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Thank you for making this excellent point. Because I do have 2 kids that often nap in their stroller, and a double stroller that doesn't fit through the turnstile, and a bad back. Even if a passing stranger is available to help, which is not always the case, it's still hard to carry them up and down the escalator (scary, due to the weight) then lift them up and over the turnstile gate, then up and down the platform stairs. At the very least, if the gates were unchained, it would make things easier. Where is the station agent? MIA, almost always, it seems.

Doesn't matter if the station agent is present or not - they won't help. I had a friend who got off at the Grove Str station about 3 weeks ago, not realizing it doesn't have an elevator. She has a stroller, a 4-yr old, and quite a bit of grocery. Luckily, she actually found a station agent, and asked if he could help her get the stroller up the stairs. He actually told her "No", he cannot help because that's not on the list in his job description. God forbid these people to ever step over the line to do some good out of the kindness of their heart.

Please don't shoot the messenger, he was just following orders. There is a set of rules employees must not deviate from doing so can result in a disciplinary action. We live in a litigious society where liabilities are a concern. Will you take the brunt of the blame after the fact ?

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Thank you for making this excellent point. Because I do have 2 kids that often nap in their stroller, and a double stroller that doesn't fit through the turnstile, and a bad back. Even if a passing stranger is available to help, which is not always the case, it's still hard to carry them up and down the escalator (scary, due to the weight) then lift them up and over the turnstile gate, then up and down the platform stairs. At the very least, if the gates were unchained, it would make things easier. Where is the station agent? MIA, almost always, it seems.

Doesn't matter if the station agent is present or not - they won't help. I had a friend who got off at the Grove Str station about 3 weeks ago, not realizing it doesn't have an elevator. She has a stroller, a 4-yr old, and quite a bit of grocery. Luckily, she actually found a station agent, and asked if he could help her get the stroller up the stairs. He actually told her "No", he cannot help because that's not on the list in his job description. God forbid these people to ever step over the line to do some good out of the kindness of their heart.

Moreinfo wrote:

Thank you for making this excellent point. Because I do have 2 kids that often nap in their stroller, and a double stroller that doesn't fit through the turnstile, and a bad back. Even if a passing stranger is available to help, which is not always the case, it's still hard to carry them up and down the escalator (scary, due to the weight) then lift them up and over the turnstile gate, then up and down the platform stairs. At the very least, if the gates were unchained, it would make things easier. Where is the station agent? MIA, almost always, it seems.

user1111 wrote:
From their site..

such a strollers, and unenclosed conveyances, such as handtrucks, may be carried on an escalator only if they are emptied of their contents, folded into the smallest size possible, and both the conveyance and its contents may be safely and securely hand-carried on the escalator.

SRhia wrote:
I understand the reasoning behind folding a stroller and all that, however, sometimes it's not practical. And even not safe.

For me - I'd feel safer if my kid is in the stroller on the station platform. that's because he's strapped in, and can't go anywhere. Where as if he's out of the stroller, I need to hold the folder stroller with one hand, and the kid in the other. What if I have two kids? What if I also have bags of stuff (diaper bags, groceries, etc)? It can get very dangerous very fast (regardless whether the station is full or not).

user1111 wrote:
From their site..

such a strollers, and unenclosed conveyances, such as handtrucks, may be carried on an escalator only if they are emptied of their contents, folded into the smallest size possible, and both the conveyance and its contents may be safely and securely hand-carried on the escalator.

user1111 wrote:
From their site..

such a strollers, and unenclosed conveyances, such as handtrucks, may be carried on an escalator only if they are emptied of their contents, folded into the smallest size possible, and both the conveyance and its contents may be safely and securely hand-carried on the escalator.

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Babies should be taken out of strollers and strollers should be folded up before entering the PATH system.

That's just your opinion. I often see mothers by themselves struggling while trying to push a stroller (or, sometimes carrying a baby in their arms) while also juggling whatever else they are toting. The PA doesn't make any easier for them by lacking elevators and working escalators at all stations. If being able to push a stroller makes their life easier, so be it. Show some compassion and empathy and lend them a hand if they need it. Trust me, they will really appreciate it and will thank you for it.

Its not an opinion its a rule on PATH and MTA and so are backpacks. What you see are selfish people who don't give a damn about you or me.

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Babies should be taken out of strollers and strollers should be folded up before entering the PATH system.

That's just your opinion. I often see mothers by themselves struggling while trying to push a stroller (or, sometimes carrying a baby in their arms) while also juggling whatever else they are toting. The PA doesn't make any easier for them by lacking elevators and working escalators at all stations. If being able to push a stroller makes their life easier, so be it. Show some compassion and empathy and lend them a hand if they need it. Trust me, they will really appreciate it and will thank you for it.

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Babies should be taken out of strollers and strollers should be folded up before entering the PATH system.

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Re: the Grove Street PATH elevator construction. The gates for stroller access at the turnstiles are always locked, with no workers to unlock the gate around. Is this legal? Because lifting the stroller over that gate is an accident waiting to happen...

The two exits along Greenwich Street the lead up to the memorial plaza in front of 3WTC are also completely unfinished. All of that could be remedied between now and March, but if that is the current state of the exits that we can actually see, I'd bet that the various exits that are out of our sight are also a long way from being commuter ready.

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WSJ: WTC PATH Transportation Hub to open in first week of March

I'm calling bullshit on this time frame right now...

They must have done a media blitz today, as a ton of regional publications and websites are reporting the same thing.

I was just in the WTC station on Sunday and it seemed very much like a construction zone nowhere near completion. March sounds SUPER ambitious. But, what do I know? It's only 7 years behind schedule (if going by Pataki's prediction of a 2009 completion!)

Voyeur wrote:
WSJ: WTC PATH Transportation Hub to open in first week of March

I'm calling bullshit on this time frame right now...

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PATH installed 8 6x5 billboards permanently affixed to the middle of the Grove station. Unbelievable taking up so much space on an already crowded platform not to mention the reduced space for their two year elevator project. PATH "Tear down this wall !"

Isn't that where the second elevator is going to the track level?

PATH installed 8 6x5 billboards permanently affixed to the middle of the Grove station. Unbelievable taking up so much space on an already crowded platform not to mention the reduced space for their two year elevator project. PATH "Tear down this wall !"