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Ask anyone that hasn't traveled much within the US to list the top places they'd love to see, and it would be pretty close to this list. Just surprised that places like New Orleans/ Mississippi, San Francisco, the Rockies/Denver, and the Liberty Bell/PA didn't rank ahead of AC.
Posted on: 2014/6/22 16:24
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These lists are basically paid ads by the locations. I wouldn't put too much stock in them.
Posted on: 2014/6/22 16:02
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@Monroe - What states do better? Hawaai and Florida by a mile. Likely most of the West coast and the Carolinas too. Canadians probably get lost on the GSP or run out of gas and end up on a NJ beach. Truth is NJ beaches are not really a beach destination - and that is down to it's run-down, dilapidated, MTV/Jersey Shore/drunken brat,Sandy-battered image. Sure it generates cash, but it could make a hell of a lot more.
Tripadvisors top 25 beaches. None are in NJ. http://www.tripadvisor.com/TravelersChoice-Beaches On other top sites, only Cape May gets a mention. http://travel.usnews.com/Rankings/Best_Beaches_in_the_USA/ http://www.travelchannel.com/interest ... rticles/top-10-us-beaches http://www.photos4travel.com/destinat ... ular-beaches-in-the-world In previous link, even Lake Mead gets way more visitors than AC's boardwalk. (7.6 million vs 4 million). http://www.thetravelerszone.com/trave ... -destinations-in-america/
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somehow nyc and nys manage to invest in their infrastructure and thrive. which begs the question - ny is doing so much better than nj so why isn't running around trying to be a potus contender
Posted on: 2014/6/22 15:28
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Compared to what state? NJ shore tourism is a 20 billion dollar business. And it came back wonderfully last year despite Sandy, and we get a HUGE influx of Canadians who drive to the Wildwoods and the southern NJ beaches every summer-the number of Quebec license plates on the GSP is mind boggling.
Posted on: 2014/6/22 15:18
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A beach is a beach. Few tourists, if any, outside NY, NJ and PA would have NJ beaches as their first-choice. I know I'd rather go white water rafting down the Colorado, water skiing on Lake Mead and hiking through the Canyonlands, than trying something equivalent on the Delaware, Atlantic and Pine Barrens. But you're probably right - NJ doesn't do a great job of marketing attractions such as it's beaches and the Delaware.
Posted on: 2014/6/22 15:02
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Prevailing wage laws (pushed by the Democrats) mean that construction costs for infrastructure are artificially inflated. Against the national average it costs 8 times per mile for roadwork in NJ. Now I know we're the most congested state in the union, but we're still several times what NY spends. This is the major reason why our Transportation Trust Fund is so quickly depleted, not that our gas tax is too low. So to fund infrastructure we either cut costs in other areas, or raise taxes, or have our Senators bring some pork back to NJ from DC (which we're just about the worst in doing so among the 50 states). The Dems won't allow cutting spending, we're already the highest taxed state in the country, and our Senators spend time defending out of state criminals or waste time writing legislation about truck drivers because of a single accident of a minor celebrity on the NJ Turnpike.
Posted on: 2014/6/22 14:36
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An interesting list of top 25 tourist destinations. LV is #2, AC is #25. I'm surprised AC even makes the list, and that Disney World isn't #3.
http://www.thetravelerszone.com/trave ... -destinations-in-america/
Posted on: 2014/6/22 14:17
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Well, it does have a beach, which the state could do a better job of making attractive. Of course, the casino hotels have no interest in integrating the beach with the hotels, as they want people inside gambling. But there are other non-casino hotels on the boardwalk that could do a better job of touting themselves as a beachfront resort. Of course, the beach is only enjoyable in the summertime.
Posted on: 2014/6/22 14:05
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i am not blaming christie for ac's demise. i blame him and other republican and democratic voters for not investing in infrastructure and just mooching off NY and Penn. Given NJ's proximity to NY, the state should be doing better and don't get me started on camden (which is sh_tsville usa)- they should just raze the town and force the people to integrate with the rest of society
Posted on: 2014/6/22 13:30
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Las Vegas has so many advantages over AC it's a bit of an unfair comparison. Probably LV's biggest advantage is location. Hollywood has given the City iconic status, along with the nearby movie-shoot locations that include the Grand Canyon, Hoover Dam, Monument Valley, Mohave desert, Zion Park, Route 66, the Rockies to name a few. It is probably the road trip center of the world. Add to that it's virtually unlimited room to expand, low-cost real estate, cheap hotel rooms and flights, theme parks, retail, world-class restaurants and shows, Elvis-themed wedding chapels for "quickies", internationally recognizable branding like "Sin City", "What happens in Vegas", "Welcome to Las Vegas" sign and the Strip. LV's success is core to Nevada's success, and years of lax state regulation, toleration of vices and historical ties to the mob have helped hugely.
