When the U.S. and its allies bomb weddings and hospitals in Yemen and Afghanistan, killing hundreds of civilians, ?Americans? doesn?t trend globally on Twitter. Yet when Parisians are allegedly killed by Islamic extremists, ?Muslims? does.

The imperialist West always try to dislocate the blame. It?s always the foreigner?s, the non-Westerner?s, the Other?s fault; it?s never the fault of the enlightened West.

Islam is the new scapegoat. Western imperial policies of ravaging entire nations, propping up repressive dictators, and supporting extremist groups are conveniently forgotten.

The West is incapable of addressing its own imperial violence. Instead, it points its blood-stained finger accusingly at the world?s 1.6 billion Muslims and tells them they are the inherently violent ones.


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11/15/15 4:30pm: (CNN )French fighter jets bombed a series of ISIS sites in Raqqa, Syria, on Sunday in what officials described as a major bombardment.

The targets included a command center, a recruitment center, an ammunition storage base and a training camp for the terror group, said Mickael Soria, press adviser for France's defense minister.

ISIS claims Raqqa as the capital of its so-called caliphate. The airstrikes come two days after a series of terrorist attacks in Paris on Friday. ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attacks, which France's President described as "an act of war."

Twelve aircraft, including 10 fighter jets, were involved in Sunday's airstrikes, Soria said.

Twenty bombs were dropped, he said, and all of the targets were destroyed.

Foreign will use the oppressed natives of the county they are "attacking" an easy employee to implement their deed. remember the box cutter incident on the plane ?

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Exactly. "Progressives" try to change the definitions of words to further their agenda.

And User isn't even doing it right. Most of these gang bangers and drug dealers are black. Good luck finding "progressive" rags that would call them terrorists.

Also, even accounting for the occasional non-Muslim terrorist (like Timothy McVeigh), it is blindingly obvious that Islamic/Muslim terrorism far eclipses any of the outliers.

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Your talking about local 'terrorists', that have only been called 'terrorists' when we changed the name / meaning to include groups you mentioned

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Bullshit, the kkk, the mob, JC gang bangers, and drug dealers are not Muslims but they have been terrorizing citizens for the last 100 years.

Remember not all muslims are terrorists ... however most terrorists are muslim!

Can you explain why the pope is wrong on this matter? He is probably privilege to more documents as a leader of a city state called Vatican City than the average person.

Quote:well, we know papa is infallible.

I agree with the pope. He said yesterday this is a piecemeal world war 3.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new ... -of-piecemeal-wiii-39647/

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If you have a pre-arranged marriage, its not necessary (regardless of your faith)..

WOW I guess no one dates/socializes anymore on a Saturday night. Sad.

interesting that those advocating sharia law don't move to iran or saaudi arabia

Sure, we can take your word for it, or we can listen to the Newsweek France correspondent who literally spends all of her time there.

Oh yeah, there are plenty of other polls showing the dangerous beliefs of Muslims in Europe. You act as if that is the only one.

40% of British Muslims want sharia law in the UK. And 20% of them "sympathized" with Muslim suicide bombers who killed 50 people in the UK long before ISIS was a thing.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknew ... ant-sharia-law-in-UK.html

And you can try taking your own advice and actually reading the Pew report, which you clearly never read. Start by going to the pages I discussed.

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Hardly baseless. The poll was commissioned by Putin-controlled Rossiya Segodnya - who are no stranger to falsifying statistics. And the percentages don't add up. More people in France were pro-ISIS, than Muslims in France.

Nice excuse for Putin to weigh in on the side of Syria.

Shitty poll.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rossiya_Segodnya
"40% of children brought up by homosexuals have venereal diseases".[3]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wo ... ly-support-islamic-state/

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Nope, try again. Again, your baseless speculation reflects a lack of understanding of hundreds of millions of Muslims' hateful, backwards, and dangerous beliefs, as shown by Pew.

