Monroe wrote:
First, the poor dead fellow loses his life in a carjacking. Then, some people speculate his wife was involved.

He's being buried tomorrow, show some respect. By any means, he was a kind man, loving husband, liked by his neighbors, well educated and a positive force to society.

That his life was snuffed out by a stain on our planet, regardless of color, is horrible. Let's only hope these two dirt bags get caught fast before they jack another car with perhaps some of our loved ones inside.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Based on your avatar, boss, I think there's only one queen in this discussion.

Damn, just when I was starting to agree with you on this board!

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user1111 wrote:
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nyrgravey9 wrote:


And to User, watch where you throw those titles around boss. Just because you're the progressive Oracle of Greenville, don't be ignorant and label people racist when clearly you haven't a clue as to the definition of the word.

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VanVorster wrote:
It's not a matter of blaming whitey as inartfully stated. It's simply the vestiges of what was done in the past (codifying enshrining white supremacy) over centuries whether in the US, Brazil or other places like South Africa. Also, even when white people dip below 50% in this country, they will just end up sharing some power but won't lose their actual stronghold on it. Look at Brazil where whites are already in the minority and have been for some time but maintain power or South Africa where whites still have power along with a small black elite. I don't buy reverse racism any more than I do heterophobia or reverse sexism. And I think racism applies to more than blacks (e.g, Hispanics who don't pass, Asians, etc.).

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/07 ... h-thing-as-Reverse-Racism

http://newsreel.org/guides/race/whiteadv.htm

I never once mentioned you in my post, but it the shoe fits... you know the rest. You sound like a bitter racist queen with all these rants.

user1111 wrote:
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nyrgravey9 wrote:


And to User, watch where you throw those titles around boss. Just because you're the progressive Oracle of Greenville, don't be ignorant and label people racist when clearly you haven't a clue as to the definition of the word.

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VanVorster wrote:
It's not a matter of blaming whitey as inartfully stated. It's simply the vestiges of what was done in the past (codifying enshrining white supremacy) over centuries whether in the US, Brazil or other places like South Africa. Also, even when white people dip below 50% in this country, they will just end up sharing some power but won't lose their actual stronghold on it. Look at Brazil where whites are already in the minority and have been for some time but maintain power or South Africa where whites still have power along with a small black elite. I don't buy reverse racism any more than I do heterophobia or reverse sexism. And I think racism applies to more than blacks (e.g, Hispanics who don't pass, Asians, etc.).

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/07 ... h-thing-as-Reverse-Racism

http://newsreel.org/guides/race/whiteadv.htm

I never once mentioned you in my post, but it the shoe fits... you know the rest. You sound like a bitter racist queen with all these rants.

nyrgravey9 wrote:


And to User, watch where you throw those titles around boss. Just because you're the progressive Oracle of Greenville, don't be ignorant and label people racist when clearly you haven't a clue as to the definition of the word.

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VanVorster wrote:
It's not a matter of blaming whitey as inartfully stated. It's simply the vestiges of what was done in the past (codifying enshrining white supremacy) over centuries whether in the US, Brazil or other places like South Africa. Also, even when white people dip below 50% in this country, they will just end up sharing some power but won't lose their actual stronghold on it. Look at Brazil where whites are already in the minority and have been for some time but maintain power or South Africa where whites still have power along with a small black elite. I don't buy reverse racism any more than I do heterophobia or reverse sexism. And I think racism applies to more than blacks (e.g, Hispanics who don't pass, Asians, etc.).

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/07 ... h-thing-as-Reverse-Racism

http://newsreel.org/guides/race/whiteadv.htm

VanVorster wrote:
It's not a matter of blaming whitey as inartfully stated. It's simply the vestiges of what was done in the past (codifying enshrining white supremacy) over centuries whether in the US, Brazil or other places like South Africa. Also, even when white people dip below 50% in this country, they will just end up sharing some power but won't lose their actual stronghold on it. Look at Brazil where whites are already in the minority and have been for some time but maintain power or South Africa where whites still have power along with a small black elite. I don't buy reverse racism any more than I do heterophobia or reverse sexism. And I think racism applies to more than blacks (e.g, Hispanics who don't pass, Asians, etc.).

