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The good news though, is that this is not up to Governor Christie. We know Governor Christie is trying to become President Christie, but he's not there yet," Ofer said. "Our Supreme Court has made it clear that when it comes to decisions regarding foreign affairs and the immigration policy, that it is up to the federal government and specifically the president of the United States (regarding resettlement of refugees)."

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Please stop the Muslims from entering he United States, and send back recent ones until they go through a detailed check as we did with those who came here before them.

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?Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.?

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31 States now refusing syrian refugees.

Today in Serbia they arrested a syrian refugee with a fake passport.

ISIS fighters are using fake Syrian Refugee passports

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"Sydney schoolgirl suspended after lauding Paris terrorist attacks and ISIS in class"

A YEAR 7 student at Birrong Girls High School has been punished by the Education Department for praising ?Islamic State and the recent terrorist attacks in Paris, concerned parents revealed.

Worried moderate Muslim parents contacted the school and met with the deputy principal yesterday to raise their concerns about the girl.

?She was talking about the bombings and explosions in Paris and Beirut,? the mother of a student who witnessed the taunts said last night.

https://twitter.com/dailytelegraph/status/666775364828532737

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wo ... ants-you-to-hate-muslims/

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Hating Muslims plays right into the Islamic State?s hands

After the terrorist attacks Friday night in Paris, it did not take long for anti-Muslim forces to lash out around the world.

A mosque in Canada was deliberately set on fire Saturday, Ontario police say. In Oregon, anti-Muslim protesters held a rally outside the Portland Rizwan Mosque, one of them with a shirt that said ?Proud to be an infidel. Islam is a LIE.? In Florida, the Islamic Center of St. Petersburg received a bomb threat over voice mail: ?We are tired of your [expletive] and I [expletive] personally have a militia that is going to come down to your Islamic Society of Pinellas County and firebomb you and shoot whoever is there in the head,? the caller said, according to News 13.

And in France, while politicians stressed national unity, local news outlets reported several incidents of mosques, kebab restaurants and halal butcher shops being vandalized with hate messages. A tribute in Lille for the victims of the attacks was disrupted by demonstrators carrying a banner that read: ?Expel the Islamists.?

This is what the Islamic State, also known as ISIS, wants.

?This is precisely what ISIS was aiming for ? to provoke communities to commit actions against Muslims,? said Arie Kruglanski, a professor of psychology at the University of Maryland who studies how people become terrorists. ?Then ISIS will be able to say, ?I told you so. These are your enemies, and the enemies of Islam.??

The moments after a terrorist attack are often filled with acts of reprisal. In the six months after the Charlie Hebdo attacks in January, anti-Muslim violence and mosque vandalism more than quadrupled compared with the same period in 2014, according to the Collective Against Islamophobia in France, a watchdog group.

Extremist groups feed off of alienation, some counterterrorism experts say, and Islamist militants deliberately aim to make Muslims in the West feel isolated and turn against their own communities.

According to this line of thinking, acts of terrorism widen the cultural divide by provoking hate crimes against Muslims in the West. This strategy gained traction in the early 2000s after al-Qaeda was sent into hiding by Western military action. Abu Musab al-Suri, an influential jihadi thinker whom the Wall Street Journal called ?the new mastermind of jihad,? argued for a distributed network of terrorist cells recruited from the Islamic diaspora, carrying out terrorist strikes in their own communities. These attacks, and the backlash they generated, would inspire other to radicalize.

"What the Islamic State wants to do is to start a civil war,? political scientist Gilles Kepel said Saturday in an interview with French newspaper Le Monde. Kepel, a professor at Sciences Po and an Islamic State expert, has extensively studied the ideology and strategies of modern-day jihadis.

Al-Suri, Kepel said, had a vision: ?a proliferation of blind attacks that will provoke lynchings of Muslims, attacks on mosques, harassment of women in veils, and create hotspots of war that will put fire and sword to Europe, seen as the soft underbelly of the West."