Here's what Newsweek had to say about what you claim to be a "shitty poll," showing that millions of French Muslims support ISIS.

Newsweek?s France Correspondent, Anne-Elizabeth Moutet, was unsurprised by the news. ?This is the ideology of young French Muslims from immigrant backgrounds,? she said, ?unemployed to the tune of 40%, who?ve been deluged by satellite TV and internet propaganda.? She pointed to a correlation between support for ISIS and rising anti-Semitism in France, adding that ?these are the same people who torch synagogues?.

France is home to an estimated 5 million Muslims, largely of North African descent, who arrived from the 1950s onwards in the wake of France?s decolonisation and the 1970s 'regroupement familiale' policy, which welcomed the families of migrant workers from ex-colonies.

http://www.newsweek.com/16-french-cit ... rt-isis-poll-finds-266795

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And perhaps if you delved a little deeper into the main poll you linked - you'd see it was sponsored by a Russian newspaper, taken at the height of the Ukraine conflict, and when France's involvement with attacking ISIS was being hotly debated internally. If you'd conducted a similar poll in the US on, say the Taliban, just before Obama was elected - you'd find a similar result nationwide - purely as a protest to our involvement. Shitty polls give shitty results.

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Yes, that is one of many backwards Muslim beliefs. Now try following your advice, actually reading the Pew report, and read the other backwards beliefs I linked. Because it gets a LOT worse than that.

Then you might gain some understanding as to why so many Muslims in Europe felt confortable admitting they support ISIS's policies.

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Fundamentalist Christians and a lot of Catholics in the US still believe that "Love, Honor and Obey" means exactly that. Arranged marriages are common with Hindus, Jews, Japanese and Amish to name a few.

And as for wearing a veil - that sounds like personal choice according to the Pew quote.

sadly, i think that more people who would care to admit it believe that a woman should obey a man or that the man is the final decision maker....nobody wants a wet noodle

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No, the Pew report shows that hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world agree with the posted views. While it's true that more Muslims in backwards countries hold these beliefs than in more developed ones, there still are sizable percentages holding these views in the more developed countries.

And these sizable percentages amount to many millions of people.

And don't forget the following, sweeping backwards view embraced by majorities of Muslim surveyed in nearly EVERY country. A direct quote from the Pew report:

"Page 91 - In nearly all countries surveyed, a majority of Muslims say that a wife should always obey her husband. At the same time, there also is general agreement - at least outside sub-Saharan Africa ? that a woman should have the right to decide for herself whether to wear a veil in public."

The same is most certainly not true for every religion.

And the widespread support for many of the posted backward beliefs explains why opinion polls show that many Muslims in Europe support ISIS. Again, most certainly not true for every religion.

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I won't dissect every quote, but you miss the obvious. There is a wide variation of views. The more democratic and developed the country, the less dogmatic the view. And the same could be said of any religion.

Asif, the Pew reports are being read properly and they are right there for all to see. Just go to the pages I discussed and see for yourself.

Oh, that's right, you don't want to "waste" your time with the facts.

Islam is fundamentally incompatible with Western civilization, and the reported beliefs of hundreds of millions of Muslims around the planet prove it.

They also explain why different polls keep finding that many Muslims in Europe support ISIS.

I am not sure if ur actually reading the pew reports properly but i am not going to waste my time going back an forth with you, point by point.

For example at the actual Pew Site....a whopping 77 percent of Pakistanis felt suicide bombings were never justified. 3 percent said rarely justified. With 4 percent saying often. And the rest always justified.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/05/10/pa ... litics-as-election-nears/


Where as you just believe terrorism is the realm of all muslims and their faith.......i happen to believe there are many nuanced factors that leads to the rise of terror....and their causes and roots are both found in the west and east.....you can't say its "us vs them".

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Good idea dtjcview, thanks for posting this.

Take a look the following pages to see just how backwards hundreds of millions of "moderate" Muslims are. Remember, the percentages expressed add up to hundreds of millions of actual people.

