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If you want to see what the City has planned for the Metropolis Towers site check out the below presentation. Content on Metropolis Towers begins at 17:50, though no mention is made of Whole Foods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWhOdnQ8NkI

Also, for an additional chuckle go to 24:10 to enjoy an execrable short video starring Fulop awkwardly plugging some sort of virtual reality planning app.

Prepare to crank the cringe factor up to 11!

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They replied (quite quickly too) that they anticipate a February 2017 opening. What could possibly be taking them so long?!


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We've also got the Sunac Natural Market coming in at 70 Columbus and (hopefully) 99 Ranch is still planned to open up where the Pathmark was.

I really hope this summer brings an end to downtown being a grocery desert for those that don't own a car.


Like many here, I am anxiously anticipating the opening of 99 Ranch since I live in the area- so much so that I sent them an e-mail inquiring about their opening date as their website indicates a summer opening. They replied (quite quickly too) that they anticipate a February 2017 opening. What could possibly be taking them so long?!

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Ok, what about this article did you find interesting? I found all of the points particularly weak.

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I've lived in Metropolis towers for six years. They certainly could use a renovation!

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I was hoping there would be more of a redevelopment of the site. I always thought WF would occupy a base of one of the new towers going up around town. Why have a stand alone store in what basically will be a strip mall.


Hope what you want - it's a co-op. The idea that the shareholders would be willing to be homeless for a decade while they completely redevelop the site is absurd, no matter what sort of money they'd be making. Getting rid of the parking lot and replacing it with a garage and ground floor retail is the best we could hope for, and having a Whole Foods be part of it is even better than what we could have reasonably hoped for.


I was not advocating for the demolition of the Metropolis towers, silly. More so for development of the excessive surface parking surrounding the building. Why not have residential and offices uses rising above the Whole Foods site? Why does it have to be a single use with a parking garage.

If I was a member of the co-op, I would be jumping at this opportunity due to the potential to generate millions for the co-op off the land lease to pay for renovations\upgrades of the existing common areas and possibly reduce assessments for years to come.

As a resident of Jersey City, that's always been a odd site which kills the urban feel of the area. From the outside, it looks like a public housing complex. A little greenspace and improvements would go a long way into better integrating the towers with the city. Are the co-op owners that crusty to want to have their buildings sit in a sea of parking rather than see development? Serious question.

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Interesting because I've always heard there were plans to add two more towers in that lot and the complex would make a square with an assumed park in the middle. I guess that will not be moving forward? In any case, traffic at the corner of Marin and Columbus will be more of a nightmare than it already is.

Still looking forward to a Whole Foods though!


Maybe the entrance for cars will be off Montgomery and people off Columbus, that might make the most sense.

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Interesting because I've always heard there were plans to add two more towers in that lot and the complex would make a square with an assumed park in the middle. I guess that will not be moving forward? In any case, traffic at the corner of Marin and Columbus will be more of a nightmare than it already is.

Still looking forward to a Whole Foods though!

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Williamsburg, here we come


Yes, because Whole Foods is only in Williamsburg..

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It was looking at plans Tommy had a while back, could be mine is old and yours is new. I don't think the corner has enough room for 45,000 sq feet and the park they show/talked about. Seems like it has to be in the lot between them to the North side, but I suppose it could be facing Montgomery. IMO, that would be a bit of a mistake, you want the store facing the majority of the foot traffic, and the foot traffic is driven by the PATH & the plaza.

Edit: At the time they had plans for a connecting street/walkway between Columbus and Montgomery.

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Williamsburg, here we come

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The NJ.com article states that this Whole Foods will be at the corner of "Marin and Columbus, which is not even really possible. As of now, the hulking monstrosity of a co-op tower is situated near the Marin/Columbus corner of the property. There is no way a 45k SF supermarket is fitting in that corner. So, the Whole Foods has to be going directly across Columbus from 70 Columbus, between the two Motropolis Towers, or at the corner of Marin and Montgomery.


It's going between the towers, which is a big parking lot at the moment, it's pretty damn close the intersection. I would expect there to be an entrance very near the corner of Columbus and Marin, and likely one on Montgomery as well.

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Interesting. Do you recall what your source is for the exact location? A while back I spoke with a rep for the developers and he told me that a "high end" supermarket (before it was confirmed to be WF) would be going in at the Montgomery/Marin corner of the property and that a new city street connecting Montgomery and Columbus was to be opened in the space between the existing towers.

These plans obviously could have changed. To me, it is crucial that a connection be opened up connecting Montgomery and Columbus between Marin and Warren. Hopefully, they still plan on doing that, even if it's just via a parking lot with an entrance from Montgomery.

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I was hoping there would be more of a redevelopment of the site. I always thought WF would occupy a base of one of the new towers going up around town. Why have a stand alone store in what basically will be a strip mall.


Hope what you want - it's a co-op. The idea that the shareholders would be willing to be homeless for a decade while they completely redevelop the site is absurd, no matter what sort of money they'd be making. Getting rid of the parking lot and replacing it with a garage and ground floor retail is the best we could hope for, and having a Whole Foods be part of it is even better than what we could have reasonably hoped for.

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I was hoping there would be more of a redevelopment of the site. I always thought WF would occupy a base of one of the new towers going up around town. Why have a stand alone store in what basically will be a strip mall.

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I'll take my kale with extra chromium, thanks!

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The NJ.com article states that this Whole Foods will be at the corner of "Marin and Columbus, which is not even really possible. As of now, the hulking monstrosity of a co-op tower is situated near the Marin/Columbus corner of the property. There is no way a 45k SF supermarket is fitting in that corner. So, the Whole Foods has to be going directly across Columbus from 70 Columbus, between the two Motropolis Towers, or at the corner of Marin and Montgomery.


