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Re: Fulop: Trump’s proposed budget would cost Jersey City $9.6M in HUD funding
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Monroe wrote:

Give me a break, do you want to break down every cost for every POTUS and their families? Right now, Obama is sunning himself on a private island in Tahiti-for a month-with Secret Service protection-an island with one hotel, where rooms start at $2K a night. Michelle is god knows where getting protection, as are both kids, one in DC and the other in NY.


Jesus Christ, Mary Pat - do you even have the ability to critique information as you take it in or is it just a straight mainlining of Hannity, Rush and the Dooce?

No. There isn't only one hotel in Tahiti. $2,000 a night? No. There are many, many for far less - the InterContinental is showing up on Trip Advisor, for instance, for $270 per night. This is the same asinine shit that led to a bunch of bobble heads running around saying Obama's trip to India cost $2 billion. That was absurd on its face - if you stopped and thought about math - m-a-t-h - for like three seconds, you'd realize that unless they were sleeping with blankets that were stuffed with ten million dollar bills, it would be impossible to spend $2 billion. But thinking isn't much at a premium these days...

Posted on: 3/21 13:14
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Re: Fulop: despite Trump, Jersey City remains 'welcoming' to immigrants
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Yvonne wrote: The point being - they would like to come here.


And you think this is a new desire? I'm sure you could have said the same thing in 2001... Point is, the old policy was working. No one was killed in the US in 2016 as a result of terrorism committed by immigrants (or refugees). Thanks again for your information.

Posted on: 2/7 15:41
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Re: Fulop: despite Trump, Jersey City remains 'welcoming' to immigrants
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I type the number of terrorists attacks since 2016 and they are broken down by months. There are people who want to destroy democracy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_2016


Interesting link you provided - looking through it, I find that nobody was killed in the US during 2016 by an immigrant in a terrorist-related incident. I guess the old policies were working just fine. Thanks, Yvonne!

Posted on: 2/7 13:04
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Re: Fulop: despite Trump, Jersey City remains 'welcoming' to immigrants
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People who don't understand english (the difference between the words "immigrant" and "refugee", for instance) should sit back and watch. As my dad used to say "better to be silent and thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt."

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You know what ...bike? Poland did not accept any immigrants and guess what? There are no immigrants blowing up bombs in Poland. This is something to think about.


Posted on: 2/7 11:10
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Re: Mayor Fulop to Sign Executive Order Re-Affirming Jersey City Sanctuary City; Drafted with Coalition
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135jc wrote:
Again! Utter stupidity on the half of Fulop. What does this accomplish other than to raise awareness that Jersey city refuses to obey federal law?


Which half?

Posted on: 2/2 15:27
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Re: Jersey City rally in support of immigrants
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Again, the Iraq action was tied to a specific threat that. No such threat or similar rationale has been provided for Trump's ban - just an "I don't like the looks of those guys" (to put it kindly) type of thing..


Spoken like an ignoramus who never actually read the executive order he has such a strong opinion about.


Breathe, Papi. Clearly I've struck a raw nerve - relax. However, I can't help noticing your selective use of the bolding.... You "forgot" the key word - "specific".

spe·cif·ic
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1. clearly defined or identified. "increasing the electricity supply only until it met specific development needs"
synonyms: particular, specified, fixed, set, determined, distinct, definite; More
2. BIOLOGY relating to or connected with species or a species.

I'll ask, with no expectation of compliance, for you to re-read the order. Point to one specific (non-general, non-subjective, non-opinion) threat in that order. You won't. You can't, but more to the point, you won't. You'll fulminate. You'll deflect. All the while getting more aroused by the attention. So after finishing here, the floor's all yours. I';

Before going, I'll give you what will undoubtedly serve as the fodder for today's chubby - there was no Iraq ban in 2011. There was a considerable slowdown due to implementation of stricter vetting procedures - the very thing you claim to want.

