ianmac47 wrote:
"107,500-seat stadium for motor sports"

Hahaha, NASCAR?! Hill billys is coming to dat here big ol' city.

Yvonne wrote:
Quote:

caj11 wrote:
Quote:

bodhipooh wrote:
Quote:

caj11 wrote:
more visitors to a city = more crime; it's a fact of life.

Explain NYC...

News flash, New York City has crime, at least some of it attributable to the fact that there are visitors from all over the world. Some of those visitors do get robbed/attacked sometimes. It happens. Of course, I will readily admit that all the extra tax revenue brought in and jobs created as a result of those visitors far outweighs the resulting added crime. I don't think the same thing could be said for Jersey City.

Also, when I say more crime, I am speaking in aggregate terms. The crime rate in Atlantic City is actually lower than it was before casinos if you count all the visitors as part of the city's population. But any way you slice it, the total amount of crime is higher - hence the need for more law enforcement and hence one of the previous posters' doubts about the Jersey City police being able to handle the added crime that comes with more visitors.

Now you sound like Mayor Healy when he said crime is down. The prostitution problem is really bad.

SteveWilson29 wrote:
Quote:

moobycow wrote:
Quote:

SteveWilson29 wrote:
Where exactly would a 100, 000 person stadium plus parking go? There's no room down there.

One would assume they have an idea of where they are putting things but it is a good question. If you took the whole area just south of the park I think you could fit a speedway but then there wouldn't be much room for a casino. I suppose the footprint of the building doesn't need to be that large and I would guess they mostly just want to punt on parking and say take mass transit, which would obviously not work with that many people.

Just south of the park is the golf course and point liberte. There really isn't much undeveloped land there.

caj11 wrote:
Quote:

bodhipooh wrote:
Quote:

caj11 wrote:
more visitors to a city = more crime; it's a fact of life.

Explain NYC...

News flash, New York City has crime, at least some of it attributable to the fact that there are visitors from all over the world. Some of those visitors do get robbed/attacked sometimes. It happens. Of course, I will readily admit that all the extra tax revenue brought in and jobs created as a result of those visitors far outweighs the resulting added crime. I don't think the same thing could be said for Jersey City.

Also, when I say more crime, I am speaking in aggregate terms. The crime rate in Atlantic City is actually lower than it was before casinos if you count all the visitors as part of the city's population. But any way you slice it, the total amount of crime is higher - hence the need for more law enforcement and hence one of the previous posters' doubts about the Jersey City police being able to handle the added crime that comes with more visitors.

bodhipooh wrote:
Quote:

caj11 wrote:
more visitors to a city = more crime; it's a fact of life.

Explain NYC...

caj11 wrote:
more visitors to a city = more crime; it's a fact of life.

Seagull wrote:
Quote:

jerseymom wrote:
If our current first responders cannot effectively curb crime in our city, how will they be able to absorb the additional load that this proposed project will bring?

So gamblers are criminals?

jerseymom wrote:
If our current first responders cannot effectively curb crime in our city, how will they be able to absorb the additional load that this proposed project will bring?

What about firefighting and EMS? I would think there would have to be a serious investment in new equipment and training to be able to respond effectively to a development of this size - in addition to all of the other new developments that are planned for the city.

And who all pays for those investments?

I'd be very interested in hearing the perspective of a cop/firefighter/EMT on their thoughts on the preparations necessary to support the scope of these projects.

jerseymom wrote:
If our current first responders cannot effectively curb crime in our city, how will they be able to absorb the additional load that this proposed project will bring?

Bogart wrote:
There's a large industrial area in the middle of the park near Black Tom, just north of the golf course. It's directly across from the Statue of Liberty. Who would object if some of those buildings/parking lots were replaced with a race track?

RUinHamiltonPark wrote:
Quote:

Monroe wrote:
And look who's been hired by Fireman to push the deal-lobbyist Bill Pascrell III, the son of sitting Democratic Congressman Bill Pascrell Jr! III lists himself as an advisor to Gov's McGreevey and Corzine, and Senators the (late) Lautenberg and current Menendez. I guess he manages to do this on his lunch hour, as he's employed as the County Counsel for Passaic County . . .

Think the good ol' boy Democratic machine isn't running this show?

(Mind you, I'm in favor of this, but boy is it fun to point this out to those who whine constantly about alleged Republican corruption).

Yes, I mean, was Wolff and Samson unavailable?

Monroe wrote:
And look who's been hired by Fireman to push the deal-lobbyist Bill Pascrell III, the son of sitting Democratic Congressman Bill Pascrell Jr! III lists himself as an advisor to Gov's McGreevey and Corzine, and Senators the (late) Lautenberg and current Menendez. I guess he manages to do this on his lunch hour, as he's employed as the County Counsel for Passaic County . . .

Think the good ol' boy Democratic machine isn't running this show?

(Mind you, I'm in favor of this, but boy is it fun to point this out to those who whine constantly about alleged Republican corruption).

maybeMoving wrote:


I hope this goes through. I don't gamble but it absolutely would provide local jobs, it would bring people in from NYC and around the region, and hopefully provide a few cool attractions aside from gambling. As for the whole "regressive tax" thing. Whatever. If people want to gamble they can already do so legally on the internet or by playing the lotto anywhere in NJ.

maybeMoving wrote:
I say bring it on. It's funny watching the irrational fear that springs up any time there's talk of a casino somewhere other than Vegas or AC. Everyone thinking their backyard is going to be flooded with riff-raff, crime is going to go through the roof, the already poor are going to gamble away all of their money, etc.

I grew up in Buffalo and in the mid-90s there was outrage that a casino was being built across the border in Canada. It was going to ruin lives and everyone's husbands would be leaving their families for hookers and drugs just across the border. Guess what happened. Nothing.

About 6 or 7 years later Niagara Falls, NY (a dump of a town) decided they were also going to build one. Same scenario played out and once again nothing happened but some added tax revenue and much needed beautifcation of a run down area of town.

I hope this goes through. I don't gamble but it absolutely would provide local jobs, it would bring people in from NYC and around the region, and hopefully provide a few cool attractions aside from gambling. As for the whole "regressive tax" thing. Whatever. If people want to gamble they can already do so legally on the internet or by playing the lotto anywhere in NJ.

07310 wrote:
Quote:

T-Bird wrote:
The casino is a distraction. Unlikely it ever happens.

I agree. If it did happen it would be a traffic nightmare for the residents living close to it. Think route 3 near Met Life Stadium when a game is scheduled.

T-Bird wrote:
The casino is a distraction. Unlikely it ever happens.