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They should be able to provide information in real time re:true number of enrollees, how many lacked insurance previously, age demographics of enrollees, how many joined Medicare, etc. The reason why they won't? It's embarrassing, and will show that Obamacare will cost gazillions more than they said it would to the middle class, not insure many more than have been uninsured, and overall be unsustainable.
Posted on: 2014/3/31 17:11
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The White house isn't releasing figures as to has paid, but info leaked from the insurance providers indicate as high as 30% the rate of non-payers.
Posted on: 2014/3/31 16:21
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Since Obama can't say how many enrollees lacked insurance before, nor how many enrollees actually ARE enrolled (ie, they've paid)-why not just give the job to the NSA to figure out?
Posted on: 2014/3/31 16:15
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The practice expanded during the days of really high tax rates. It was a way of providing a form of compensation that wasn't subject to the income tax. So basically the company would pay for your kid's braces instead of paying you extra salary.
Posted on: 2014/3/31 16:00
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in another sign of obamacare's failings, the federal system stopped working today and it is doubtful that the plan will reach its goals. so sad!
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/01/us/ ... -last-enrollment-day.html
Posted on: 2014/3/31 14:26
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Three promises (video), - the biggest consumer fraud in the history of the USA.
(Tried to embed it, - but for some reason it is didn't work.)
Posted on: 2014/3/15 14:27
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and the big losers are employees..interesting article on companies cutting back on 401k's...many companies already ditched the defined benefit program.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02 ... facebook-to-jpmorgan.html Companies Squeeze 401K Plans From Facebook to JPMorgan By Carol Hymowitz and Margaret Collins Feb 14, 2014 12:01 Employers are squeezing their workers? retirement savings, holding back on both the amount and the timing of 401(k) matching funds and dragging out vesting schedules. Taken together, these measures are making it more difficult to save for old age....
Posted on: 2014/2/17 18:27
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well ww2 ended how many decades ago, maybe the us needs to re-assess how healthcare is provided
Posted on: 2014/2/17 16:08
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There were also salary freezes after WW2 to hold down inflation. Perks like health insurance were offered instead.
Posted on: 2014/2/17 15:19
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Businesses became involved as it is a "bonus". There used to be a point in time when businesses would try and lure in top talent and they did so by having incentives. Healthcare was one such an incentive.
Posted on: 2014/2/17 15:13
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I skimmed at the GOP proposal and sadly it is bull. About the only thing that makes sense is the need for malpractice reform. Other than that I don't see how these proposals will address healthcare reform without increasing the deficit or making healthcare more UNaffordable for those who do not work for corporations/small businesses.
Again, I ask why are businesses even involved in providing healthcare or in many other benefits. Businsses are not socialist enterprises.
Posted on: 2014/2/17 13:45
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Here is a link to the White Paper prepared by several Republican senators laying out an alternative to the ACA. You would have to read it, and Google commentary on it, to decide for yourself if it's a 'better' option than the current law - http://www.hatch.senate.gov/public/_c ... EGISLATIVE%20PROPOSAL.pdf Key provisions seem to be doing away with the mandate for coverage, and capping the exclusion of an employees job-provided insurace coverage. I'm not sure how one "games" this to see if it works.
Posted on: 2014/2/14 18:31
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the fact is that the GOP had no realistic, affordable health care proposal, other than romneycare which works well in massachusetts.
the us spends more per person on healthcare than any other person yet the outcomes are worse than any other rich country!
Posted on: 2014/2/13 3:38
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hero69, first and foremost, you keep missing the point. However bad it was before, Obamacare made it worse. Much, much worse. In this situation you do not get to ask "yes, but what was GOP remedy?" as a counterpoint. Because even if GOP had no ideas at all and planned on doing nothing at all, - even then their plan would have been better!
And, if you want to find out what GOP alternative proposals were, - why not GOOGLE those? What is wrong with you people? Look, I understand that Obama told you "GOP offered no alternatives". I understand that party press never questioned that statement. Fine. However, it is not the 80-s. It is 2013, even though you can't tell by looking at how obamacare website was implemented. Do you not know how to google? After all those comments about how dumb republicans are, - one would expect you should at least know how to google! Does it ever occur to you that you do not have to blindly believe everything Obama and the press tell you? Damn...
Posted on: 2014/2/13 2:56
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so borispwhat was thhe gop remedy? give individduals so they can go out and buy health insurannce on their own? wtf. individual plans are much more expennsive than group plans? and how do you make sure that tthose with pre-existing conditions can get coverage?
