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Our version of "congestion pricing".
Posted on: 2010/6/29 16:11
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An additional $3 toll at the LSP and CCD exits from say 7am to 10 am would be cool, no? You wouldn't even need to build toll booths - just dedicate the far right (or two) lane/s at the last toll exchange for people getting off at those two exits. Add $3 to their toll. You could segregate traffic with jersey barriers coming out of the toll plaza. The city would get a big cut of the revenue to pay for road maintenance and traffic control.
I'm sure there are a million reasons why it can't be done, but it'd still be cool in the parallel world where things actually work efficiently and life is 17% to 89% better....
Posted on: 2010/6/29 16:00
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Don' think for one second icechute that that junction won't have traffic guards at certain times. It was a topic of discussion at many of the meetings. There is plenty of room to call drivers over and ticket them just like they do to the ignorant West bound drivers heading into the Holland Tunnel from NYC.
"As a longtime crosser of 12th street I can tell you commuters just don't give a crap who or what they block. We might even see it in the evening as there would be a 2 lane to 1 choke southbound, but outbound traffic tends not to grind so bad as inbound."
Posted on: 2010/6/29 15:41
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Agreed. Jersey/Grand will be a horror show. Throw in the school+crossing guards and it will be even worse.
Posted on: 2010/6/29 15:39
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Studies of new road projects say none has EVER reduced traffic on an existing road for more than a brief period. Adding capacity simply induces the people who had decided it was too big a PITA to drive that way to change their minds. As for the light rail vs cars, my opinion, (expressed at the traffic study meetings) is what we'll see is morning northbound traffic backed up on Jersey all the way from the light at Grand to the rail crossing, resulting in car vs rail gridlock. As a longtime crosser of 12th street I can tell you commuters just don't give a crap who or what they block. We might even see it in the evening as there would be a 2 lane to 1 choke southbound, but outbound traffic tends not to grind so bad as inbound.
Posted on: 2010/6/29 15:16
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Not for certain T-Bird - I asked the workers there but they did not know.
For all the traffic hysteria that is being tossed about there is not one grain of proof that this narrow 2-lane road will cause all the crazy traffic jams that all the downtowners are espousing. I went to numerous traffic study meetings over the last 4 years and after everything was culled through and studies poured over I, too, eventually fell in line with how Sam Pesin feels. If anything this new artery will just lesson flows that are crippling other parts of JC during rush hour.
Posted on: 2010/6/29 15:06
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They should just make the extension coble stone. That is a bitch to drive on.
Posted on: 2010/6/29 14:57
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I believe CCD will see LESS traffic because of this. If I'm coming up toward the tunnel, I'd get off the Turnpike at 14B, behind the Science Center, cut across the bridge and head right up Jersey Ave. all the way to Ham. Park, go around the park and then hit Erie for a block to the tunnel.
Or just take Jersey up to Newark Ave., then join the race to the tunnel on Erie. There's as much bad about this happening as good.
Posted on: 2010/6/29 14:52
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that traffic study claiming the light rail will discourage drivers is bs. 30 seconds at the light rail doesn't compare to 20 minutes on the ramp down to the tunnel on the turnpike. It's going to become the #1 route for avoiding the holland tunnel traffic with people getting off at the lsp exit, cutting through the park, up jersey and through the side streets of hamilton park.
lovely.
Posted on: 2010/6/29 14:21
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But why would they put down blacktop (on both sides leading to the bridge) if they are about to tear down the old bridge and put up the new one? I wonder if the blacktop is a longer-term intermediate step and the bigger project has been put off for a year or two due to lack of state and local funds.
Posted on: 2010/6/29 14:19
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It will be a two lane road - not four lane as was in the original proposal. Sam Pesin - Friends of Liberty State Park approved of the project. Since there's the light rail in the way with traffic lights and limited to two lanes it won't be a high traffic roadway according to traffic studies. There will be a pedestrian/bike lane next to the road and the project looks pretty nice. I'm personally against it, but it could have been much worse.
Posted on: 2010/6/29 14:05
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prepare to have thousands of more drivers cutting through downtown every day.
this is going to suck.
Posted on: 2010/6/29 13:38
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That will be a godsend.
Wiggling though that underbrush and gravel and over the small hill was always a pain in the ass. Especially when you met a biker coming the other way.
