JCMan8 wrote:
You are being obtuse and dangerous.

These Muslim refugees and Muslim immigrants have committed violent crimes and bombings everywhere they have entered.

They have degraded the quality of life in France and other sections of Europe.

A Somali immigrant stabbed 9 people in a MN mall...

Hillary proposes to bring in hundreds of thousands more Muslim immigrants and refugees. This is the LAST thing we should be doing.

And there is nothing in the Constitution that requires us to take ANY of these people, let alone increasing the number we take in.

There is no benefit to allowing their immigration and a lot of cost. So it should be halted. It's simple, though people like you try to make the issue far more complicated than it needs to be.

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Historically, the term 'terrorism' refers to a deadly act done in the name of political, racial, or religious ideology. Large-scale killings perpetuated for the sake of violence is not the same thing as terrorism, although both are reprehensible and both cause terror.

For this reason, it is customary for most officials to wait to label it until a motive is established.

It is fine to dispute the need for such distinctions, but you can't pretend that this distinction doesn't exist.

Personally, I don't see the harm in waiting to make pronouncements until more information is available. It's not as if every lead won't be examined, etc. To me, this just shows prudence and level-headedness on the part of authorities.




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We don't have a clue who did it, but Comrade de Blasio has no clue if he's saying that there is no link to terrorism. It may not be Muslims, or some right or left wing nutjob, but it was meant to cause terror.

I thought the same thing... on the one hand he states in no uncertain terms that the device and explosion were on purpose, but then goes on to deny it has any links to terrorism. I don't think he understands the meaning of that word. Perhaps he meant to say that there is no known link to terrorist organizations, or Islamic terrorism, but a premeditated bomb explosion is terrorism, no ifs or buts about it.

So you choose to ignore what happened in St. Cloud, where ISIS is claiming this person is their soldier and there is a link between the bombs in NY and NJ. Personally, I wish it is a kid playing with bombs, but it will not be the case. It wasn't in Boston, Orlando, and all the other places. No one wants to think terrorism is in their backyard. I have to say, people like you are just as scary as the terrorists. We cannot have a rational policy to protect this country because you are afraid of offending someone.

Many years ago, my brother drove a cab in California when he was attending college. One of drivers was Muslim and he said this country is stupid, he continued to say we will over take this country because of your freedom. Apparently, that driver was not boasting but telling the agenda of some who believe in martyrdom.

I_heart_JC wrote:
Trump has already put us in danger.

His anti-Muslim, us-vs-them rhetoric is doing more for ISIS recruitment than the promise of 72 virgins.

His claim that "Obama is the architect of ISIS" is being taken seriously in parts of the Muslim world, and is sowing distrust and furthering division.

A Trump victory in November is exactly what ISIS is praying for, and we can brace ourselves for more of these attacks in their attempt to make it so.

I_heart_JC wrote:
Trump has already put us in danger.

His anti-Muslim, us-vs-them rhetoric is doing more for ISIS recruitment than the promise of 72 virgins.

His claim that "Obama is the architect of ISIS" is being taken seriously in parts of the Muslim world, and is sowing distrust and furthering division.

A Trump victory in November is exactly what ISIS is praying for, and we can brace ourselves for more of these attacks in their attempt to make it so.

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Meanwhile in Gotham, has the bomber revealed him/herself?

Edit - 2pm - the tumblr page has been taken down - here is the "manifesto" content that was posted:

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Yvonne wrote:
As I said before, the danger is from two sources, the terrorists and the people in government who rationalizes their behavior. They are just as scary as the terrorists.

Good grief

Explaining behavior is a critical step in figuring out why people engage in certain types of criminal and/or terrorist acts. It is definitely not the same thing as excusing it.

Meanwhile, blaming Syrian war refugees because of the actions of an Afghani-born naturalized US citizen makes no sense whatsoever, and yes that's hateful. Proclaiming that there are parts of European cities that are made awful by Muslims is not only Islamophobic, it's ignorant and hateful. Such statements do not bring us any understanding, and certainly do not prevent these types of attacks.

Yvonne wrote:
As I said before, the danger is from two sources, the terrorists and the people in government who rationalizes their behavior. They are just as scary as the terrorists.

Christine wrote:
I'm not rationalizing anything. What solutions does Trump bring up? I would love to hear them. I don't mean blanket promises that are unconstitutional. I mean REAL solutions.

If he is elected, it's not because "people are fed up...," it's because some people refuse to educate themselves on what IS constitutional, executable and reality based. We can all run around like 5th graders promising a longer lunch period if we are elected class president...but adults know better, right? Or do they?

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You and others on this blog rationalize behavior. This country cannot fix problems because you are afraid rights will be harm. Whether it is people dying over drugs or bombs, Americans are dying due to our porous borders and liberal policy on immigration. I have no respect for Trump but he does bring up solutions to problems. If he is elected it is because people are fed up this the liberal agenda in this country.

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I'm not rationalizing anything. What solutions does Trump bring up? I would love to hear them. I don't mean blanket promises that are unconstitutional. I mean REAL solutions.

If he is elected, it's not because "people are fed up...," it's because some people refuse to educate themselves on what IS constitutional, executable and reality based. We can all run around like 5th graders promising a longer lunch period if we are elected class president...but adults know better, right? Or do they?

Yvonne wrote:

You and others on this blog rationalize behavior. This country cannot fix problems because you are afraid rights will be harm. Whether it is people dying over drugs or bombs, Americans are dying due to our porous borders and liberal policy on immigration. I have no respect for Trump but he does bring up solutions to problems. If he is elected it is because people are fed up this the liberal agenda in this country.

