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No one talks about the cost of immigrantion, we spend billions when you add healthcare, education, housing but in the meantime, there is no money for bridges and tunnels which are falling apart and will becoma a tragedy. The illegal immigrant population will become part of the 47% that do not pay taxes.
http://www.fairus.org/issues/publications/state-cost-studies

I agree with you 100%, but the good guys won this issue. It's over, and we will get the illegal immigration crackdown we have desperately needed for years.

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Glad you decided to deflect to contagious diseases. Here's how Trump is helping the anti vaccine movement!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nationa ... ml?utm_term=.f77366ed6fee

These problems already exist because of American citizens trusting fake ass news and ignoring actual science.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/us/ ... -center-arizona.html?_r=0

Great- now actually read the article you shared because it literally states that the health officials say residents want to blame the migrants but the larger problem is actually the declining vaccination rate in Arizona. The first line of the article even points out that they are pressing federal officials for better cooperation because some of the EMPLOYEES were slow to be vaccinated. I'm sure Trump propping up all these anti-science morons will only increase this issue and then you get to read some article from Fox News that tells you it's just all the brown people bringing measles in.

Yes, I did read the article. The US was tardy in vaccinating the immigrants, but let's get real, vaccines are also available in other countries. The immigrants were not vaccinated. If nothing else, the UN does give out vaccines. There are other health problems like diabetes and heart disease which also puts a strain on our health care system. http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/NealAs ... ncy/2013/05/09/id/503579/

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No one talks about the cost of immigrantion, we spend billions when you add healthcare, education, housing but in the meantime, there is no money for bridges and tunnels which are falling apart and will becoma a tragedy. The illegal immigrant population will become part of the 47% that do not pay taxes.
http://www.fairus.org/issues/publications/state-cost-studies

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My family were peasants in Europe while the slave trade was active all over the world, and you do know it was other black Africans who rounded up other black Africans and sold them, right?

But I'm sure glad we had President Lincoln and the Republican party to end slavery.

And you do know that the parties have swapped roles in the liberal/conservative spectrum in the late 1800s thru early 1900s. The Republican Party started out as the liberal extreme, they have now finally made it to the conservative extreme. Oh wait, no education, eh?

I guess you missed all the votes on civil rights in the sixties that Democrats opposed and Republicans supported . . .

I'm assuming you're talking about the southern "Dixiecrats" who were (to use the current vernacular) "Democrat In Name Only," and started joining the Republican party as soon as that happened in the 1960s.

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My family were peasants in Europe while the slave trade was active all over the world, and you do know it was other black Africans who rounded up other black Africans and sold them, right?

But I'm sure glad we had President Lincoln and the Republican party to end slavery.

And you do know that the parties have swapped roles in the liberal/conservative spectrum in the late 1800s thru early 1900s. The Republican Party started out as the liberal extreme, they have now finally made it to the conservative extreme. Oh wait, no education, eh?

I guess you missed all the votes on civil rights in the sixties that Democrats opposed and Republicans supported . . .

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TonyTwoPoops wrote:

Glad you decided to deflect to contagious diseases. Here's how Trump is helping the anti vaccine movement!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nationa ... ml?utm_term=.f77366ed6fee

These problems already exist because of American citizens trusting fake ass news and ignoring actual science.

+1

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/us/ ... -center-arizona.html?_r=0

Great- now actually read the article you shared because it literally states that the health officials say residents want to blame the migrants but the larger problem is actually the declining vaccination rate in Arizona. The first line of the article even points out that they are pressing federal officials for better cooperation because some of the EMPLOYEES were slow to be vaccinated. I'm sure Trump propping up all these anti-science morons will only increase this issue and then you get to read some article from Fox News that tells you it's just all the brown people bringing measles in.

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Monroe wrote:
My family were peasants in Europe while the slave trade was active all over the world, and you do know it was other black Africans who rounded up other black Africans and sold them, right?

But I'm sure glad we had President Lincoln and the Republican party to end slavery.

And you do know that the parties have swapped roles in the liberal/conservative spectrum in the late 1800s thru early 1900s. The Republican Party started out as the liberal extreme, they have now finally made it to the conservative extreme. Oh wait, no education, eh?

Monroe wrote:
My family were peasants in Europe while the slave trade was active all over the world, and you do know it was other black Africans who rounded up other black Africans and sold them, right?

But I'm sure glad we had President Lincoln and the Republican party to end slavery.

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And this accomplished what?????????????

It lets the world know that some people / individuals of the U.S don't agree with Trump's foreign policy on banning citizens from certain countries from entering ... it should be a human right to seek safety from wars or civil unrest until normality returns!

No, there isn't a human right to resettle where you desire and expect the host country to pay for your housing, health care, education-and then listen to you demanding that the host permit Sharia law. It's not working in Europe.

