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Re: Tab for public workers' unused sick days tops $2 billion
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I thought Christie was going to put an end to this.


Good luck in this blue state with that! And, there you go again expecting more from a Repulican than a Democrat


Nope. He raised the issue. When someone says they intend to do something, I pay attention as to whether or not they do it.

Sad for you that you are stuck in the "yay Republicans!" school of political "thought". I'm more interested in solutions than rooting for a team.


By your logic then once Obamacare is repealed Obama did not make good on his main campaign promise of providing healthcare to everyone

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I thought Christie was going to put an end to this.


Did you at any point think he could do that by executive order? If that was possible he would've.

Would the Democrats in the Legislature have done this? Nope.

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I thought Christie was going to put an end to this.


Good luck in this blue state with that! And, there you go again expecting more from a Repulican than a Democrat


Nope. He raised the issue. When someone says they intend to do something, I pay attention as to whether or not they do it.

Sad for you that you are stuck in the "yay Republicans!" school of political "thought". I'm more interested in solutions than rooting for a team.

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I thought Christie was going to put an end to this.


Good luck in this blue state with that! And, there you go again expecting more from a Repulican than a Democrat

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Some municipalites are dealing with this, but not JC. I actually thought Fulop would address this problem, but he hasn't.
http://archive.northjersey.com/news/n ... orough-employees-1.168688

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I thought Christie was going to put an end to this.

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I never understood why employers (private or public) should pay for sick days. The way sick days should work is if you're sick, you don't come to work and you're still paid your salary (or equivalent compensation). Paying people later for unused sick time is nonsensical.


Makes sense till you follow the breadcrumbs. Employers can't allow that for unlimited days, so they set a cap. But then you have the healthy employees seeing people getting paid for not working, and say "that's not fair!! He's making the same as me for less days of work!!" And so you negotiate this nonsense.

The best answer is simply set the number of days people work a year, what they do with their days off is their business, but they better plan well if they don't want to lose paid days. If they vacation all their off days and then get sick, they don't get paid for that day. I suppose this is more or less the same as "use it or lose it", but making no distinction between types of off days.


Lots of companies do this now. It usually goes by the moniker of PTO, or Paid Time Off. You get a number of days off (say, 25) and how you use that time is up to you. Some companies will pay out a limited number (say, 5) or will let you carry over to the following year a similar number. At my company, they don't pay out any PTO, but we can carry over up to 5 days. I much prefer the concept of PTO, as I seldom take sick days, and it is also a lot easier to keep track of things.

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I never understood why employers (private or public) should pay for sick days. The way sick days should work is if you're sick, you don't come to work and you're still paid your salary (or equivalent compensation). Paying people later for unused sick time is nonsensical.


Makes sense till you follow the breadcrumbs. Employers can't allow that for unlimited days, so they set a cap. But then you have the healthy employees seeing people getting paid for not working, and say "that's not fair!! He's making the same as me for less days of work!!" And so you negotiate this nonsense.

The best answer is simply set the number of days people work a year, what they do with their days off is their business, but they better plan well if they don't want to lose paid days. If they vacation all their off days and then get sick, they don't get paid for that day. I suppose this is more or less the same as "use it or lose it", but making no distinction between types of off days.

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I never understood why employers (private or public) should pay for sick days. The way sick days should work is if you're sick, you don't come to work and you're still paid your salary (or equivalent compensation). Paying people later for unused sick time is nonsensical.

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Fulop criticized Healy for bonding for this when employees leave now he is doing the same thing. Apparently, the city can afford to give away valuable land but not have the funds to pay for this yearly which is around $7 to $9 million each year.

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N.J. failed to stop sick time payouts. Now we're really paying for it | Editorial


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Accumulated Sick-Day Payouts: ‘Local’ Problem Hits $2 Billion and Counting

NJ SPOTLIGHT - | March 30, 2017

Pay for unused absences was capped at $15,000 in 2010, but public employees hired before that at school districts, towns, and counties across the state can still rack up six-figure payouts

When he retires, Jersey City’s police chief could set a new record for payout. According to the city’s 2016 User Friendly Budget, the chief had accrued 444 days of sick leave and vacation totaling $503,533 — $1,134 per day. The police department’s website indicates that Philip D. Zacche has been a police officer since December 1979 and was named chief in October 2014.

The city’s budget shows three other employees were due more than $100,000 for unused days as of last year: the business administrator, fire chief, and public works director.

In total, Jersey City employees had banked more than 313,000 days of leave worth nearly $118 million, by far the largest of any municipality in the state. The total value of the days accrued by the city’s police, exclusive of the chief, was $68 million, $16 million more than the bill for the entire city of Newark, which had the second largest accumulation.

Largest Liabilities for Unused Leave Time

Governmental Entity2016 Liability
Jersey City$117,785,923
Newark$52,531,538
Bergen County$50,491,770
Jersey City School District$36,546,294
Newark School District$34,641,711
Atlantic City$29,685,804
Middlesex County$26,434,772
Hudson County$25,430,125
Elizabeth$23,159,164
East Orange

$19,003,156

http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/17 ... s-2-billion-and-counting/


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