Page 46 - Majorities worldwide say Sharia Law should be the law of the land.

Page 48 - Slight minorities but still hundreds of millions of Muslims say Sharia Law should apply to all citizens.

Page 54 - Stoning should be the punishment for adultery.

Page 55 - Death penalty for leaving Islam.

Page 58 - It is bad that their countries' laws do not more closely follow Sharia Law.

Page 76 - Drinking alcohol is morally wrong.

Page 81 - Homosexual behavior is wrong and immoral.

Page 86 - Family planning is morally wrong.

Page 89 - Honor killings are permissible.

Page 91 - "In nearly all countries surveyed, a majority of Muslims say that a wife should always obey her husband. At the same time, there also is general agreement - at least outside sub-Saharan Africa ? that a woman should have the right to decide for herself whether to wear a veil in public."

Page 93 - A wife must always obey her husband.

Page 94 - Many Muslims say a wife should not have the right to divorce her husband.

Page 124 - The vast majority of Muslims worldwide would not be comfortable with their son or daughter marrying a Christian.

Islam is utterly incompatible with Western civilization. The above proves it, representing the beliefs of ALL Muslims, not merely some extremists.

And now you see why so many Muslims in Europe support ISIS, as the previous polls indicated.

The tabloids cherry-pick statistics to make a case. Read the full Pew reports.

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04 ... s-society-full-report.pdf

http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/3 ... or-support-for-extremism/


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Hey Asif, nice job dodging the other facts presented in the Muslim worldwide opinion poll.

Such as that hundreds of millions of "moderate" Muslims worldwide believe in the death penalty for converting away from Islam, that women are the property of their husbands, and that gays should be executed.

Although, I will give Muslims credit for inventing time travel. Visit any Muslim theocracy and you'll instantly be transported back to the 7th century!

Isis took responsibilities. What don't you understand? John Kerry is a fool.

While most of the trolls, bigots and right wing reactionaries won't bother. This article from Salon does a good job of presenting the hypocrisy that the West presents when it deals with terrorism.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/our_t ... a_hard_look_at_ourselves/


Any time there is an attack on civilians in the post-9/11 West, demagogues immediately blame it on Muslims. They frequently lack evidence, but depend on the blunt force of anti-Muslim bigotry to bolster their accusations.

Actual evidence, on the other hand, shows that less than two percent of terrorist attacks from 2009 to 2013 in the E.U. were religiously motivated. In 2013, just one percent of the 152 terrorist attacks were religious in nature; in 2012, less than three percent of the 219 terrorist attacks were inspired by religion.

The vast majority of terrorist attacks in these years were motivated by ethno-nationalism or separatism. In 2013, 55 percent of terrorist attacks were ethno-nationalist or separatist in nature; in 2012, more than three-quarters (76 percent) of terrorist attacks were inspired by ethno-nationalism or separatism.

These facts, nonetheless, have never stopped the prejudiced pundits from insisting otherwise.

On Friday the 13th of November, militants massacred at least 127 people in Paris in a series of heinous attacks.

There are many layers of hypocrisy in the public reaction to the tragedy that must be sorted through in order to understand the larger context in which these horrific attacks are situated ? and, ultimately, to prevent such attacks from happening in the future.
Right-wing exploitation

As soon as the news of the attacks broke, even though there was no evidence and practically nothing was known about the attackers, a Who?s Who of right-wing pundits immediately latched on to the violence as an opportunity to demonize Muslims and refugees from Muslim-majority countries.

In a disgrace to the victims, a shout chorus of reactionary demagogues exploited the horrific attacks to distract from and even deny domestic problems. They flatly told Black Lives Matter activists fighting for basic civil and human rights, fast-food workers seeking liveable wages and union rights, and students challenging crippling debts that their problems are insignificant because they are not being held hostage at gunpoint.