I guess when it came to kidnapping / slavery it was ok and to also deny them of their culture, tradition and beliefs ... not to mention denying the native american the same ... the US citizen can be a narcissistic, bizarre and hypocritical species ... maybe we shouldn't of allowed all the jews and european refugees after the first and second world wars too!

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And this accomplished what?????????????

It lets the world know that some people / individuals of the U.S don't agree with Trump's foreign policy on banning citizens from certain countries from entering ... it should be a human right to seek safety from wars or civil unrest until normality returns!

No, there isn't a human right to resettle where you desire and expect the host country to pay for your housing, health care, education-and then listen to you demanding that the host permit Sharia law. It's not working in Europe.

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Glad you decided to deflect to contagious diseases. Here's how Trump is helping the anti vaccine movement!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nationa ... ml?utm_term=.f77366ed6fee

These problems already exist because of American citizens trusting fake ass news and ignoring actual science.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/us/ ... -center-arizona.html?_r=0

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TonyTwoPoops wrote:

Glad you decided to deflect to contagious diseases. Here's how Trump is helping the anti vaccine movement!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nationa ... ml?utm_term=.f77366ed6fee

These problems already exist because of American citizens trusting fake ass news and ignoring actual science.

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TonyTwoPoops wrote:

Glad you decided to deflect to contagious diseases. Here's how Trump is helping the anti vaccine movement!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nationa ... ml?utm_term=.f77366ed6fee

These problems already exist because of American citizens trusting fake ass news and ignoring actual science.

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Hey, TonyTwoPoops, what a silly name, now returning to the subject, the USA is 5% of the world's population. We cannot allow people in that want to come in, we will be taxing people to death, as it is we are pushing that debt off to the future. Futhermore, immigration is a privilege not a right.
It is wrong to compare the immigration from the early 20th century to now. First, there was plenty of jobs, second, Ellis Island did a health check, unlike today where people enter some are very sick and diseases like measles have returned. Unfortunately, a few people do die from mealses. But there are more serious diseases coming here like leprosy which rarely makes the paper, but it was reported at Beth Israel some years ago. TB is high with the immigrant population and this is deadly for American seniors.
The European immigrants built their own Catholic schools so they were not a burden on taxpayers. NJ spends $20,000 each on student and there is no distinction on American citizens and non-American citizens on education.
Many hospitals were used by recent immigrants that some went out of business, I remember an article from the New York Tmes in 2002 on this very subject.

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When people come here illegally, it also forces American citizens to compete with them for resources, for something as simple as a parking space to something major as an apartment. Then there is a cost of education and the impact of our healthcare. There has been articles of measles outbreak and TB among illegal immigrants.

Just want to clarify something- you are allegedly super religious ....but you want to send people who are fleeing for their lives back to a certain death because you need the parking spots?

So everyone who comes here is fleeing for their lives? I doubt that. By the way there is the negative to immigration that no one talks about. Let's compare Cuba and Poland. Many Cubans people flee here and Castro until his death and friends are still in power more than 60 years later. When President Reagan saw the uprising of the Polish people against Communism, he closed the borders to the USA. The people had to address this problem. We know what happened. They won and they have freedom. Cuba is still under a dictatorship.

Well - first of all, nice deflection on you being the worst kind of religious zealot. "I know people are getting blown up but what about my parking spots???!!"

Your idea of shutting off any chance of exit from the country in distress by not allowing anyone to seek refuge elsewhere because it will somehow force them to figure out a resolution is absolutely stupid. You are essentially blocking all the exits of a building on fire with that strategy. Be glad there is no actual hell because that line of thought certainly guarantees you'll end up there if there is one. Look at Aleppo and tell me how well that strategy of yours works.

Also you don't think refugees are fleeing for their lives? Do you read anything besides JCList? Can you point out Syria on a map?

We let in the Boston Bombers family and their children said thanks by creating a bomb. We also paid for other fees. Russia also warned us about this family but we ignored this.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/04/25 ... otel-lawyers-and-security

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When people come here illegally, it also forces American citizens to compete with them for resources, for something as simple as a parking space to something major as an apartment. Then there is a cost of education and the impact of our healthcare. There has been articles of measles outbreak and TB among illegal immigrants.

Just want to clarify something- you are allegedly super religious ....but you want to send people who are fleeing for their lives back to a certain death because you need the parking spots?

So everyone who comes here is fleeing for their lives? I doubt that. By the way there is the negative to immigration that no one talks about. Let's compare Cuba and Poland. Many Cubans people flee here and Castro until his death and friends are still in power more than 60 years later. When President Reagan saw the uprising of the Polish people against Communism, he closed the borders to the USA. The people had to address this problem. We know what happened. They won and they have freedom. Cuba is still under a dictatorship.