Posted on: 2010/6/29 13:35
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Convenient perhaps, but there are already way too many drivers at that intersection of Phillips and Zapp. Now folks are going to just use it as a cut-through even more often.
In NJ even our parks have traffic jams!
Posted on: 2010/6/29 13:31
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I have not heard the details on this but did notice spray paint on the ground last week showing what changes are to be made.
Are they building a new bridge? That wooden one is getting more crooked everyday.
Posted on: 2010/6/29 12:50
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Yesterday they began poring the black top to the wooden foot bridge and the path way up to Phillips St. This is a great news to bikers as that gravel section has been a real menace to my tires over the years.
So, it looks like the extension is underway. I heard that the big work starts in September. Finally a respctabe entrance to our great park. Let's hope they don't skimp on cheap lighting.
Posted on: 2010/6/29 12:35
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Shadow is obviously correct, it's a no brainer. But first they will have to pretend to clean up all the chromium and whatever along the way. I sure will miss all the rotting timbers in the putrid water at low tide (the geese don't seem to mind). I also see that another medical building is finally under construction in the Wilzig parking lot.
Posted on: 2009/3/31 1:46
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It's already under way. The next phase of the "Stealth Highway" from Bayonne to the GW Bridge. So called because it's done in spurts to avoid public scrutiny & the law. Jersey Avenue will be widened at the footbridge to accomodate four lanes of traffic, two north & two south to tie into Phillips Drive. Look at Jersey Avenue between the footbridge & Grand Street. It's not that wide for nothing. Development interests are driving this road and it will happen. Further south along this road at Linden Avenue & Caven Point Road the one block kink in this road will be eliminated by plowing through just east of the Recreation Field and move north to tie in with the rest of this highway.
Gonnahappen. Take it to the bank.
Posted on: 2009/3/30 22:59
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In looking over the new JC Mobility 2050 plan that will be up for a vote in 2 weeks, I found that they have included this connector between Jersey Avenue and Philip street. Now this will make that road part of the official city master plan, but does not actually fund it.
What is interesting about the plan is that it also includes a re-routing of the HBLRT to avoid the long elbow that it currently takes north and west of LSP. Instead it will pass east under the expressway, cross Philip St and then run across the new bridge to connect with the existing light rail track that runs along side Jersey Ave. The other thing to consider is that the mobility (or circulation) plan calls for all of the city streets to be "complete streets" with bike paths and pedestrian friendly designs, including traffic calming. So, if a new bridge connecting Jersey Avenue to LSP were to include this light rail, and a bike lane, and limit car traffic speeds in some manner, would it be an acceptable compromise for those opposed to any road at all?
Posted on: 2009/3/30 20:08
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Whatever we as a city do, let's please improve the existing Jersey Ave. bridge. To paraphrase Lincoln- If we can pave the bike path from downtown to LSP without building an automobile road, I'm in favor of that. If we can improve the bike path by building a road, I'm also in favor of that. And if we can improve bike and pedestrian access, by allowing some cars and not others I'm in favor of that too.
My final straw was riding to work Tuesday and discovering the bridge and ramp flooded over. Carrying a bike through knee deep water: not a great way to start a day.
Posted on: 2007/4/20 17:01
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The study area is downtown (traffic circulation) and regional access to downtown. The study is not evaluating improvements to ease traffic in Lafayette nor will it evalute impact on Liberty State Park (quality of park experience etc). There is modeling of volume if the new road is created and also its impact of other study points.
The study is considering (and likely to recommend) a two lane connector road (one way each direction) with bike lanes and ped sidewalks. My concerns as others have - will the additional capacity created by this connector road improve traffic flow or just "fill up" and create more traffic. -the study is considering (and again likely recommending) a two lane connector road. However, on the north-side of the foot bridge passing by the hospital, the road is six lanes (correct me if wrong, its pretty wide). Again while the study is considering a two lane road, it looks like the city (at some point) was planning to build a wider road. I trust the integrity of the study, however, it does not mean that the city is restricted to the two lane road. The next / last pubic meeting for the study is Monday, April 30th
Posted on: 2007/4/16 21:08
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Not quite. I am not opposed to additional traffic in downtown -- I am opposed to additional traffic in Liberty State Park. A boat marina and a golf course have already been contructed. In the case of the boat marina, this used to be the location of a grassy "Great Lawn" -- now gone. I like Sam Pesin's comparison of Liberty State Park to New York's Central Park. Let's keep cars the heck out of there and give the thousands of new people and Jersey City oldtimers a chance at a breath of fresh air. Right now, people can "walk" into the park via Jersey Avenue. A cleaner/sturdier walking bridge would be nice. But the concept of "walking bridge" ain't broke and it don't need fixin'. I feel for the folks over in Bergen/Lafeyette and agree they need a break (and there are suitable alternatives available). However, ruining the park is not a reasonable solution. -M
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There are many things that could be done to prevent traffic from cutting through the downtown during morning rush hours. First and foremost is congestion pricing for Manhattan, which is likely to be an inevitability in the future, though Jersey City residents have little control over New York City's implementing this. A similar alternative would be a ban on single occupancy vehicles through the Holland as existed post 9/11. But I imagine both these proposals are objectionable to the downtown folks who are too selfish to take mass transit into the city, instead driving in and adding to the congestion.