There was a specific threat tied to the 2011 action: The “Kentucky case” in May 2011 in which two Iraqis were arrested and faced federal terrorism charges after officials discovered from an informant that Waad Ramadan Alwan, before he had been granted asylum in the United States, had constructed improvised roadside bombs in Iraq. The FBI, after examining fragments from thousands of bomb parts, found Alwan’s fingerprints on a cordless phone that had been wired to detonate an improvised bomb in 2005.

Second, the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Things slowed down considerably but it was never the intent of the administration, nor proclamation, to invoke a ban - consistent with what transpired.

Finally, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s initial policy, as implemented, was far more sweeping.

Separately - what's with your repeated use of "echo chamber"? The conservatives invented it and have used it to great success over the past several decades. Own it. Celebrate it as the effective tool it's become! When did the right adopt the "am not, you are" approach to debate, which was elevated to new heights in Clinton/Trump II (or was it III? I forget) with the memorable "No! You're the puppet"?

I am heartened though by the fact that when you look at the thousands of Trump related posts (for and against) on JCList, it's really fewer than a dozen people who make all the pro Trump noise. Why is that? And why do they care? Government at the moment is clearly aligned in their favor - why not get on with advancing their agenda and celebrate their "successes"? Why do they care so much what we "libtards" and "whiny losers" and our "dishonest media" and/or "facts" and/or "science" have to say?

Posted on: 2/1 11:45
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Re: Jersey City rally in support of immigrants
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I support the temporary ban, and if it was unconstitutional it would not be in effect.


Hello?

Posted on: 1/31 18:27
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Re: Jersey City rally in support of immigrants
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And you know what - who cares if Obama banned everyone from everywhere? You wanted the guy who is going to blow it all up and break everything in sight, right? Don't hide under the last guys skirt - get out there and own it!

I'll know this "movement" is real when clowns like you and the JCman8-ball stop parroting every talking point that can be summed up as "liberals do this so the opposite must be good" and embrace the "disruption" for what it is and not what it isn't. It makes me think that deep down, you don't really believe the Trump BS and you suspect you might be being played....

Posted on: 1/31 17:44
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Re: Jersey City rally in support of immigrants
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Monroe wrote:
You're parsing the effect, which was no visas were processed for 6 months.


Again, the Iraq action was tied to a specific threat that. No such threat or similar rationale has been provided for Trump's ban - just an "I don't like the looks of those guys" (to put it kindly) type of thing.

The French are very clever.

Posted on: 1/31 17:37
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Re: Jersey City rally in support of immigrants
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I'm not talking about that stuff - that's the usual everyday in the trenches stuff. I'm talking about how he feels he's had to become reflexively supportive of whatever Trump says/tweets - that's not the circa 2015/early 2016 Ryan.

When/if the Trump experiment implodes, the Ryan star will be in serious jeopardy, methinks.

Posted on: 1/31 14:03
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Re: Jersey City rally in support of immigrants
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It's especially delicious when the honorable Senator Schumer (happy?) gets caught on two sides of the argument


Like they all do. None of this is new - as I pointed out with Sessions and Pence (and McConnell pretty much every time he opens his mouth these days) and Biden last year and Trump based on old tweets. That's politics - anyone who believes 100% of what any of these people says is naive. Why get so titillated?

On this topic though - and a serious question - you think Ryan regrets becoming speaker? I do.

Posted on: 1/31 13:17
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Re: Jersey City rally in support of immigrants
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You people made these weak arguments at the time and they were decisively rejected by the American people.


More of the redirect - the election is over. No one is on this board saying anything about Clinton (or Johnson, Stein or Sanders). You broke it, you bought it, cowboy. Deal with it. When your boy continues to shit the bed five times a day, you're going to hear about it. Just be sure to be at the ready with clean sheets.

A sizable number of republicans in the house and senate (and legitimate conservative press) acknowledge that the order was either a mistake or horrendously implemented and overreach. But because you continue your one man jihad on a community message board - I guess you're right. Clearly you know things none of us (or them) know. We should all kneel to you.

