain about the police not being there to stop a mugging downtown, OK, that might not be all that fair. But, in the case of Bergen-Lafayette, we're talking about open-air supermarkets that seem to be about as obvious and as well-established as the Jersey Avenue C Town. It seems as if the freezer inspectors go after the C Town owners way more often than the police go after the open air supermarket managers. If Jersey City were a giant, completely out of control city, maybe that would explain why the city doesn't even bother to harass the open-air drug supermarkets in a noticeable way. But Jersey City isn't really that out of control. Maybe there are, say, a few dozen substantial, persistent open-air drug supermarkets. If the police would try to make arrests at two or three open-air drug supermarkets every evening, OK, sure, dozens of other supermarkets would still be operating, and many of the dealers would get off on technicalities. But maybe some of the dealers would spend some time in prison, and maybe some dealers would decide to go operate somewhere else.
Posted on: 2008/10/16 14:16
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Pffft...A mature response when someone has a different point of view than you...I am the furthest thing away from JCPD buddy, or anything JC besides a resident. I am sick and tired of people not having any personal accountability, its always someone elses fault. There is crime here...its not the people committing the crimes...doesnt have anything to do with the community....blame the police! I agree with your post above, the parents should be accountable for starters. Look at the source of the problem, not the end of pipe solution, it is too late by then.
Posted on: 2008/10/16 13:39
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Strict legislation has to be written and passed that places the Onus on the parents/gaurdians, I agree the Cops shouldn't act as Surragate parents, Parents/Guardians need to be held acountable. Theres too many excuses being made nowadays that attempt to justify the existance of these lowlifes and it's being said so often that even some of the politicians are buying into this BS! Think about it, before you vote. CK
Posted on: 2008/10/16 13:23
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It is a mess! Can't the police get the DYFS involved if the parents aren't staying home with their underage children? You are right, it is a mess. They could try to get the DYFS involved, but it is quite a process. The caseworkers at the DYFS have so many cases, they have a hard time keeping up. If parents are not staying home with their children because of a variety of reasons the children are then left to fend for themselves. It's a vicious cycle being that these kids may or may not grow up to do the same thing. I agree that more police in these areas is something needed, but I feel that the families and communities need to play an even bigger role.
Posted on: 2008/10/16 13:14
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It is a mess! Can't the police get the DYFS involved if the parents aren't staying home with their underage children? Isn't it illegal to go out leaving kids alone?
Posted on: 2008/10/16 12:58
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I agree with you but that's only half true. They don't take juvenille's back to the station. There's a facility where they take them so it's not a matter of the police having to babysit and being taken away from other duties. However you are right in that there parents generally don't pick them up which is why the curfew isn't enforced.
Posted on: 2008/10/16 12:40
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If the problems occur after 10pm then enforcing the curfew would help assuming the persons were under age. However, these shots were fired duing the day.
The police do not enforce the curfew because they have to stay with the children until a guardian comes to get them. We know the guardians are not really guarding their children are they would not be out shooting up the neighborhood. So the guardians are likely no where to be found at 11pm or 12am or 1am and therefore the cops have to stay at the station house until they do come. Instead, they should be out in the community where they are needed. It's a mess. I also believe the police and municipal government are very cautious about how far they push things because of the fear of lawsuits.
Posted on: 2008/10/16 12:29
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SHILL !
Posted on: 2008/10/16 12:06
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Posted on: 2008/10/16 11:06
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Obviously the chief is a bumbling idiot. He's one of healy's many puppets.
Posted on: 2008/10/15 21:24
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BTW - Chief, just so you know - once present, cancer usually wins in the end.
Bad analogy.
Posted on: 2008/10/15 20:34
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Blaming the police or town for ?a lack of services? is a bit misguided in my opinion. That is unless you can prove that there are less patrols in this area, I would guess it is actually the reverse.
The blame actually lays squarely on the % of people in that area committing or contributing to the commitment of these crimes.
Posted on: 2008/10/15 20:31
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Ask the students and teachers at the school where the shooting occurred in the parking lot (at 3:00) whether they think it's a war zone or not. They're there every day. How would you feel if you sent your child off to school and s/he didn't come home that afternoon because of being in the wrong place at the wrong time during a gang war?
Ask the upstanding residents of the area. Oh, wait... you don't have to... one is already quoted as saying that there are random gunshots all the time. Chief, does that sound like a description of "Candyland" to you? My guess is that the Chief hasn't set foot in that neighborhood for YEARS. It's all just public relations spin. Make the city sound good (or at least not as bad as it really is). He is trying to come across as "defending" the good name of the people of the area, when in fact, all they want is to be (actually) defended against these thugs. The cat is already out of the bag, Chief. We all know that living in Greenville isn't a picnic. You're making yourself look stupid and out of touch. Don't bother with the irrelevant lip service that everyone sees through anyway. Words are COMPLETELY useless in this situation. JUST ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING. PLEASE!! What's next? Another commercial / newspaper quotation saying that there are no gangs, no wolf packs and no guns on the streets? I literally laugh out loud when I see that kind of propaganda. Exactly what city would you be referring to, anyway? I'd like to move there.
Posted on: 2008/10/15 20:31
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that's a bit rascist don't you think? but i'll take you're advice anyway.
Posted on: 2008/10/15 20:24
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AMEN !
Posted on: 2008/10/15 20:19
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Take this anyway you please, but if you are looking to buy property, in any city, stay away from any area with a street named for M.L.King.
Posted on: 2008/10/15 19:54
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Way to be part of the solution.
Posted on: 2008/10/15 19:32
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They should ask that guy who just got brutally beaten near the Lightrail if thats really the case???
Posted on: 2008/10/15 19:09
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So because of stereotypes and assumptions Bergen Lafayette and Greenville do not deserve the same services that others receive in the city i.e. police presence and caring?
NewHeights it seems like you need to meet people from these areas because you seem to insinuate that everyone here is of one mind. Perhaps this the same frame of mind that stops others from coming to our aid and leaving us with the leftovers. There are so many proactive wonderful community people in our area that it's sad some of you don't realize this. Not only that ,there are police officers that do care and work with us but they are in the minority. We are not asking for the cops to come in shooting first as you insinuate is what should be done. There is such a thing as enforcing law the right way. Al Sharpton appears in extreme cases. I truly believe that law enforcement in Jersey City is lacking. We have been stressing enforcing curfew. Persistence is key. The police are not persistent. They don't go to the same spot twice.....Look I know what I am talking about... I can afford to live in downtown I choose to live here in Bergen Lafayette. I won't accept less than others. I pay taxes too.
Posted on: 2008/10/15 17:54
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