More insidiously, when evidence began to suggest that extremists were responsible for the attacks, and when ISIS eventually claimed responsibility, the demagogues implied or even downright insisted that Islam ? the religion of 1.6 billion people ? was to blame, and that the predominately (although not entirely) Muslim refugees entering the West are only going to carry out more of such attacks.
Clampdown on Muslims and refugees

Every time Islamic extremists carry out an attack, the world?s 1.6 billion Muslims are expected to collectively apologize; it has become a cold clich? at this point.

Who benefits from such clampdown on Muslims and refugees?

Two primary groups: One, Islamic extremist groups themselves, who use the clampdown as ?evidence? that there is supposedly no room for Muslims in the secular West that has declared war on Islam; and two, Europe?s growing far-right, who will use the attacks as ?evidence? that there is supposedly no room for Muslims in the secular West that should declare war on Islam.

Although enemies, both groups share a congruence of interests. The far-right wants Muslims and refugees from Muslim-majority countries (even if they are not Muslim) to leave because it sees them as innately violent terrorists. Islamic extremists want Muslim refugees to leave so they can be radicalized and join their caliphate.

More specifically, to name names, ISIS and al-Qaeda will benefit from the clampdown on Muslims and refugees, and Europe?s growing far-right movement will continue to recruit new members with anti-Muslim and anti-refugee propaganda.

ISIS has explicitly stated that its goal is to make extinct what it calls the ?grayzone? ? that is to say, Western acceptance of Muslims. The ?endangerment? of the grayzone ?began with the blessed operations of September 11th, as those operations manifested two camps before the world for mankind to choose between, a camp of Islam ? and a camp of kufr ? the crusader coalition,? wrote ISIS in its own publication.
An excerpt from ISIS' own publication (Credit: Iyad El-Baghdadi)

An excerpt from ISIS? own publication (Credit: Iyad El-Baghdadi)

Demonstrating how right-wing and Islamic extremist logic intersect, ISIS actually favorably cited the black-and-white worldview shared ironically by both former President George W. Bush and his intractable foe, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. ISIS wrote: ?As Shaykh Usamah Ibn Ladin said, ?The world today is divided into two camps. Bush spoke the truth when he said, ?Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.? Meaning, either you are with the crusade or you are with Islam.'?

By making ISIS go viral, we are only helping them accomplish their sadistic goals.

In the meantime, France?s extreme right-wing National Front party stands to gain in particular. The party ? which was founded by a neo-Nazi and is now led by his estranged daughter Marine Le Pen ? constantly rails against Muslims, whom it hypocritically characterizes as Nazi occupiers. In 2014, a Paris court ruled it was fair to call the National Front ?fascist.?

Before the Paris attacks, Le Pen?s extreme-right movement was France?s second-largest party. Now it may become the first.
The massacres that are ignored

There are hundreds of terrorist attacks in Europe every year. The ones that immediately fill the headlines of every news outlet, however, are the ones carried out by Muslims ? not the ones carried out by ethno-nationalists or far-right extremists, which happen to be much more frequent.

Yet it is not just right-wing pundits and the media that give much more attention to attacks like those in Paris; heads of state frequently do so as well. Minutes after the Paris attacks, Presidents Hollande and Obama addressed the world, publicly lamenting the tragedy. Secretary John Kerry condemned them as ?heinous, evil, vile acts.?

Notable was the official silence surrounding another horrific terrorist attack that took place only the day before. Two ISIS suicide bombers killed at least 43 people and wounded more than 230 in attacks on a heavily Shia Muslim community in Beirut on November 12. President Obama did not address the world and condemn the bombings, which comprised the worst attack in Beirut in years.

In fact, the opposite happened; the victims of the ISIS attacks were characterized in the U.S. media as Hezbollah human shields and blamed for their own deaths based on the unfortunate coincidence of their geographical location. Some right-wing pundits even went so far as to justify the ISIS attacks because they were assumed to be aimed at Hezbollah.

Nor did the White House interrupt every news broadcast to publicly condemn the ISIS massacre in Turkey in October that left approximately 128 people dead and 500 injured at a peaceful rally for a pro-Kurdish political party.

