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No mystery that I agree with everything you've written. I continue to worry, though, because to this day the new developments still seem to favor these vented parking garages as the base of the building. Even the mid-sized to smaller buildings, such as Warren@York. The York Street side of that building is just awful looking and isolating to the sidewalk streetscape.
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U can suck on my meat and then learn to read dumb ass.
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We provide services because they are good for the public. A fire department is good for everyone. A police department is good for everyone. A park is good for everyone. But parking spaces? It's an outdated perspective to say that parking is good for everyone. Most cities should be discouraging driving and car ownership, not encouraging it. I mean, by that argument, why doesn't the city provide free food for everyone, or free housing, or other services? Surely food and housing are more essential than parking.
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Except the complainers like you just want to add more parking to Journal Square and DJTC, the only places where major new construction is happening where more spaces could be mandated. So, what's your point?
Posted on: 2014/9/12 17:45
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Depends where. We shouldn't be encouraging anyone to drive anywhere in downtown. There's plenty of public transit for that.
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Why do the long-term residents get special treatment? Maybe we should get rid of all parking permits and abolish subsidized on-street parking entirely. Every street could have a nice green strip on the edges instead! (Obvious hyperbole, though on-street parking should be reduced or eliminated in a lot of places, but there's no reason to discriminate against residents of new buildings--whether you live in a new building or not shouldn't determine whether you can get a parking permit.)
Posted on: 2014/9/12 17:41
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I think many people are improperly conflating the concept of "permanent" parking for residents (whether in a garage or on the street) with "temporary" parking you'd need if you were driving to a store and needed to park your car. Seems like most people agree that free "permanent" parking is not some absolute right. You either get a permanent spot as part of buying your residence, you pay for a garage, or you drive around every night looking for street parking. But the problem seems to be the lack of temporary parking if you needed to drive somewhere. Seems like some say there is nowhere near enough parking and more spaces must be added while others think there's plenty of temporary parking. Might want to focus the discussion on that, because I agree that cities should be required to provide enough temporary parking spots to accommodate most. Shouldn't have to drive around 20 min looking for a spot if you need to drive somewhere.
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They shouldn't be sold to the highest bidder--some subsidization is fair and no doubt necessary for a functioning economy and society in a still-car-centric state. But they shouldn't be free (or 1% of true value) either. Unlike firefighting or dog runs, street parking is a commodity for which demand exceeds supply; charging a higher fee can reduce that demand, making it easier to obtain for people who need it most. And reducing that demand also carries myriad other benefits to the city, from less pollution to less road wear and less competition for driving space.
Posted on: 2014/9/12 16:22
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Morristown is great. That theater has the best programming (you listening, Loews?) what I love most about it is that's it's so easy to get to by train.
Posted on: 2014/9/12 14:36
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This "property" argument is kind of silly. I like to sit at those tables in Grove Plaza and eat lunch. Should I pay rent? I also take my dog to the dog run at VVP - should he kick in a few bucks? I warn you, Henry is a notoriously bad tipper.
Cities provide public services like streets, stoplights, fire departments. And yeah, parking. It doesn't mean there shouldn't be some permits required to keep commuters from grabbing the free spots, or that people who want free parking shouldn't have to search for it, but this argument that street parking should be sold to the highest bidder is kind of dumb.
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No, there are not if you read my post below... there are no spaces to rent for a few hours in GV, Lincoln Park, The Heights, Bergen Hill, West Side and SGV the only areas that provide valet parking or hourly parking is Journal Square and DTJC.
Posted on: 2014/9/12 14:30
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There are spaces.. you just have to pay for them. How is paying for property that you use unfair?
