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dtjcview wrote:
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dtjcview wrote:
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Jersey_City-New_Jersey/crime/

I'd hazard a guess that you are equally likely to be a victim of crime almost anywhere in JC - if you factor out gang-related in-fighting.

You can guess all you want. The facts don't support your guessing. Kids around the world guess Santa Claus exists because they get presents but that doesn't make it true.

You are less safe in GV and BeLa than in DTJC. Period. That is fact.

Explain away the facts in the UCR then, which is probably the best set of stats we have available for JC, where East frequently tops the list.

http://www.njjcpd.org/node/5

DTJC is now known as EAST?

I thought neighborhoods were defined by zip codes...as 07302 is mostly DTJC and 07304 and 07305 is Bela and GV. Please show me that 07302 shows less crime, especially violent crime than 07304 and 07305.

Uh, Downtown is in the EAST DISTRICT. And since when is a neighborhood defined by a zip?

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DTJC is now known as EAST?

I thought neighborhoods were defined by zip codes...as 07302 is mostly DTJC and 07304 and 07305 is Bela and GV. Please show me that 07302 shows less crime, especially violent crime than 07304 and 07305.

You see that's where your own argument fails. The "facts" you linked from areavibe have a big word noted against them - estimate. Afaik JCPD doesn't publish crime locations more granular than whats in the UCR.

Areavibes (and other sites like Trulia, spotcrime, etc) probably take what meager crime stats they glean from sources outside of the JCPD, then use that to extrapolate their numbers. Without the real crime location those numbers could be badly skewed by any number of factors.

Plus the actual crime numbers in any given location may not be directly proportional to an individual's actual relative safety. For example if 90% of all violent crime in JC was committed on gang members, drug buyers/sellers plus domestic-related - doesn't that skew the picture?

An analogy might be that you wouldn't want to live in HP due to the high number of traffic accidents at the Holland tunnel. Most of us simply learn to cross the street or avoid it.

When you get some real facts - get back to us.

(PS: Candice mentioned on another thread that they were working on publishing crimes vs actual locations based on the UCR data. To date I don't think that has happened)

neverleft wrote:
Yeah you can?t define a JC neighborhood by just a zip code...

I found a pretty good JC zip code / neighborhood map.

http://www.zipmap.net/New_Jersey/Hudson_County/Jersey_City.htm

?This page shows a Google Map with an overlay of Zip Codes for Jersey City,
Hudson County, New Jersey. Users can easily view the boundaries of each Zip?

I like the way it defines JC hoods in a way that I knew them growing up. Although Marion is part of Journal Square on the map?hmmm the ?Marion Boys? wouldn?t like that at all. People are always asking for the boundaries of West Side and McGinley Square they were always tricky? the map shows them.

Nearby Neighborhoods
Bergen-Lafayette
Downtown
Greenville
Hackensack Riverfront
Journal Square
Liberty Park
Lincoln Park
McGinley Square
The Heights
The Waterfront
West Side

vindication15 wrote:
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dtjcview wrote:
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vindication15 wrote:
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http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Jersey_City-New_Jersey/crime/

I'd hazard a guess that you are equally likely to be a victim of crime almost anywhere in JC - if you factor out gang-related in-fighting.

You can guess all you want. The facts don't support your guessing. Kids around the world guess Santa Claus exists because they get presents but that doesn't make it true.

You are less safe in GV and BeLa than in DTJC. Period. That is fact.

Explain away the facts in the UCR then, which is probably the best set of stats we have available for JC, where East frequently tops the list.

http://www.njjcpd.org/node/5

DTJC is now known as EAST?

I thought neighborhoods were defined by zip codes...as 07302 is mostly DTJC and 07304 and 07305 is Bela and GV. Please show me that 07302 shows less crime, especially violent crime than 07304 and 07305.

vindication15 wrote:
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DTJC is now known as EAST?

I thought neighborhoods were defined by zip codes...as 07302 is mostly DTJC and 07304 and 07305 is Bela and GV. Please show me that 07302 shows less crime, especially violent crime than 07304 and 07305.

dtjcview wrote:
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vindication15 wrote:
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dtjcview wrote:
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Jersey_City-New_Jersey/crime/

I'd hazard a guess that you are equally likely to be a victim of crime almost anywhere in JC - if you factor out gang-related in-fighting.

You can guess all you want. The facts don't support your guessing. Kids around the world guess Santa Claus exists because they get presents but that doesn't make it true.

You are less safe in GV and BeLa than in DTJC. Period. That is fact.