The attacks on Paris this weekend seemed to follow al-Suri?s script. Four of the terrorists have been identified as French or Belgian nationals who were recruited in the West. And if these early incidents are any indication, anti-Muslim sentiment will again surge in Europe, further distancing Muslim communities.

A study published last year in the Economic Journal found that the spike in anti-Muslim hate crimes after 9/11 led to a decline in assimilation rates in American Muslim communities. In places where hate crimes increased the most, Muslim immigrants in subsequent years spoke English less fluently, were less likely to marry non-Muslims, and women were less likely to be working.

These trends occurred independently of pre-existing patterns of immigration. As the authors write, the results ?suggest that terror groups may try to provoke a backlash against their own ethnic or religious group in the targeted country, in order to halt the assimilation of Muslim adherents into Western society.?

The problem of alienation is particularly acute in Europe, where there are large populations of Muslim immigrants concentrated in ethnic enclaves, who suffer discrimination and lack economic opportunity. ?A territorial, social, ethnic apartheid has spread across our country,? is how French Prime Minister Manuel Valls described the situation in January after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. For some youths living in France, the situation can quickly become a recipe for radicalization.

Kruglanski?s research investigates why people join groups like the Islamic State. He argues that recruits are propelled by a need for respect and self-esteem. ?It?s the desire to matter, to be noticed, to become a historic figure,? he says. ?It?s the most powerful motivation we have.? Kruglanski calls it the ?quest for personal significance.?

This craving can be keenest among those who feel lonely and tread upon. ?When people feel a loss of significance ? when they are humiliated ? that propels them to join a radical group,? says Jocelyn B?langer, a psychology professor at the University of Quebec in Montreal who collaborates with Kruglanski. ?A group gives them a feeling of significance. It fulfills a psychological need.?

The researchers see the Paris attacks increasing radicalization in two potential ways. First, the killings project power and prestige, burnishing the Islamic State?s image and attracting those who want to feel potent themselves.

Second, the attacks will escalate tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims. They have already led to some anti-Muslim activity and will probably provoke more. Not only will these events make Muslims in the West feel marginalized, but they will also provide extremist propagandists with examples of Western oppression.

?For people who are already sympathetic to ISIS, who already feel humiliated and discriminated against ? this could be the straw that breaks the camel?s back,? Kruglanski says.

In the coming months, Western countries will be forced to address the Islamic State's military presence in the Middle East. But the Paris attacks will also pose a problem at home, challenging governments to maintain a sense of community after a tragedy engineered to sow discord.

?As a society if we are to move forward, we will have to stay united,? B?langer says. ?If we become more self-centered, if we exclude and alienate minorities, we play right into their hands.?

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I didn?t think I needed to post a list of murdered gay people for you to know that gay people are murdered due to hatred.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_ ... ople_in_the_United_States

It is not an exclusive list to Christians, but there are enough in it that you can see the consistency.

And in how many primarily Christian countries is the state executing gay people?

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PEW data on what? Your sentence is vague and should include a link to the information you are claiming.

It was already posted in this thread.

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04 ... s-society-full-report.pdf

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It doesn?t matter how many they killed. They weren?t part of a larger movement. They were extremists that were operating without a larger directive.

Here?s the problem: Your argument seems to be that we shouldn?t take in refugees because they might create a coordinated bombing.

Here?s what happened in France: A Belgian citizen along with several French citizens coordinated an attack. Along the way, they recruited someone from Syria.

In the end, I?m unsure why you?re more worried about an attack that is harder to bring forth (a massive coordinated attack like the one in Paris) versus an easier terrorist action, such as the Boston Bombing.

Lol are you kidding? Not part of a larger movement? You never heard of the concept of "Global Jihad"? The ideology is the movement! My only point is that Islam is incompatible with western values of equality and religious freedom. There are some inherent risks with accepting migrants from countries where regressive beliefs are so widespread.