In addition to limiting the number of cars actually entering the tunnel, either through higher tolls or HOV restrictions, mass transit needs to be expanded. Huge numbers of vehicles travel east along 78 from locations as far west as Pennsylvania, many of the vehicles end up on the Turnpike Extension bound for the tunnel. The rail line running along this corridor has very few trains, and does not even extend to the Pennsylvania border. A commuter rail once ran from Easton, PA, on the Delaware River to New York via Hoboken. The right of way still exists, just not the rails. Re-initiating that rail link would ease congestion. So would the extension of the light rail west over the Hackensack River, so drivers could board the train before even getting out onto the peninsula. Furthermore, an extension of the light rail along Sixth Street / Bergen arches would also eliminate some traffic coming via route 7 and 1&9, thus less traffic at the tunnel entrance, and thus less incentive for vehicles to cut through the downtown. Mass transit construction though, is obviously expensive, and certain proposals would meet with community opposition. Or more to the point, some people complain about heavy traffic cutting through the downtown, but they also complain about the proposed solutions. As far as the actual extension of Jersey Avenue, there is no reason to think that it cannot be extended into the park in a safe way, nor should it be assumed that traffic flowing through Jersey Avenue is going to dramatically increase the actual volume coming through the downtown anymore than traffic is already going to increase by. First of all, provided the road is pedestrian friendly, and other pedestrian enhancements are made, the pedestrian situation may actually be improved over current conditions, especially at Jersey and Grand Streets. Improvements could include walk / don't walk countdown clocks, longer pedestrian walk signals and corner curb extensions. Corner curb extensions are essentially an extension of the sidewalk at corners to reduce the distance pedestrians have to walk. It also serves to slow traffic down because drivers perceive the road as more narrow. Second, traffic volume is not nearly as hazardous as traffic speed. Indeed, increased volume can help decrease speed, which ultimately improves safety. Speed can be mitigated by a number of factors including traffic lights, especially those that are purposely linked to slow traffic flow. Instead of "ride the green" as one can do on Manhattan Avenues, lights can by synchronized to reduce traffic flow. Further, as I mentioned before, curb extensions at the corners psychologically slow down drivers, as do narrow streets. The addition of stop signs at corners can further slow traffic. Finally, to the point that morning rush hour traffic will suddenly flood the Jersey Avenue extension, the light rail itself will do wonders to limit the capacity of the extension at rush hour. The trains cross the road over two or three minutes at rush hour, in which case, traffic will have to stop for the train, making Jersey Avenue a much less desirable "shortcut"
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The final PUBLIC MEETING for the Jersey City Regional Waterfront Access and Downtown Circulation Study will be on Monday, April 30 at 6 PM. The public meeting will be held at City Hall, 280 Grove Street, in the Council Chambers on the second floor.