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When I see things like, "maybe Trump is right," it sickens me. Right about what? That we can build walls to fix our problems?? Maybe the United States can become one huge labyrinth with signs saying who can go into which area.

We live in a world of social media and constant communication...it changes the approach from physical barriers to something far more sophisticated.

When someone shows you their character as he has, believe what you see. I see someone who is wholly interested in self promotion, blatantly ignorant of how this country operates and intellectually incurious. Am I missing something?

As I said before, what is just as dangerous as terrorist, are the liberals who justify their behavior or rationalize it. You are the reason the borders are porous and this country has problems. People are dying from the drugs coming from our southern borders. I read somewhere in the 1990s, the USA consumes 70% of all illegal drugs, yet we are 5% of the population. Now we have terrorists bent on killing Americans. There are two problems terrorists and liberals.

Yvonne, what is your story?? I write a comment and I AM THE REASON this country has problems? Right there, you need to recognize that YOU have serious problems. Not everyone lives in your dystopian nonreality. I refuse to.

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When I see things like, "maybe Trump is right," it sickens me. Right about what? That we can build walls to fix our problems?? Maybe the United States can become one huge labyrinth with signs saying who can go into which area.

We live in a world of social media and constant communication...it changes the approach from physical barriers to something far more sophisticated.

When someone shows you their character as he has, believe what you see. I see someone who is wholly interested in self promotion, blatantly ignorant of how this country operates and intellectually incurious. Am I missing something?

As I said before, what is just as dangerous as terrorist, are the liberals who justify their behavior or rationalize it. You are the reason the borders are porous and this country has problems. People are dying from the drugs coming from our southern borders. I read somewhere in the 1990s, the USA consumes 70% of all illegal drugs, yet we are 5% of the population. Now we have terrorists bent on killing Americans. There are two problems terrorists and liberals.

user1111 wrote:
Trump was never right and never will be right. The deplorable bunch will say anything.

Christine wrote:
When I see things like, "maybe Trump is right," it sickens me. Right about what? That we can build walls to fix our problems?? Maybe the United States can become one huge labyrinth with signs saying who can go into which area.

We live in a world of social media and constant communication...it changes the approach from physical barriers to something far more sophisticated.

When someone shows you their character as he has, believe what you see. I see someone who is wholly interested in self promotion, blatantly ignorant of how this country operates and intellectually incurious. Am I missing something?

manu wrote:

So do you stop immigration from a set of pre-defined list of countries (what countries would that be?) or immigration all together?

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user1111 wrote:
Because America and Europe are responsible, they are the one who are bombing these people country for the last 15 years.

And the Saudi princes are the one who financed 9/11, the reason for the lawsuits that Obama wants to dismiss. Besides, the Syrian refugees has to do with the Arab Spring, not 9/11. Let's keep the facts straight.

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You mean that Trump's 'extreme vetting' plan would not work as vetting isn't possible?

No, unless we occupy the whole damn country and build up a database on the citizenry there over a period of years. We kind of can do this with some of the Afghans and Iraqis (the ones that worked for the US military). Pretty much anyone else, it is impossible.

The only thing that will work is to not bring in any of these people in the first place.

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Because America and Europe are responsible, they are the one who are bombing these people country for the last 15 years.

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JCMan8 wrote:
Of course that was his name. Of course that was his religion.

When we hear about a mass shooting at a school, no one is surprised when it turns out to be a white Christian who is a natural-born citizen.

It wasn't that long ago that it was Irish Catholics bombing the UK, or white middle-class hippies bombing the US.

There are plenty of white conservative gun owners who have suggested resorting to violence if the government tries to seize their weapons (a policy that no one in the government has actually suggested btw).


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To deluded people like Jerseymom....

There is no "delusion" involved when someone says "wait for the evidence."


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People who are unwilling to integrate into our society and culture SHOULD NOT be allowed to immigrate.

1) In the 1920s, the Big Fear (specifically, the Red Scare) was over anarchists and Bolsheviks who were, wait for it... mostly immigrants of Italian descent. Today, for some strange reason, we regard Italians as thoroughly assimilated -- despite describing them in the same terms as we do Muslims today. What a surprise.

2) No, there is absolutely no requirement that immigrants absorb our culture -- nor is it clear what that means anyway. What they are required to do is the same thing as every other citizen and immigrant, namely obey the law.

And no, a tiny handful of the 3.3 million Muslims causing problems is not sufficient to bar entire communities.

3) It is unconstitutional and illegal to bar Muslims from the United States.


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Trump is right. Enlarging ghettos of Muslims does not advance American interests and in fact endangers us.

Trump has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. My cat is better qualified to deal with the problems of domestic terrorism than he is.

To wit: What exact policies does he offer, to stop a lone terrorist who plants several pressure cooker bombs? What would he do to prevent this? Is he going to denaturalize every single Muslim in the United States?

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Assnif:

may you have a 1000 sons and each one be named Mohammed.

#Bismillah !




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BITCH PLEASE! She doesn't have to do a thing you say!

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JCMan8 wrote:
There was also just an explosion in a Virginia mall.

And an earlier explosion in a garbage in NJ.

Could be ISIS or another Muslim group.

STOP - THERE IS NO EVIDENCE IT IS A MUSLIM GROUP - JUST STOP IT ALREADY!

You need to make an open apology to the group.