Well - first of all, nice deflection on you being the worst kind of religious zealot. "I know people are getting blown up but what about my parking spots???!!"

Your idea of shutting off any chance of exit from the country in distress by not allowing anyone to seek refuge elsewhere because it will somehow force them to figure out a resolution is absolutely stupid. You are essentially blocking all the exits of a building on fire with that strategy. Be glad there is no actual hell because that line of thought certainly guarantees you'll end up there if there is one. Look at Aleppo and tell me how well that strategy of yours works.

Also you don't think refugees are fleeing for their lives? Do you read anything besides JCList? Can you point out Syria on a map?

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When people come here illegally, it also forces American citizens to compete with them for resources, for something as simple as a parking space to something major as an apartment. Then there is a cost of education and the impact of our healthcare. There has been articles of measles outbreak and TB among illegal immigrants.

Just want to clarify something- you are allegedly super religious ....but you want to send people who are fleeing for their lives back to a certain death because you need the parking spots?

So everyone who comes here is fleeing for their lives? I doubt that. By the way there is the negative to immigration that no one talks about. Let's compare Cuba and Poland. Many Cubans people flee here and Castro until his death and friends are still in power more than 60 years later. When President Reagan saw the uprising of the Polish people against Communism, he closed the borders to the USA. The people had to address this problem. We know what happened. They won and they have freedom. Cuba is still under a dictatorship.

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When people come here illegally, it also forces American citizens to compete with them for resources, for something as simple as a parking space to something major as an apartment. Then there is a cost of education and the impact of our healthcare. There has been articles of measles outbreak and TB among illegal immigrants.

Just want to clarify something- you are allegedly super religious ....but you want to send people who are fleeing for their lives back to a certain death because you need the parking spots?

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When people come here illegally, it also forces American citizens to compete with them for resources, for something as simple as a parking space to something major as an apartment. Then there is a cost of education and the impact of our healthcare. There has been articles of measles outbreak and TB among illegal immigrants.

Just want to clarify something- you are allegedly super religious ....but you want to send people who are fleeing for their lives back to a certain death because you need the parking spots?

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When people come here illegally, it also forces American citizens to compete with them for resources, for something as simple as a parking space to something major as an apartment. Then there is a cost of education and the impact of our healthcare. There has been articles of measles outbreak and TB among illegal immigrants.

mscottc wrote:
I really love the attitude of conservatives. I got here, I got my piece of the American pie, fuck those who come after me. This has been going on for as long as people have been coming to America from other parts of the world.

For the record, I have no problems deporting ILLEGAL immigrants, but to do so without fair hearings as is going on now, that's atrocious. And to deport kids who have grown up here, when their parents brought them in as kids, also lousy.

But this paranoia that immigrants are the root of this nation's problems, well that's just selfish. We are all the product of immigration.

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About 7 years ago, my son left his job to pursue another activity. Before he started this new adventure, he wanted to travel. He went to Canada. The border guards took his passport and his license and did a background check, they found nothing. They went throught his personal luggage and found nothing. Yet they denied him entry. They said they are denying an unemployed American entry to Canada because jobs here are for the locals. Later, when employed he lost his desire to visit Canada. Canada puts out the hype of liberal borders and Americans believe this hype. Europe right now is suffering from the consequences of their liberal borders. There are no jobs for the immigrants and crime is up.

Hey Yvonne- Your son isn't a refugee. This is a totally irrelevant story. No one gives a shit. Try to keep up.

I was making a point, because immigrants come here on tempory Visas and stayed. Case in point, the blind sheik that caused the first bombing in 1993 on the World Trade Center. He made his home in Journal Square. People do use vacations as a ploy and the Canadian guard was not having any of it that day.

Other countries are far smarter than us in regards to their immigration policies.

Luckily President Trump has finally brought us up to speed. So long, illegals!

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About 7 years ago, my son left his job to pursue another activity. Before he started this new adventure, he wanted to travel. He went to Canada. The border guards took his passport and his license and did a background check, they found nothing. They went throught his personal luggage and found nothing. Yet they denied him entry. They said they are denying an unemployed American entry to Canada because jobs here are for the locals. Later, when employed he lost his desire to visit Canada. Canada puts out the hype of liberal borders and Americans believe this hype. Europe right now is suffering from the consequences of their liberal borders. There are no jobs for the immigrants and crime is up.

Hey Yvonne- Your son isn't a refugee. This is a totally irrelevant story. No one gives a shit. Try to keep up.

I was making a point, because immigrants come here on tempory Visas and stayed. Case in point, the blind sheik that caused the first bombing in 1993 on the World Trade Center. He made his home in Journal Square. People do use vacations as a ploy and the Canadian guard was not having any of it that day.