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Something to think about;
Wired: Turning Away Refugees Won?t Fight Terrorism. It Might Make It Worse

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Your second sentence has been proven false. Otherwise we wouldn't have people speaking about the murder of gays with three presidential contenders...

Nope. If the biggest problem with Christian extremism is rhetoric not actions you have failed to prove your point.

I didn?t think I needed to post a list of murdered gay people for you to know that gay people are murdered due to hatred.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_ ... ople_in_the_United_States

It is not an exclusive list to Christians, but there are enough in it that you can see the consistency.

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This is not actually proven true.

The question isn't whether radical Muslim views are held by Muslims in general. It is whether radical Muslim views are held by American Muslims.

Given the vast amounts of poverty throughout the Middle East and the type of anger, vitriol, hate and violence that such poverty creates (see gangs in America and recent shootings in JC), the concept that there are a lot of poor Muslims angry isn't far fetched. We know this is a problem with our own poor. However, we also see that this type of recruitment is significantly reduced.

Again you are wrong, check the PEW data. American Muslims don't exist in a vacuum.

PEW data on what? Your sentence is vague and should include a link to the information you are claiming.

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This is a false. The Boston bombers fall into the ?lone wolf? category as well. They were not part of a mission or coordinated attack. If anything, they can directly be compared with the brothers Benjamin and James Williams that I posted earlier. You have two people, influenced by bad elements and then acting upon it.

We have a lot of people of different stripes in Jersey City. Up close, we can see a variance of each of these here. Blanket claiming that Muslims are a problem is lazy and intellectually dishonest.

In reality, what does it really say about us when the governor of Texas uses ?because they can get guns easy? as a reason why he doesn?t want Syrian refugees? When statements like that are made, the issue isn?t Syrian refugees?

You never actually pointed out what was false. The Tsarnaev's only killed three people because they were lone wolf assailants. Those types of attacks aren't where the concern lies. What we need to be weary of is a coordinated attack carried out by multiple individuals. Those types of attacks have been carried out disproportionally by Islamic Terrorists. You are being dishonest with reality.

It doesn?t matter how many they killed. They weren?t part of a larger movement. They were extremists that were operating without a larger directive.

Here?s the problem: Your argument seems to be that we shouldn?t take in refugees because they might create a coordinated bombing.

Here?s what happened in France: A Belgian citizen along with several French citizens coordinated an attack. Along the way, they recruited someone from Syria.

In the end, I?m unsure why you?re more worried about an attack that is harder to bring forth (a massive coordinated attack like the one in Paris) versus an easier terrorist action, such as the Boston Bombing.

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U.S. Eyes Travel of 800 Potential 'Foreign Fighters'

As ISIS threatens to strike inside the U.S., airlines are keeping their schedules of flights from the U.S. to Paris and back, but U.S. authorities are intensively scrutinizing passenger lists on inbound flights.

Intelligence officials say that U.S. terror databases contain more than 2,700 names with connections to France, and NBC News has learned that 801 of them are considered potential "foreign fighters" who might try to join ISIS in Syria. Authorities are paying particular attention to their attempts to travel.

Five of the individuals on the potential foreign fighter list have traveled or tried to travel to or from France in the past three months.

Two of the five travelers flew from Paris to the U.S. in August and October, and a dual U.S./Pakistani citizen traveled from New York to Paris and back in October.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/pari ... -foreign-fighters-n465141

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Well, if the French intelligence and the US intelligence was doing what they supposed to be doing flagging and taking these terrorists, 9/11, Boston Bombing and Paris Attack etc. would have never happen.

Rather be cautious than negligence.

As the saying goes "When you see something, say something"

Better safe than sorry. How many victims of the Boston Marathan are now walking around with missing limbs? You're lucky it wasn't you.

You left out "A penny saved is a penny earned", "A stitch in time saves nine" and "The Lord loves a working man" in your clich? greatest hits parade.