More strikingly, where were the heads of state when the Western-backed, Saudi-led coalition bombed a Yemeni wedding on September 28, killing 131 civilians, including 80 women? That massacre didn?t go viral, and Obama and Hollande did not apologize, yet alone barely even acknowledge the tragedy.

Do French lives matter more than Lebanese, Turkish, Kurdish, and Yemeni ones? Were these not, too, ?heinous, evil, vile acts??
Oddly familiar

We have seen this all before; it should be oddly familiar. The reaction to the horrific January 2015 Paris attacks was equally predictable; the knee-jerk Islamophobia ignored the crucial context for the tragic attack ? namely the fact that it was was the catastrophic U.S.-led war on Iraq and torture at Abu Ghraib, not Charlie Hebdo cartoons, that radicalized the shooters. Also ignored was the fact that the extremist attackers were sons of ?migr?s from Algeria, a country that for decades bled profusely under barbarous French colonialism, which only ended after an even bloodier war of independence in 1962 that left hundreds of thousands of Algerians dead.

After the January Paris attacks, leaders from around the world ? including officials from Western-backed extremist theocratic tyrannies like Saudi Arabia ? gathered in Paris to supposedly participate in a march that turned out to actually be a carefully orchestrated and cynical photo op.

And not only are Muslims collectively blamed for such attacks; they, too, collectively bear the brunt of the backlash.

In just six days after the January attacks, the National Observatory Against Islamophobia documented 60 incidents of Islamophobic attacks and threats in France. TellMAMA, a U.K.-based organization that monitors racist anti-Muslim attacks, also reported 50-60 threats.

Once again, mere days before the January Paris attacks, the global community largely glossed over another horrific tragedy: The slaughter of more than 2,000 Nigerians by Boko Haram. The African victims didn?t get a march; only the Western victims of Islamic extremism did.
Western culpability

A little-discussed yet crucial fact is that the vast, vast majority of the victims of Islamic extremism are themselves Muslim, and live in Muslim-majority countries. A 2012 U.S. National Counterterrorism Center report found that between 82 and 97 percent of the victims of religiously motivated terrorist attacks over the previous five years were Muslims.

The West frequently acts as though it is the principal victim, but the exact contrary is true.

Never interrogated is why exactly are so many refugees fleeing the Middle East and North Africa. It is not like millions of people want to leave their homes and families; they are fleeing violence and chaos ? violence and chaos that happens to almost always be the result of Western military intervention.

Western countries, particularly the U.S., are directly responsible for the violence and destruction in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Yemen, from which millions of refugees are fleeing:

The illegal U.S.-led invasion of Iraq led to the deaths of at least one million people, destabilized the entire region, and created extreme conditions in which militant groups like al-Qaeda spread like wildfire, eventually leading to the emergence of ISIS.
In Afghanistan, the ongoing U.S.-led war and occupation ? which the Obama administration just prolonged for a second time ? has led to approximately a quarter of a million deaths and has displaced millions of Afghans.
The disastrous U.S.-led NATO intervention in Libya destroyed the government, turning the country into a hotbed for extremism and allowing militant groups like ISIS to spread west into North Africa. Thousands of Libyans have been killed, and hundreds of thousands made refugees.
In Yemen, the U.S. and other Western nations are arming and backing the Saudi-led coalition that is raining down bombs, including banned cluster munitions, on civilian areas, pulverizing the poorest country in the Middle East. And, once again ? the story should now be familiar ? thousands have been killed and hundreds of thousands have been displaced.

Syria is a bit more complicated. Many refugees in the country, which has been torn apart by almost five years of bitter war, are fleeing the brutal repression of the Assad government. Western countries and their allies, however, share some of the blame. Allies such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey have greatly inflamed the conflict by supporting extremist groups like al-Qaeda affiliate al-Nusra.