It's going between the towers, which is a big parking lot at the moment, it's pretty damn close the intersection. I would expect there to be an entrance very near the corner of Columbus and Marin, and likely one on Montgomery as well.

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Completely agree about Metropolis Towers - a horrible eyesore. Unfortunately, the renderings appear to show the towers in the background, so I don't think they're going anywhere.


Damn right it's going nowhere, just completed substantial renovations. I prefer Trop Towers over these sterile glass and steel building that all look the same.

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The NJ.com article states that this Whole Foods will be at the corner of "Marin and Columbus, which is not even really possible. As of now, the hulking monstrosity of a co-op tower is situated near the Marin/Columbus corner of the property. There is no way a 45k SF supermarket is fitting in that corner. So, the Whole Foods has to be going directly across Columbus from 70 Columbus, between the two Motropolis Towers, or at the corner of Marin and Montgomery.

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Geez, walk up Christopher left on Grove. Up Montgomery across van vorst. Up bright And all told under 10 min. Or u can theorize with Google maps for an hour. Your choice


I lived on Bright and Varick. It's more than a 10 minute walk and will be close to 15 if carrying groceries.

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The point is that shopping center has space. And parking!

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Geez, walk up Christopher left on Grove. Up Montgomery across van vorst. Up bright And all told under 10 min. Or u can theorize with Google maps for an hour. Your choice


I used to make the walk from Grove PATH to that Pathmark plaza twice a week.

Google, crows, whatever. I can tell you, it's a real schlepp. (And I enjoy walking.)


Agreed. I used to live over in BeLa and used to do that walk all the time. Considering the ground distance, many turns, and intersections, no one is walking that distance in 10 minutes. And, come Summer, it gets worse because of the heat and humidity.

But, yeah, some people in here live in fantasy lands devoid of the laws of physics or logic. To think people would want to walk all the way there to then come back to DTJC to grab some groceries is just silly. With so many WF and TJ locations in NYC that are actually close to PATH stations, I am sure many potential customers would choose to pick up stuff over there and just bring it on the PATH with them to go straight home.

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Geez, walk up Christopher left on Grove. Up Montgomery across van vorst. Up bright And all told under 10 min. Or u can theorize with Google maps for an hour. Your choice


I used to make the walk from Grove PATH to that Pathmark plaza twice a week.

Google, crows, whatever. I can tell you, it's a real schlepp. (And I enjoy walking.)

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Geez, walk up Christopher left on Grove. Up Montgomery across van vorst. Up bright And all told under 10 min. Or u can theorize with Google maps for an hour. Your choice

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Old colony shopping center is 1/2 mile from the Grove St path. Hardly unwalkable.


Not true, unless you are talking about distance as the crow flies. The distance from Grove Street PATH station to Old Colony is just shy of a mile, which is why people are not going to be walking all the way there to then back track. Google Maps walking directions.

It is close to half a mile, it just has to with how you entered it in to Google Maps. From Columbus and Grove to Monmouth and Bright is .6 miles. Google Maps take you the long way. I doubt you would walk that way if you was getting off the Path and take Grand. 15 minutes give or take no matter how you get there isn't a long walk regardless.


You must be one of those people that, when asked about his commute, only considers the time traveling from station to station. Measuring from the intersections of Columbus/Grove to Bright/Monmouth completely misses the point: the PATH exit is further in, and the entrance of what was Pathmark was certainly not at the intersection of Bright and Monmouth. You got one thing right, it's about 15 minutes walking. How many people are coming back from work and wanting to schlep 15 minutes out of their way to grocery shop and then walk another 10 or 15 minutes back while carrying groceries? I would sooner walk 5 minutes from the TriBeCa or 7th Avenue locations to the WTC or 23rd stations.

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Old colony shopping center is 1/2 mile from the Grove St path. Hardly unwalkable.


Not true, unless you are talking about distance as the crow flies. The distance from Grove Street PATH station to Old Colony is just shy of a mile, which is why people are not going to be walking all the way there to then back track. Google Maps walking directions.

It is close to half a mile, it just has to with how you entered it in to Google Maps. From Columbus and Grove to Monmouth and Bright is .6 miles. Google Maps take you the long way. I doubt you would walk that way if you was getting off the Path and take Grand. 15 minutes give or take no matter how you get there isn't a long walk regardless.

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I really hope this summer brings an end to downtown being a grocery desert for those that don't own a car.


You're kidding right?


Key Foods, Shop Rite, Tender Shoot, that friendly Korean grocer on Bay Street, the place across from La Conguita....

downtown is hardly the Sahara.


For whatever reason, there is this misconception that DTJC is a grocery store dessert, but that is way, way off. In addition to Shoprite and BJs, there is the Conga Supermarket (which is surprisingly vast in its stock, and available produce) plus the various small Korean grocers, and there is also that new organic place over Union Republic, Subia's, and not too far from DTJC there is Hudson Greene Market in PH and Morton Williams in Newport.

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I really hope this summer brings an end to downtown being a grocery desert for those that don't own a car.


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Key Foods, Shop Rite, Tender Shoot, that friendly Korean grocer on Bay Street, the place across from La Conguita....

downtown is hardly the Sahara.

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In case you haven't heard, a 99 Ranch is what is replacing the Pathmark spot. Should definitely be an asset.


I don't know how big the old Pathmark was but they usually open large stores, think Asian Food with a restaurant.
Their stores in CA are huge they are also opening a store in Hackensack.

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Hopefully whatever finally gets built there will be an asset to the neighborhood.


In case you haven't heard, a 99 Ranch is what is replacing the Pathmark spot. Should definitely be an asset.

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