Sure - I'm lucky it wasn't me. And I'm lucky I haven't been shot by a crazed American gunman, which is far, far more likely btw. Two significant things happened as a result of the commercialization of fear that arose out of the WTC attacks: the biggest jobs creation program in a generation (TSA and the boom in related security positions) and the brainwashing of the population to believe you are always just a minute away from death. If you see something - say something! That package might not be a package!

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1 Honor killing in America are mostly under reported b/c people in the community won't cooperate with authorities and then there's the whole PC aspect of claiming it was in fact an Honor killing.
2. lets see your facts about gays being murdered in America due to bigotry!

1. Facts.
2. I provided a link above to a specific case. If you?d like a larger group of examples, here.

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Well, if the French intelligence and the US intelligence was doing what they supposed to be doing flagging and taking these terrorists, 9/11, Boston Bombing and Paris Attack etc. would have never happen.

Rather be cautious than negligence.

As the saying goes "When you see something, say something"

Better safe than sorry. How many victims of the Boston Marathan are now walking around with missing limbs? You're lucky it wasn't you.

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Now reports that nothing was found! No bomb.. No arrests..

Just one lone chicken, running through the station screaming "der Himmel f?llt!" over and over...

Seriously - this is the same panicked, reactionary hyperbolic shit that ended up getting more than 100,000 innocent non-combatant Iraqis killed in the last decade.

Take a deep breath.

How do you find the strength to leave your apartment?

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Your second sentence has been proven false. Otherwise we wouldn't have people speaking about the murder of gays with three presidential contenders...

Nope. If the biggest problem with Christian extremism is rhetoric not actions you have failed to prove your point.

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This is not actually proven true.

The question isn't whether radical Muslim views are held by Muslims in general. It is whether radical Muslim views are held by American Muslims.

Given the vast amounts of poverty throughout the Middle East and the type of anger, vitriol, hate and violence that such poverty creates (see gangs in America and recent shootings in JC), the concept that there are a lot of poor Muslims angry isn't far fetched. We know this is a problem with our own poor. However, we also see that this type of recruitment is significantly reduced.

Again you are wrong, check the PEW data. American Muslims don't exist in a vacuum.

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This is a false. The Boston bombers fall into the ?lone wolf? category as well. They were not part of a mission or coordinated attack. If anything, they can directly be compared with the brothers Benjamin and James Williams that I posted earlier. You have two people, influenced by bad elements and then acting upon it.

We have a lot of people of different stripes in Jersey City. Up close, we can see a variance of each of these here. Blanket claiming that Muslims are a problem is lazy and intellectually dishonest.

In reality, what does it really say about us when the governor of Texas uses ?because they can get guns easy? as a reason why he doesn?t want Syrian refugees? When statements like that are made, the issue isn?t Syrian refugees?

You never actually pointed out what was false. The Tsarnaev's only killed three people because they were lone wolf assailants. Those types of attacks aren't where the concern lies. What we need to be weary of is a coordinated attack carried out by multiple individuals. Those types of attacks have been carried out disproportionally by Islamic Terrorists. You are being dishonest with reality.

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Well, if the French intelligence and the US intelligence was doing what they supposed to be doing flagging and taking these terrorists, 9/11, Boston Bombing and Paris Attack etc. would have never happen.

Rather be cautious than negligence.

As the saying goes "When you see something, say something"

Better safe than sorry. How many victims of the Boston Marathan are now walking around with missing limbs? You're lucky it wasn't you.

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Now reports that nothing was found! No bomb.. No arrests..

Just one lone chicken, running through the station screaming "der Himmel f?llt!" over and over...

Seriously - this is the same panicked, reactionary hyperbolic shit that ended up getting more than 100,000 innocent non-combatant Iraqis killed in the last decade.

Take a deep breath.

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Now reports that nothing was found! No bomb.. No arrests..

Just one lone chicken, running through the station screaming "der Himmel f?llt!" over and over...

Seriously - this is the same panicked, reactionary hyperbolic shit that ended up getting more than 100,000 innocent non-combatant Iraqis killed in the last decade.