Posted on: 2014/9/12 14:24
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This is the most sensible post here. I don't own a car and don't need a car but I'm not saying nobody should be able to own a car here. By owning a car in a dense city, though, they should understand some inconveniences will come with it. Just like any other city street parking is hard to find. So you have the option: Either deal with having to drive around until you find a spot which is potentially several blocks away but is free, or decide to pay for the convenience of a reserved spot. The only people who give a rat's ass about this parking (non)issue are the Yvonnes of the world who want time to stand still just so they can have their free parking spot forever and ever. Cities always have and always will be evolving. Get over it.
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I'll tell you what city in NJ has a kicking nightlife that totally blew me away, Morristown (BECAUSE it was totally unexpected being in what i view as the burbs).
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If you truly believe there are plenty of parking spaces in this city since the population boom you either do not drive a car or you are doing what you do best... trolling!
Posted on: 2014/9/12 13:47
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Nonsense, there's plenty of parking available in JC.
Posted on: 2014/9/12 1:01
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Unless this city has a continuous turn-over of single dwellers, the problem will only get worse as single dwellers get married and start families and don't chose to move away - which they shouldn't have to with a well managed parking and traffic plan by city officials.
I know of no family with children of school age that don't have a car living downtown
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Our city's transportation system is not adequate for someone to be car free. Until then, the city should require developers to provide adequate parking spaces for not only residents but their visitors as well.
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A scheme of visitors permits is needed for every valid permanent permit. The problem with visitors permits is that residents then try to make money from them by selling or renting out those permits. The planning dept should put conditions on developers that all off street parking must be provided to be granted a building permit and that any apartment must be given a parking spot without incurring an extra cost, but rather it must be a combined cost for rental or sales of their apartments - Meaning it would be illegal to subdivide a parking spot and an apartment in their complex
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You can disagree. But that only makes you wrong. I understand you want to stick with what worked when you were a kid, but times change. Get with the times or get out. Right now, you?re only a speed bump in the way of progress. Quote:
Right and nobody is saying that you shouldn?t be allowed to park your car. What people are pointing out is that your ?right to free parking? isn?t real. Parking is property, which is at a premium. If you?d like to use it, then you have to pay for it. By increasing fees, only those that truly need a car will pay. Those that don?t won?t. Quote:
People are moving away from the car more and more. It?s just a fact. As the city becomes more urban and there are more options, the dependence upon the automobile will decrease even further. The reality is the demand isn?t there. Lots of the existing parking decks remain empty and unused. It?s great in theory to clamor for parking, but it is just not a necessity. Just as you say that you?ll pay the $10 Holland Tunnel cost and the $40 parking cost just to hang out for an evening in certain parts of Manhattan. Well, if you want to keep the car, that?s fine. You?ll just pay a luxury for it. If you?re fine with that, then no biggie. If you want to continue having free parking, that is where we differ. Quote:
You are wrong if you think the Upper East Side and Upper West Side have the same amount of options. I spent a lot of time up there at friends? places and the options grow stale just as quickly. You have to get on the subway and ride it to another area. While you may not like the PATH, and I agree that they do tend to screw us, it is an option for getting in and out of NYC, which I?ve used quite frequently. You have an alternative to the car, which you choose to not use. Finally? sure. I guess. Whatever. To you, every inch of NYC is exciting. I?m not sure why you aren?t living in Staten Island then? Quote:
Not for nothing, but? Owning a car absolutely is a luxury. You may depend upon your vehicle for easier transportation, but owning the vehicle is not an absolute right.
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I also want to make the point that not everyone with a car here is using it as a luxury. I'm from nj, have a master's degree, and a license in this state to practice my profession. My boyfriend, when I met him, was living in Astoria and working in manhattan. I tried commuting to nj from Astoria for work for four months and had to give it up because it was too many hours commuting per day. My professional license prevents me from working in nyc. So I am working here and he is working there. Jersey city is our compromise. I work in Bergen county which is not easily accessible through public transportation so I have a car. It's not an item I only using on weekends or keep because I'm fancy. I use it daily and this is the only way our life together works.