Posted on: 2014/2/12 17:09
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hero69 wrote: GOP was not holding anyone hostage. They proposed to vote for the rest of the budget without obamacare - and then discuss the postponement. It was Obama who tied the fate of the whole budget to his pet cause, and who proclaimed that Obamacare must be implemented immediately and right away or everything will go down! Quote: hero69 wrote: This is the weirdest argument possible. Imagine you are going to a doctor because you have hit your toe and suspect it may be broken, - and that doctor chops off your whole leg, - and not even the one with the broken toe! Do you think that the good doctor can excuse himself by saying something "the bottom line is that nobody else had better plan of treatment"? No. The bottom line is that you made the situation many times worse, - THAT is the bottom line. Compared to Obamacare, "doing nothing at all" already was much more reasonable and much more affordable! Quote: Wishful_Thinking wrote: I am afraid I can't explain. Two reasons. First, your statement of fact is entirely wrong. It is not about 2million people leaving, it is about many more people cutting their productivity and hours. It is not about people who stay to keep insurance, - it is about people trying to not advance their careers so that they do not lose the subsidy. It was already said many times, - by explaining it one more I am not adding anything. Second, some things are not explainable. I can't explain why I think it is wrong to force others to pay one's bills. To me it is a self-evident truth. Either you do believe that it is permissible to force others to work for you, or you don't. Funny, but this exactly the difference in the belief systems between Republicans and Democrats that lead to the Civil War.
Posted on: 2014/2/12 5:19
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The costs to insure employees has been increasing substantially every year for almost a decade. In fact, it's only slowed down in the past year or so, though it is not clear yet whether the ACA was a factor. This was not only a problem long before the ACA was voted on (let alone enacted), it was part of the reason to pursue health care reform in the first place.
Posted on: 2014/2/11 22:58
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As noted in the article, she didn't go to the US for care because of time constraints. She went because the best hospital for the procedure was located in the US. Americans also do a lot of medical tourism, notably to Mexico, because of the high costs of medical procedures. Quote: US emergency rooms are also overcrowded... as mentioned in the article you linked. Quote: How does a shortage of prenatal units indicate that the entire Canadian system is a disaster? This is not a serious critique of the Canadian medical system. It's a handful of isolated issues and problems. Meanwhile... ? Canada has a lower infant mortality rate than the US ? Canada has a slightly higher life expectancy than the US (82.5 vs 79.8) ? Total spending on health care as a percentage of GDP in Canada is nearly half that of the US You're going to need something a bit more comprehensive than a couple of articles, that don't really prove your point in the first place.
Posted on: 2014/2/11 22:54
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is janet yellen a communist like boss obama! where does she stand on ending healthcare handouts to those not deserving it
Posted on: 2014/2/11 19:28
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So let me get this straight... since the economic downturn, began, the majority of jobs created have been lower-paying and/or part-time: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/bus ... ges-study-finds.html?_r=0 The Affordable Care Act enables 2+ million people who are staying in jobs solely to keep their health insurance leave that job, retire, etc. And this is a bad thing why?! borisp - here is something that you Conservatives can aspire to bring back, once the ACA is underminded - auctioning off the poor! http://www.poorhousestory.com/AUCTION_POOR.htm
Posted on: 2014/2/11 18:11
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Obama was correct in not letting the GOP hold the US hostage. The bottom line is that the GOP has no reasonable, affordable plan for how to improve healthcare in the US. ObamaCare is not perfect but its better than what we had before.
And I wonder why the employer needs to provide healthcare benefits at all. Why should the government provide it rather than the US government as is done in all other rich industrialized countries.
Posted on: 2014/2/11 17:10
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President Obama, using his newly discovered royal power to suspend laws, decided to postpone some sections of Obamacare till 2016. This doesn't look sufficient, I am afraid he will have to postpone again, till after the 2016 elections.
Remember the good old times, when Republicans proposed to legally postpone the rollout of Obamacare for one year, and Obama threatened to default on the US Debt and cause economic catastrophe if they do not budge? How time flies...
Posted on: 2014/2/11 4:41
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Posted on: 2014/2/10 13:15
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Posted on: 2014/2/8 14:00
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When people declare bankruptcy they don't go on welfare. That's the entire benefit of declaring bankruptcy. You wind up reorganizing your some debt and having other debt forgiven so that you end up in a much more financially sound situation. And you continue on. Declaring bankruptcy is practically protection from going on welfare.
Posted on: 2014/2/8 0:32
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And I?m not buying that. There is a larger picture than what you?re painting here. For one, those previously uninsured people received medical coverage. Where do you think that came from? For two, who was paying for the individuals that had to file bankruptcy and lost everything only to end up on welfare after medical costs for pre-existing conditions crushed them? You can say that costs are going up, but it?s not fully vetted out that this has happened. The OP has stated it happened for him. There have been articles posted about people where the costs have gone down. Lots of statements have been made about how it will benefit some and while hindering others. The question is, will it benefit more than those it hurts. On that, the jury is still out.
Posted on: 2014/2/7 23:19
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It sounds to me it's all about you just wanting to take a little bit of risk, not a lot. You can still have your insurance, you'd just have to pay it 100% yourself. No guts, no glory. Start your business and take the risk.
Posted on: 2014/2/7 19:55
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Boris's you hit the nail right on the head.
Posted on: 2014/2/7 19:48
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Really? It is simple economics. People who previously could not afford coverage now are receiving it either for free or at reduced cost. That extra coverage does not come from thin air. It comes from increasing the premiums of those who previously had and could afford their own plans. Now they will pay more to compensate, just like the OP.
Posted on: 2014/2/7 19:43
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