Take a deep breath.

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It's obvious that a literal interpretation of the koran is incompatible with western society.

True. Just like the old testament and much of the new testament.

Do modern Christians stone people? Honor Killings are still a thing in Islam.

Kevin Swanson held a rally in order to advocate for the murder of gay people. Sadly, three people running for president attended this event.

Honor killings aren't occurring in America at nearly the same rate as gay people are getting murdered due to bigotry...

1 Honor killing in America are mostly under reported b/c people in the community won't cooperate with authorities and then there's the whole PC aspect of claiming it was in fact an Honor killing.
2. lets see your facts about gays being murdered in America due to bigotry!

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I addressed all of this above.

The fact is when serious presidential contenders can stand on stage and hug a man that screams about how gays must be murdered because the Bible says so, there needs to be some serious looking glass perspective. Every presidential contender should denounce a man that screams for the murder of Americans, yet we don?t even have that. How do you expect every Muslim leader to fall in lockstep?

We have preachers and right wing organisations in the US that denounce gays, blacks and south americans everyday ... any suggestions on how we address them ?

If you are a Republican presidential candidate, you hug them because there are enough people in this country that think that this is an acceptable thought process.

It's impossible to get universal agreement on everything. Sadly, that includes arguing for the murder of people for religious reasons.

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Let's not forget it was ISIS who brought down a Russian Plane few weeks ago. Maybe some posters here should be on a plane when ISIS successfully bombs it. Maybe then, just then what some of us are trying to explain will finally sink in. Sorry not sorry. Just kidding. Not!

Let's not forget it was refugee brothers who bombed the Boston Marathon seriously injured many as well , deaths.

Let's not forget there are many muslims in America that went to Syria or tried to join ISIS/al qada.

Let's not forget it was muslim terrorists who caused 9/11 and 1993 WTC Bombing.

Let's not forget it was muslims of French nationalist and Belgium citizens who did the Paris Attack.

How much longer can we just turn the other cheek ?

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I addressed all of this above.

The fact is when serious presidential contenders can stand on stage and hug a man that screams about how gays must be murdered because the Bible says so, there needs to be some serious looking glass perspective. Every presidential contender should denounce a man that screams for the murder of Americans, yet we don?t even have that. How do you expect every Muslim leader to fall in lockstep?

We have preachers and right wing organisations in the US that denounce gays, blacks and south americans everyday ... any suggestions on how we address them ?

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No. Xenophobia is when a user on jclist doesn't like ethnic garb of Indian grandmas in Newport. This here is terrorphobia, a healthy survival instinct given predicted difficulties in screening out terrorists among, no doubt, deserving Syrian refugees:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fe ... ning-refugees-from-syria/

And it is not cowardice, as Pebble claims.

"But one of the senior administration officials at Tuesday?s briefing acknowledged the limitations inherent in screening refugees from Syria, where it?s very difficult to determine something as basic as an applicant?s criminal history.

?We do the best with what we have,? the official said. ?We talk to people about what their criminal histories are, and we hear about that. That?s pretty much where we are.?"

Of course this is cowardice.

There are serious people in need of help. Fear (not fact) has you afraid of letting them in because there is the possibility (not certainty) that a couple could be bad eggs.

This is the very definition of the word coward.

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ill De Blasio: Chris Christie's Comments On Syrian Refugees Are An 'Embarrassment To This Country'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/b ... 00000016§ion=politics

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huh? you're derailing the point of the discussion by bringing up other societal issues that are not relevant. What are you attempting to say?
I?m saying there is a double standard. Muslims have been denouncing these issues continually. I posted two articles and you posted one. That?s from multiple parts of the world. Muslims denounced 9/11.

The reality is, there are always going to be nuts and extremists. Claiming that most Muslims aren?t denouncing the crime is based on pure perception bias. You?re simply choosing to not believe it.