And it should go without saying that millions of Syrian refugees are fleeing the very same terror at the hands of ISIS that the group allegedly unleashed upon Paris. By suppressing Syrian and Iraqi refugees fleeing the ruthlessly violent extremist group, France and other Western countries will only be further adding to the already shocking number of its victims.
Dislocating the blame

When the U.S. and its allies bomb weddings and hospitals in Yemen and Afghanistan, killing hundreds of civilians, ?Americans? doesn?t trend globally on Twitter. Yet when Parisians are allegedly killed by Islamic extremists, ?Muslims? does.

The imperialist West always try to dislocate the blame. It?s always the foreigner?s, the non-Westerner?s, the Other?s fault; it?s never the fault of the enlightened West.

Islam is the new scapegoat. Western imperial policies of ravaging entire nations, propping up repressive dictators, and supporting extremist groups are conveniently forgotten.

The West is incapable of addressing its own imperial violence. Instead, it points its blood-stained finger accusingly at the world?s 1.6 billion Muslims and tells them they are the inherently violent ones.

Unfortunately, tragedies like the one we see in Paris are daily events in much of the Middle East, no thanks to the policies of the governments of France, the U.S., the U.K., and more. The horrific and unjustifiable yet rare terrorist attacks we in the West experience are the quotidian reality endured by those living in the region our governments brutalize.

This does not mean we should not mourn the Paris attacks; they are abominable, and the victims should and must be mourned. But we should likewise ensure that the victims of our governments? crimes are mourned as well.

If we truly believe that all lives are equally valuable, if we truly believe that French lives matter no more than any others, we must mourn all deaths equally.
The dangers of habit

We know the responses to attacks like these. Great danger lies in them continuing on the same way.

Governments are going to call for more Western military intervention in the Middle East, more bombs, and more guns. Hard-line right-wing Senator Ted Cruz immediately demanded airstrikes with more ?tolerance for civilian casualties.? Naturally, the proposed ?solution? to individual acts of terror is to ramp up campaigns of state terror.

At home, they will call for more fences, more police, and more surveillance. Immediately after the Paris attacks, France closed its borders. In the U.S., as soon as the attacks were reported, the NYPD began militarizing parts of New York City.

The hegemonic ?solution? is always more militarization, both abroad and here at home. Yet it is in fact militarization that is the cause of the problem in the first place.

At the time of the atrocious 9/11 attacks, al-Qaeda was a relatively small and isolated group. It was the U.S.-led war in and occupation of Iraq that created the conditions of extreme violence, desperation, and sectarianism in which al-Qaeda metastasized, spreading worldwide. The West, in its addiction to militarism, played into the hands of the extremists, and today we see the rotten fruit borne of that rotten addiction: ISIS is the Frankenstein?s monster of Western imperialism.

Moreover, Western countries? propping up of their oil-rich allies in the Gulf, extremist theocratic monarchies like Saudi Arabia, is a principal factor in the spread of Sunni extremism. The Obama administration did more than $100 billion of arms deals with the Saudi monarchy in the past five years, and France has increasingly signed enormous military contracts with theocratic autocracies like Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Qatar.

If these are the strategies our governments continue to pursue, attacks like those in Paris will only be more frequent.

The far-right will continue to grow. Neo-fascism, the most dangerous development in the world today, will gain traction. People will radicalize.

The incidence of attacks inspired by ethno-nationalism or far-right extremism, already the leading cause of European and American terror, will increase even further.

The pundits will boost anti-Muslim bigotry and feed the anti-refugee fervor. In doing so, they will only make matters worse.

The Paris attacks, as horrific as they are, could be a moment to think critically about what our governments are doing both abroad and here at home. If we do not think critically, if we act capriciously, and violently, the wounds will only continue to fester. The bloodletting will ultimately accelerate.

In short, those who promote militarist policies and anti-Muslim and anti-refugee bigotries in response to the Paris attacks are only going to further propagate violence and hatred.

If the political cycle is not changed, the cycle of violence will continue.