Posted on: 1/31 13:12
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Re: Jersey City rally in support of immigrants
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This has been answered.


Incorrectly. Throwing yourself on the floor and screaming it at the top of your lungs while wetting yourself isn't going to make it true.

In less than two weeks, the momentum for 2018 could not be growing faster. I see where Jeff Flake is getting primaried for not marching in step; may as well just hand that one over to the dems now. The snap back from this failed experiment with authoriatiran know-nothingism is going to make Bernie Sanders look positively centrist.

Posted on: 1/31 12:59
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Re: Mega development proposed for land near Liberty State Park
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That article is from 2014.

Posted on: 1/31 12:04
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Re: Jersey City rally in support of immigrants
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Boy - you love those 3rd grade name calling things and "gotcha" stuff don't you - kind of like the PrevaricatorOTUS.

No different than Pence's tweet on muslim bans or Sessions' grilling of Yates on her willingness to stand up against the president's unlawful orders.

Is tit for tat the best we have?

Posted on: 1/31 12:02
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Re: Jersey City rally in support of immigrants
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Did you feel the same way when Obama shut down Iraqis from entering the USA, or is this just because it's from President Trump?


Again, Melania? Think for yourself!

The Obama administration’s 2011 review came in response to specific threat information, including the arrest in Kentucky of two Iraqi refugees, still the only terrorism-related arrests out of about 130,000 Iraqi refugees and SIV holders admitted to the United States. Thus far, the Trump administration has provided no evidence, nor even asserted, that any specific information or intelligence has led to its draconian order.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/30/s ... -to-your-immigration-ban/

Posted on: 1/31 11:37
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Re: Mega development proposed for land near Liberty State Park
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Huh - Russians plus an opaque LLC. Would be interesting to know (especially in a mayoral election year) who the LLC is and what zoning changes/upsizing has occurred...

Posted on: 1/31 11:31
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Re: Jersey City rally in support of immigrants
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Blame Obama for putting those countries on the list.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/u ... ump-hit/story?id=45163884



Trump ran on his outrage at the system and how wrong (his view) Obama/Clinton and most recent presidents were on foreign policy, immigration, national security, trade, and a host of other issuers. Why does he (and his sycophantic chorus) always fall back on "Obama did it, too!!" Didn't you vote for him so he would be different?

Posted on: 1/31 11:11
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Re: Jersey City rally in support of immigrants
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When the 5 countries who have the largest concentration of Muslim citizens have no travel restrictions-it's not a Muslim ban, is it?


Answer me this, Melania - why no Saudi Arabia - where 15 of 19 of the Sept. 11 attackers came from? Or the UAE, where 3 of the remaining 4 came from? Or Egypt, where the other came from? Or Pakistan, where Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the 1993 WTC bombers and the San Bernadino shooters came from? Or Kyrgyzstan - where the Tsarnaevs came from?

Because this is all part of a show. Playing to people's fear and unquestioning partisanship to further divide. By blindly playing along, giving your man everything he desires, you are part of the problem.

Don't accept everything that is being handed to you, in the tidy fact-lite sound bite package. It's okay to not agree with every single thing he does. I supported Obama (and would vote for him again, if given the option), but have no problem saying he came up short on closing Guantanamo, was a disappointment in his excessive use of drones, didn't get enough back from the banks in exchange for bailing them out, among other things.


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Re: When is Trump going to start building the infrastructure he promised
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MDM wrote:

The United States has a massive debt bubble to deal with. Right now interest rates are basically negative in real terms, which has made the debt cheap to finance. A lot of the debt notes though are short term. A spike in interest rates will increase debt service significantly.


Yes it will and "president" trump is only going to make it worse.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/24/us/ ... t-deficit-trump.html?_r=0

"After seven years of fitful declines, the federal budget deficit is projected to swell again, adding nearly $10 trillion to the federal debt over the next 10 years, according to projections from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. The numbers reveal the strain that government debt could have on the economy as President Trump presses to slash taxes and ramp up spending."