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Btw, costs approximately does not equal NYC. The number of nightlife options/restaurants/lounges in those areas you mentioned is much greater than JC - even DTJC.
And if you live in the upper east side, you have relatively quick connection to all parts of NYC via MTA. We have connection via PATH - again the worst transit system in the world. Finally, if you live in any part of NYC and think the neighborhood is boring it is probably because you are boring.
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I could care less as to how much it costs to park on the street. I am arguing against 2 things 1) The stupid opinion here that younger individuals will not want to have a car while living in JC and cite stats that show people do not want/need a car in NYC. JC is not NYC - it is not midtown, it is not the upper west side, it is not even brooklyn but dtjc may come close. Let's just be real here. 2) The opposition to new buildings having parking spaces. Units with spaces cost about 10% more - the demand is there. Let the free market work please...
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I am genuinely curious: where do you drive to find better nightlife? Montclair? Secaucus?
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Another young driver chiming in - I need a car, as I work further out in NJ, and a 20 minute commute via car becomes a 1.5 hour commute on public transportation.
Since I don't live in a luxury building with a dedicated garage, my options are pay for a dedicated park in a surface lot or try my hand at the crap-shoot that is street parking. Life's too short to drive around the block a half-dozen time a night, so I rent a spot in a surface lot. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really understand this argument. If you have to have a car in JC (which is, in fact, a city), then you either need to pay for dedicated parking or park on the street. While it would be nice for every new apartment /condo unit to have 1.5 dedicated parking spots, that is unreasonable (given that developable land is at a premium). Some new residents aren't going to drive, and some are. Those that do drive are going to make parking tighter for everyone else. No one has the right to an available parking spot on their block. Increased density is going to make the fact that free street parking isn't a right all that more obvious.
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I disagree with the idea there are too many cars, it is the fact that new development in the past required a parking spot for each unit. That requirement is relaxed so we have more development without planned parking. It is the city that is creating the problem. They erroneously believe people will give up their cars.
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I meant deeded. Ours is deeded. If you lease from this owner building (no rental companies you must lease from an owner) you can park in the parking lot for free. It's including in the rent.
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The issue isn?t a lack of parking. The issue is that there are too many cars. I assume you?ve visited these friends before. If so, then you likely knew the expected problem with parking. Why not just take a cab or Uber? Quote:
If there is an increase in fee for parking, then those that can?t afford will sort out a new location to live where they can afford it or they will figure out how to live without the car. In all seriousness, if someone works in Manhattan and lives in JC, they do not need a car for work. Thus, the existence of the car is merely a luxury that they should be paying a premium for. Quote:
Good luck to your friends. They clearly feel that having a car is more important than living in JC. Quote:
If you lived in many of the residential areas of Manhattan that could provide costs approximating DTJC, such as the upper west side or upper east side, you?d find that the area you live in is quite boring as well. Every area has ?limited options in walking distance.? Thus, you would need to travel to other parts of Manhattan to get your entertainment. As you state, you pay $40 bucks to park your car in NYC for evening. Well, I don?t see a reason why it can?t cost more than that for a month?s parking permit in JC. Nobody is saying you can?t have the car. They are simply pointing out that it should cost more than a dollar a month to park on the street.
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I'm relatively young and I would want a dedicated parking spot. Also, when I looked for condo units, I ruled out any building without a dedicated space.
Rationale? In NYC, I would live without a car. In JC, even the best part of JC - dtjc, there is not enough nightlife and/or restaurant options for me to live without a car. DTJC is not NYC and the heights and journal square, although not a war zone like BL and Greenville, is definitely less happening than DTJC. If I had no car, again - where would I hang out? CH Martin, Morlees - maybe rainbow? please. Finally although dtjc does have a connection to NYC - it is unreliable. The PATH is the worst transit system ever created and on nights when I do not want to wait 40 minutes with drunk people vying for a space on a path train back to NJ, I drive in and pay the 40 bucks to park my car. It's worth it
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