AC has what? A boardwalk and Nucky Thompson? Casinos in themselves are incidental to the two cities comparative fortunes. And to be fair to Christie, the only thing he could probably do to reverse NJ casino fortunes, is to build them somewhere else like the Meadowlands and leverage the nearby attractions of NYC. Xanadu was probably right idea, wrong execution.
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Part of the problem with that train was that it wasn't much faster than driving or taking the bus, unless there was some seriously bad traffic. That wasn't the train company's fault, but a result of the train tracks that run north to south in New Jersey only going as far as Bay Head instead of all the way to A.C. So the train could only go so far south, then had to cross the Delaware River, hit a switch in Franklin, PA, then go back across the Delaware on the tracks going from west to east to A.C. This had to add on a good 45 minutes or so to the ride. Why the north to south train tracks were never extended all the way to A.C., I don't know, but I'm sure there was a reason for it and there is probably a railroad history buff out there who knows the answer. In any case, if the A.C. train from New York had been a shorter ride, perhaps it would have survived and even thrived, and A.C. would have reaped the benefits.
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The AC Express was express from Newark Penn, so it wasn't like the NJ Transit train that has to make every stop.
You want slow, try driving to the Hamptons on a Friday night!
Posted on: 2014/6/21 21:54
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I stand corrected! But aren't NJ trains just awfully slow. Maybe it's me, but they seem a lot slower than LIRR trains which is why I prefer to go NY beaches versus shore beaches
Posted on: 2014/6/21 21:22
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'Invest in infrastructure'? NJ Transit had a special train to AC, but discontinued it after three years due to lack of ridership-NY Penn, Newark Penn, then direct to AC. It ran at a considerable loss, though subsidized by the state and a consortium of the casinos, from 2009 to 2012. There are a dozen trains daily from 30th Street Station in Philly to AC. AC has their own international airport. AC is Ocean Avenue with a bunch of large hotels nearby, minus the White House sub shop.
Posted on: 2014/6/21 19:53
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i agree with beach over desert any day of the week! perhaps ac is a philly suburb but if nj had invested in the infrastructure which would likely create more demand which might lead to better amenities and more affluent residents and higher spending tourists, then perhaps the philly-area casinos would not stand a chance
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Why do they need to make the effort?
Posted on: 2014/6/21 15:55
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So if it was as simple as you have made it out to be, how come the best marketers haven't executed this plan yet?
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Posted on: 2014/6/21 13:47
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Locally, AC has always been a Philly resident destination-the Philly area casinos have hurt them badly since they've been opened. And for north NJ residents it's actually faster to drive to Bethlehem and cheaper re:gas/tolls. And frankly, Bethlehem is much nicer that AC. I'm not sure that throwing more money at AC will do anything. It's going to get worse when the new NY State casinos come on line as well.
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That is the issue, isn't it? In terms of location, beach over desert any day of the week. It's not even a question. Yet, Vegas, which is pretty much accessible only by plane, has become a destination while AC falls apart. A lot of this has to do with the mismanagement of those managing the casinos which would go for the quick/easy cash grab instead of building something meaningful over time. I'm not sure it is possible for AC to reinvent itself as a destination, but they need to make the effort. A rail line would be a nice start.