By contrary, there are some specific instances of police shootings in which unarmed black youths died. Shootings that are unquestionably bad. By the standard you are presenting here, every single police officer should be standing up and saying that those shootings were bad. Since it hasn?t happened, the police have not done enough and, by your own logic, they must be endorsing these types of shootings.

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That Muslim leaders and Muslims are vocal enough in denouncing the hijacking of their religion by extremists? It won't be enough until there is clear pendulum swing in the other direction. Silence is not enough. Highlighting a few, limited instances is not enough. Again, the problem is a problem within Islam and needs to be addressed within Islam or it will not be solved.

If you can't understand that, then you are truly delusional and naive.

I addressed all of this above.

The fact is when serious presidential contenders can stand on stage and hug a man that screams about how gays must be murdered because the Bible says so, there needs to be some serious looking glass perspective. Every presidential contender should denounce a man that screams for the murder of Americans, yet we don?t even have that. How do you expect every Muslim leader to fall in lockstep?

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This is all a false equivalency. Christian extremism is not a problem in modern western society.

Your second sentence has been proven false. Otherwise we wouldn't have people speaking about the murder of gays with three presidential contenders...

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These radical positions are rejected by most Christians but embraced by a sizable percentage of Muslims.

This is not actually proven true.

The question isn't whether radical Muslim views are held by Muslims in general. It is whether radical Muslim views are held by American Muslims.

Given the vast amounts of poverty throughout the Middle East and the type of anger, vitriol, hate and violence that such poverty creates (see gangs in America and recent shootings in JC), the concept that there are a lot of poor Muslims angry isn't far fetched. We know this is a problem with our own poor. However, we also see that this type of recruitment is significantly reduced.

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Lone wolf attackers like Holmes that you cited do not pose the same danger as a group of coordinated ideologically motivated assassins. We've seen the worst case of what an individual can carry with Anders Breivik and of course that was horrible but Islamic Terrorists are capable of and have repeatedly carried out attacks on a much wider scale. An attack much greater than 9/11 is certainly a possibility.

This is a false. The Boston bombers fall into the ?lone wolf? category as well. They were not part of a mission or coordinated attack. If anything, they can directly be compared with the brothers Benjamin and James Williams that I posted earlier. You have two people, influenced by bad elements and then acting upon it.

We have a lot of people of different stripes in Jersey City. Up close, we can see a variance of each of these here. Blanket claiming that Muslims are a problem is lazy and intellectually dishonest.

In reality, what does it really say about us when the governor of Texas uses ?because they can get guns easy? as a reason why he doesn?t want Syrian refugees? When statements like that are made, the issue isn?t Syrian refugees?

Posted on: 2015/11/17 21:20

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xenophobia

Did you actually read the article you posted? Most comments were sensible and agreed with Christie.

As I've said, most Americans have common sense and feel the same. We are not swayed by childish name calling. Further, the dangerous naivety of "progressive" ideology is on full display for all to see.

Safety comes above political correctness, simple as that.

And there it is... xenophobia

No. Xenophobia is when a user on jclist doesn't like ethnic garb of Indian grandmas in Newport. This here is terrorphobia, a healthy survival instinct given predicted difficulties in screening out terrorists among, no doubt, deserving Syrian refugees:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fe ... ning-refugees-from-syria/

And it is not cowardice, as Pebble claims.

"But one of the senior administration officials at Tuesday?s briefing acknowledged the limitations inherent in screening refugees from Syria, where it?s very difficult to determine something as basic as an applicant?s criminal history.

?We do the best with what we have,? the official said. ?We talk to people about what their criminal histories are, and we hear about that. That?s pretty much where we are.?"

Posted on: 2015/11/17 21:12

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xenophobia

Did you actually read the article you posted? Most comments were sensible and agreed with Christie.

As I've said, most Americans have common sense and feel the same. We are not swayed by childish name calling. Further, the dangerous naivety of "progressive" ideology is on full display for all to see.

Safety comes above political correctness, simple as that.

And there it is... xenophobia

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I take it from your comment you recognize we have no way of providing employment or living arrangements for these "refugees," beyond the first few months.