Explain away the facts in the UCR then, which is probably the best set of stats we have available for JC, where East frequently tops the list.

http://www.njjcpd.org/node/5

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dtjcview wrote:
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Jersey_City-New_Jersey/crime/

I'd hazard a guess that you are equally likely to be a victim of crime almost anywhere in JC - if you factor out gang-related in-fighting.

You can guess all you want. The facts don't support your guessing. Kids around the world guess Santa Claus exists because they get presents but that doesn't make it true.

You are less safe in GV and BeLa than in DTJC. Period. That is fact.

dtjcview wrote:
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Jersey_City-New_Jersey/crime/

I'd hazard a guess that you are equally likely to be a victim of crime almost anywhere in JC - if you factor out gang-related in-fighting.

Greenvillechick wrote:
according to your stats:

The overall crime rate in Greenville is 5% lower than than the national average.For every 100,000 people, there are 8.05 daily crimes that occur in Greenville.Greenville is safer than 78% of the cities in the New Jersey.In Greenville you have a 1 in 35 chance of becoming a victim of any crime.The number of total year over year crimes in Jersey City has decreased by 13%.

Sooo..... its not a walk in the park but Greenville IS Jersey City too... or shall we just break off DTJC and rename it to something different?

I am a smart person with low income. Why is this board surprised by that combination?

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user1111 wrote:
Not sure if you are from the states, but there are drugs and crime everywhere. You can even get an 8 ball in the suburbs. Shocking right? not really.

absolutely. Even though I love living in DTJC, whether this happpened or not, it could have happened. Those of you who think dtjc is summit by the sea and need to denigrate others to support your naivite might want to look at the thread that recommends eye doctors. BTW, User your link to Greenville is appreciated here.

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JerseyJanet wrote:
I phoned the non-emergency number this morning. They transferred me to a detective. I described the bike (white, silver, odd seat, mountain bike) and he said they caught someone this morning. Same bike color. I described the person. But it wasn't the same as who they caught. I told him I swear it was the same man handing over drugs not half an hour later. He said they act fast and don't care what time of day and it didn't surprise him.

I did my part. Sorry I didn't call sooner but life responsibility got in the way.

I am glad you ultimately did the right thing. Even if it wasn't the right person, word about this will spread around & put those with something to hide on guard. You do not have to stick around or give your name, just give the info. As small as it seems, if everyone just takes that moment, you may not stop all crime but you can certainly make the criminals life miserable. The captain in the East District is a stand-up guy, go to his monthly meetings.

The police chief from Union City once told me that when he looked at the monthly stats & saw a boatload of calls his crime stats were lower & vice versa. If you see something, say something.


Oh by the way, if you are a troll God don't like ugly & the Webmaster will get you.

JerseyJanet wrote:
I phoned the non-emergency number this morning. They transferred me to a detective. I described the bike (white, silver, odd seat, mountain bike) and he said they caught someone this morning. Same bike color. I described the person. But it wasn't the same as who they caught. I told him I swear it was the same man handing over drugs not half an hour later. He said they act fast and don't care what time of day and it didn't surprise him.

I did my part. Sorry I didn't call sooner but life responsibility got in the way.

user1111 wrote:
Not sure if you are from the states, but there are drugs and crime everywhere. You can even get an 8 ball in the suburbs. Shocking right? not really.

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I walking with my kids along Columbus Ave. and Jersey Ave. and saw a man convincing two other men the bike he's trying to sell them isn't stolen because he wouldn't do that to people. It was odd and obvious a 'deal' was going down to offload this nice mountain bike. He seemed tweaked out. I rushed my kids along.

I see him again on Grove and Newark 15 minutes later with a group of unkempt people and he's handing over a small packet of white stuff while they shake hands. It was ridiculously obvious, I'm short and I was practically nose level to this transaction. It was ballsy. I couldn't believe this was in broad daylight at the Grove PATH station area. He had no bike with him then so probably sold it to those other two.

I seriously saw these two things, same man, in under half hour committing two crimes. People, families walking everywhere. I was with small children.

We think DTJC has changed?

Cool story. Another GV or BeLa resident sad about living in those neighborhoods. Anyone can makeup stories on an internet forum. I can make up stories about crime in GV or BeLa too except I don't have to as nj.com posts those crime stories DAILY. In any case, anyone interested in dtjc just needs to look at crime stats.

I'm with you. This person is an obvious troll. There have been several new accounts created recently for trolling purposes and I suspect the same individual is behind all of them.

As for this fake thread, in post #4, JerseyJanet stated that "she" is a "low income working mom." However, if you click on her profile, she claims that her real name is Scott.

I'd take a screenshot before the account holder changes his account information, but I just don't care. It's just some loser with nothing better to do than create fake profiles to try and push some agenda.