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i'd take romney over chhristie any day of the week. at least, roomney did something for his state - athough romey won't admit that he helped inspire obamacare
Posted on: 2014/6/21 11:18
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Atlantic City so desperately needs to re-invent itself the way Vegas did, if that is possible, which it may not be. Vegas knew that it couldn't always depend on gaming revenue and made itself more of a destination to attract non-gamblers as well, and a lot more convention business. Case in point, I've been to Vegas several times, stayed at least three days or more each time, hardly gambled while I was there but found plenty to do and enjoyed myself. The convention business also fills up the rooms. The problem Atlantic City has is that it is on an island that was already fully developed when gambling was legalized, has a far smaller airport than Vegas and is effectively cut off from the rest of the state by being at the end of a long expressway. It always takes longer than I thought it would to get there, and just isn't convenient for hosting large conventions on the scale that Vegas does, particularly when you have the large city of Philadelphia nearby. Vegas could build out into the desert forever and keep offering new amenities to visitors whereas Atlantic City doesn't have a lot of space for expansion. A.C. did prosper for a few years at one point, but once the surrounding areas opened casinos, that was the end for them. Vegas was able to deal with all the new competition from other parts of the country by offering a lot more non-gambling attractions. A.C. has If all that wasn't enough, Vegas itself is suffering from a huge drop off in business and the older casino hotels are dropping like flies. If Vegas is having a bad time and is so heavily dependent on gaming, tourists and conventions, that can't bode well for Atlantic City. But I do have one suggestion here that might encourage more people to visit and spend more time there - coupon books. Las Vegas has them everywhere, people want to be fooled into thinking they're getting a good discount on something, and it works very well. The same could be done in Atlantic City.
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Me?? Gut the city itself. You need to remove the residences that are in proximity. You need to drive the boardwalk to be like the strip. You need to promote more of a party atmosphere. You need to allow entertainment options. I?ve been to Vegas and there is no reason on earth that a bunch of buildings in the middle of a hot dessert should be drawing more people than a location on the beach. I?m not in marketing or brand development. I?m certain that the best marketers could do a better job.
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Nice deflection but the point went over your head. Also, nice try pretending NJ senators were responsible for Sandy aid money. In fact, the problem was Christie appointed one of his prosecutor buddies to be his "storm czar," while Cuomo appointed a guy who used to work in the relevant government agency. That is the reason for the vast difference in Sandy aid. Yet again, Christie fails at hiring the right people. Very poor judgment. The previous poster said how on Earth does Christie think he can run for president? NJ's economic recovery continues to lag significantly behind the rest of the country. You point to bad NJ democratic senators. That's nice. I wouldn't vote for any of them for president either.
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See my previous post, lol. You do know that Congress votes on emergency relief bills, right? So perhaps rather than a flaccid attempt to blame Christie for the distribution (and amount) of Sandy aid . . . Please check with our Democrat Senators who've not only failed us in this, but have relegated NJ to the bottom of the pile of states in receiving back Federal funds vis a vis taxes sent to DC. Thankey. If they'd have done their job the tunnel to Macy's basement probably would've been halfway done, and funded with Federal money. Because, in case you don't know, (not counting the cup of coffee with Chiesa) we've had exactly two Republican Senators serve since 1950! Like apples? How bout them apples??
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One huge problem with Christie is he is utterly incompetent at securing federal money for his state. We all already know how he made NJ lose over $400 million in free federal education funds due to the typo on the application.
Yet another Christie blunder is his securing of Sandy aid money. NY has received double the Sandy aid than NJ, despite NJ arguably being harder hit. So his lying aside, the man has no clue how to help his state get free money. Which hurts everyone. http://www.wnyc.org/story/how-did-cuo ... with-so-much-sandy-money/
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hateChristieblahblahhate no matter he achieved 2% municipal tax caps that reversed a decade of double digit increases. hateChristieblahblahhate no matter he achieved the first meaningful tenure reform in NJ. hateChristieblahblahhate no matter he began putting pension fund payments back on track (even though, like many other states, NJ tax experts underestimated the effect Obama's tax increases would cause wealthy NJ taxpayers to change their portfolios) hateChristieblahblahhate even though NJ is far ahead of NY in their Sandy response and shore remediation. hateChristieblahblahhate even though among national political leaders he's the only one actively working with his political opponents to form governance by compromise and concession. Who does hero69 have as a political hero? Booker? see Newark re:crime and his disgrace as head of the corrupt Newark Watershed group. Menendez? still under investigation for lobbying for his Dominican friend in Florida who is one of the countries biggest medical insurance fraud, Dr. Melgen.
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maybe the problems at revel and xanadu aren't christie's fault, but why is he wasting taxpayer dollars on the these white elephants? i repeat christie has not done anything for jersey, and the guy wants to be president? really?
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