With that premise established, there is another obvious premise and that is at least a portion of these refugees will not be able to make it on their own.

I'm not sure what from my comment leads you to think that. Refugees fall under TANF, meaning that there are sanctions on their benefits that are determined at the state, and sometimes county level. These sanctions vary, but are typically related to meeting work requirements and involve a revocation of 25% to the entire value of benefits for the sanction period.

When comparing employment levels of employment eligible TANF-receiving refugees to that of the employment eligible TANF general pool, the refugee group generally compares favorably.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/ ... 14_placement_briefing.pdf

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/ofa/wpr2012table01a.pdf

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With this in mind, it would seem blindingly obvious that the very last group of people you want to let in are those which have shown a historical tendency to become radicalized and commit terrorist massacres when they feel marginalized, or are not getting ahead.

Forget about the fact that it is next to impossible to screen out legitimate refugees from ISIS terrorists posing as refugees. And that ISIS had already announced they are sending terrorists to do this exact thing. I'm saying that IN ADDITION to this, legitimate Muslim refugees will become radicalized over time and commit terrorist acts.

Statistics suggest we're doing ok so far.

"Refugee resettlement is the least likely route for potential terrorists, says Kathleen Newland at the Migration Policy Institute, a think-tank. Of the 745,000 refugees resettled since September 11th, only two Iraqis in Kentucky have been arrested on terrorist charges, for aiding al-Qaeda in Iraq."

http://www.economist.com/news/united- ... d%2Fyearningtobreathefree

As mentioned, this arrest was related to procuring guns to send to IRAQ, not a planned domestic attack.

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Just as the Boston Bombers were Muslim refugees who lived a comfortable life yet still did what they did.

Refugees at the ages of 8 and 16. Their horrific acts occurred 12 years later.

I don't see how you can logically attribute this to a failing of the Refugee Resettlement program, one which has provided a better quality of life for over 3 million people since its formation.

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Importing these refugees is importing terrorism. And I will repeat the obvious:

Once the inevitable happens and some refugees commit terrorist massacres, "Progressives" will say the following: First, they will act shocked, as if such a thing was unfathomable to them. Then, they will blame us/society for not doing enough to take care of them. They will also say that so many refugees are here now so it is immoral and impractical to deport them.

Their ideology is naive, twisted, and dangerous. And I think the majority of Americans will strongly reject it.

This is simply rhetoric and doesn't qualify a rebuttal.

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xenophobia

Did you actually read the article you posted? Most comments were sensible and agreed with Christie.

As I've said, most Americans have common sense and feel the same. We are not swayed by childish name calling. Further, the dangerous naivety of "progressive" ideology is on full display for all to see.

Safety comes above political correctness, simple as that.

Posted on: 2015/11/17 21:02

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Reza Aslan beats down bigot newscasters: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/11/ ... is-attacks_n_8578648.html

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Germany just evacuated the stadium in Hanover.

They evacuated the teams. They evacuated the people.

They're saying they have credible info of several explosions all over the stadium.

These ISIS muslims living in Germany are on a warpath

THE SKY IS FALLING !!!

In other news, Martian walkers have been seen at the Bayonne Bridge.

Posted on: 2015/11/17 20:57

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2nd Stadium in Germany just got evacuated.

There was to be a concert going on tonite.

The Latest: 2nd stadium in Germany city is evacuated

PARIS (AP) ? The latest on the deadly attacks in Paris. (All times local):

9:10 p.m.

A second stadium in the northern German city of Hannover has been evacuated.

Concert-goers had been waiting for the band ?Soehne Mannheims? to play.

Hannover?s chief of police says authorities received a warning about a possible bomb threat shortly before the start of a soccer friendly match between Germany and the Netherlands in the main Hannover stadium. The stadium was evacuated and the game was canceled.

http://wkrn.com/2015/11/17/germany-ne ... me-in-hannover-cancelled/

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