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Re: NJT Bus with 2 Dozen Passengers Struck by Bullets - MLK Near Bidwell
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JCMan8 wrote:

I would certainly support stop and frisk of white people.


You absolutely would - because it will never happen, and you know it. Just like "the war against Christmas", dangerous Mexican rapists poring over the southern border and other whiny conservative bullshit make-believe victimization.



You asked a question and got an answer. Guess the answer goes against your silly worldview so you couldn't handle it.


Except the question wasn't to you. But thanks for pooping on a paper plate and leaving it here. Certainly enhanced the discussion.

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Re: NJT Bus with 2 Dozen Passengers Struck by Bullets - MLK Near Bidwell
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I would certainly support stop and frisk of white people.


You absolutely would - because it will never happen, and you know it. Just like "the war against Christmas", dangerous Mexican rapists poring over the southern border and other whiny conservative bullshit make-believe victimization.


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Re: NJT Bus with 2 Dozen Passengers Struck by Bullets - MLK Near Bidwell
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But okay - back to stop and frisk: a guy stole a bike from our garage and was caught on camera. He was white and from your neck of the woods, according to the police who wouldn't do anything about it. You're good with getting felt up a couple times a week on your way to/from work, right? You are definitely white, right?

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Re: NJT Bus with 2 Dozen Passengers Struck by Bullets - MLK Near Bidwell
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Huh - I'm so used to all of the childish "Whizzy" and "Whiney" stuff that I have to say I pretty much discount the Monroe brand.

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Re: NJT Bus with 2 Dozen Passengers Struck by Bullets - MLK Near Bidwell
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Monroe wrote:
Scheindlin was a joke of an activist judge, and comrade de Blasio didn't pursue an appeal (which many said would've prevailed) because he's also an activist mayor. And she has a history of having her decisions overturned by higher courts.


Back to page one of the playbook, Mary Pat? You don't like the answer then come up with unsubtantiated attacks and namecalling. Suprised you didn't say something was "rigged".

Sad!

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Re: Trump Our New President
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Obama is the first POTUS to be in a war during every day of his two terms.


God are you simple.

Posted on: 1/11 13:53
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Re: Trump Our New President
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It's not a coinky dinkee that this came out (again, it's been ignored since October by every major news provider) the day the Senate confirmations began, the day Obama gave his 'goodbye, I'm great' speech, and the day before Trump's presser where he'll outline his divesting strategy. Just another attempt to delegitimize his election, like the failed recount, the failed 'faithless elector' hilarity, the failed 'let's mess with the Electoral College voting procedure'.


I dunno, Mary Pat - Twitler went to all caps in his tweet denial. DEFCON 3, at the very least if you ask me.

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Re: Is JCLister Stringer a bot?
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Oh yeah? What's his/her personality like? Do all the conversations consist of telling you news stories? Just wondering. I had a friend who was a radio announcer, and his voice became dead silent every time I drove under a bridge when he was riding in my car.


Did your friend also have a seashell collection, scattered about the beaches of the world?

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Re: How teachers unions drive Jersey’s pension crisis
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The writer's group also spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on Jersey City's school board election to support the Jersey City United ticket.


In the interest of full disclosure of which you seem to be in favor, why not disclose your professional interest in this topic?

Posted on: 12/6 18:38
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Re: How teachers unions drive Jersey’s pension crisis
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Well, good luck finding a state that pays relatively high wages, has decent job opportunities, offers decent public transportation, a rich cultural life, and doesn't sock taxpayers -- or isn't slashing spending to the bone. That leaves, uh... Houston?


Washington/Seattle. The state has no income tax and property taxes are roughly half of NJ's, slightly less actually. Seattle is booming - lots of job growth in attractive, high paying sectors. Great infrastructure and public transportation with a lot of new investments being made. Wide and deep offering of cultural opportunities and somewhere between 17 and 9,564x more physically attractive than NJ. Seattle does have a high sales tax (as high as 9.6% - it varies by zip code.)

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