Posted on: 2007/4/9 12:31
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I just found the posted minutes from the March 1st meeting
of the Regional Waterfront Access and Downtown Circulation Study Thursday, March 1, 2007, 6 PM Click Here where it says:Minutes Housing, Economic Development And Commerce Department Division of City Planning 30 Montgomery Street Suite 1400 Jersey City, N.J. 07302-3821 Phone: 201.547.5010 Fax: 201.547.4323 In attendance: Thomas Pfister, Friends of Liberty State Park Tony D?Auria, Goldman Sachs Barbara Burza Chris Bray, Lafayette Neighborhood Action Committee George Garcia, Garcia Turula LLC Josh Schneider, NJTPA Maureen Crowley Deneine Morant, MCRADC Diana Petolino, Jersey City Public Schools Dale Hardman James Greller, HCIA Eliza Wright, Friends of Liberty State Park Steve Lanset Julie Daugherty Alan Pollack, Friends of Liberty State Park Lorraine Gagliardotto Andrea Zuckerman Gail Bedard David Alden June Jones Connie Claman, Liberty Science Center Frank Gallagher, Liberty State Park Dan Spadoro Craig Buckbee David Sheoner Dianna Guadagnino Nikki Sirken Suzy Winkler Dan North Sam Pesin Steve Brown, Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Mia Scanga Tim Keating Tanya Chauhan, Lafayette Neighborhood Action Committee Patricia Giordan Angus Vail Sue Mack Vern Yenor Dorcey Winant Douglas Greenfeld, Jersey City HEDC Naomi Hsu, Jersey City Planning Louis Luglio, Vollmer Associates Quote:
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The Jersey Avenue entrance to Liberty State Park will be discussed at this month's HPNA meeting. See:
http://www.hamiltonpark.org/newsletter.html
Posted on: 2007/3/3 21:51
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Don't usually speak up up, but this is a quiet and trashy corner of JC that those of us who bike or walk like alot. The canal is sweetly slimey green and peaceful on many times I have visited. No personal need for a roadway when walking will do. Nuff said.
Posted on: 2007/3/2 22:06
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I tend to think it doesn't much matter if they do or don't connect Jersey Avenue to Philip road now; its not as if anyone is suggesting the route be permanently sealed shut. Eventually Jersey Avenue will probably need to be connected over the canal, probably when the final phase of Liberty Harbor is completed. Whether its done now or in 10 or 20 years, it will eventually happen. Not making the connection is not going to slow the current rate of development. Constructing the road might hasten development in Lafayette, but eventually the downtown will be built out and development will move into Lafayette anyway.
As far as the turnpike connecting to Columbus, the project was completed rather prematurely. Development on Columbus has seriously impaired traffic flow over the last year, especially traffic at the Marin - Columbus intersection. Meanwhile, the projects along Washington have caused a serious problem there as well. And the best part is late last year when Washington and Marin were closed because of construction. Shows some real brilliant leadership. Long term this might actually make a lot of sense, but for another 18 months or so, it really isn't too bright. Long term, the city's growth needs to be matched by the expansion of public transportation, particularly high capacity rail and subway lines. When the Beacon comes online, the flow of traffic down Montgomery is going to mitigate any effect shunting traffic from the Turnpike onto Columbus has had. The same is true of development in the Squares.
Posted on: 2007/3/2 20:04
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You could easily build a bike lane on Jersey Avenue by eliminating the street parking on either side of the street. This would have the added benefit of providing better line of site for the streets between Newark and 8th street; most of the near traffic accidents I've seen on Jersey Avenue come from cars inching forward so they can see around the parked cars, thereby blocking on coming traffic. The downside, or the biggest obstacle, would be local delivery trucks blocking the bike lanes. UPS, USPS, beer trucks, oil delivery trucks-- they'd probably all just end up parking in the bike lane and usually delivery drivers accept parking tickets as a cost of doing business.
One thing that really needs to be addressed immediately is the pedestrian situation at Grand and Jersey Avenue. With the turning signals and the wide width of Grand Street at that point, its pedestrian suicide. This should be addressed before Liberty Harbor residents start moving in, and definitely before any retail goes in on the southeast corner of Grand and Jersey where the LHN sales office is. As far as Liberty Harbor pressuring the city to expand road access, I doubt they really care. They already have approvals for their projects, and they seem to be selling well as it is. Also, the retail project planned for Grand and Jersey is supposed to include a grocery store. Rumor has it the sales agents are promising LHN buyers it will be a whole foods. I'm skeptical of that, but regardless, a grocery store, especially a whole foods, will generate a ton of traffic whether or not the Jersey Ave connector is built. Obviously another grocery store has its own benefits for the community, which is sort of the compromise for the added traffic. But in either case, if a grocery store goes in, the traffic is going to show up anyway.
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Absolutely true and here's how the city will squander this opportunity: The developers of Liberty Harbor North will pressure city hall for better road access to the shopping area they are planning there, the city will fold, and then sell it to the public by saying that the real reason is that better emergency access to the medical center is required. It's probably a done deal already. Jeez I've only been here 5 years and am becoming a total cynic already.
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