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/07 ... h-thing-as-Reverse-Racism

http://newsreel.org/guides/race/whiteadv.htm

Adonis wrote:
Institutional racism exists. Look no further than the minimum wage laws.

VanVorster wrote:
Institutional racism is real. If you can't draw the connection between blacks in favelas in Brazil to blacks in projects in Irvington, then you lack insight. After slavery, Jim Crow etc, they were never intended to be acculturated into the American fabric or mainstream (the schools deplorable, there are no jobs with manufacturing going off-shore and their environment horrible) any more than poor white Appalachian people in West Virginia who salve their souls with meth or illicit activities. And spare the wholesale "problem with black culture" there is NO uniform black culture anymore than there is a uniform white culture. Are you indicting all of wall street and saying inflammatory statements of "no one wants to talk about the elephant in the room and ALL the white men who keep stealing on Wall Street and corporate America, whether it's Madoff ponzi schemes or the excesses of others, something has to stop" NO you look at white people as individuals, just as you should. http://gawker.com/video-of-violent-ri ... white-culture-o-954939719

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Monroe wrote:
I guess the news that the thugs were shadowing other cars at the mall, and that the victim had opened the door for his wife, then was jumped when he tried to enter his car, can shut up the trolls who feel it was a set up. The husband obviously wasn't going to let the thug drive off with his wife in the car and tried to defend her.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/natio ... jacking-article-1.1549107

There are certain people who refuse to face the truth no matter how it's laid in front of them.

Point to the crime statistics, that's just "institutional racism" at work. What about the knockout game? Haha no such thing, that's just the media trying to scare you. So in this case, it must have been a targeted hit. It simply can't be that we have a huge problem with black culture and violence in this country, not at all.

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Monroe wrote:
I guess the news that the thugs were shadowing other cars at the mall, and that the victim had opened the door for his wife, then was jumped when he tried to enter his car, can shut up the trolls who feel it was a set up. The husband obviously wasn't going to let the thug drive off with his wife in the car and tried to defend her.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/natio ... jacking-article-1.1549107

There are certain people who refuse to face the truth no matter how it's laid in front of them.

Point to the crime statistics, that's just "institutional racism" at work. What about the knockout game? Haha no such thing, that's just the media trying to scare you. So in this case, it must have been a targeted hit. It simply can't be that we have a huge problem with black culture and violence in this country, not at all.

Monroe wrote:
I guess the news that the thugs were shadowing other cars at the mall, and that the victim had opened the door for his wife, then was jumped when he tried to enter his car, can shut up the trolls who feel it was a set up. The husband obviously wasn't going to let the thug drive off with his wife in the car and tried to defend her.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/natio ... jacking-article-1.1549107

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trambone wrote:
They obviously did not want the car to sell the parts. It takes about 2 minutes to break into a car and hotwire it. Then its an easy drive to get it chopped. I think you may be onto something about it being a "hit"

Why would you do a hit in a crowded parking lot of all places?

Great question, Why do they do hits on Ocean and MLK in broad day light?

trambone wrote:
They obviously did not want the car to sell the parts. It takes about 2 minutes to break into a car and hotwire it. Then its an easy drive to get it chopped. I think you may be onto something about it being a "hit"

radryan03 wrote:
Anyone else read through the the available details and think this stinks?? I think this was a 'job'

- Of all the available cars in Short Hills they went for an aged RR - the hot car is a MB. These cars dont just get dropped after a joy ride - they are on boats to Africa rather quickly... and plenty of nice cars sit in the valet with keys in the ignition
- They apparently approached the car, shot the dude 4 times, and left the wife untouched - why leave a witness if you were that willing to off the guy?
- His job was reviewing legal claims in construction... Hmmm?

My gamble - either the wife put this together OR this was a hit related to his job.

Regardless of what really happened.. my thoughts are with his family and friends - I cant imagine dealing with anything like this, let alone during the holiday season.

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trambone wrote:
They obviously did not want the car to sell the parts. It takes about 2 minutes to break into a car and hotwire it. Then its an easy drive to get it chopped. I think you may be onto something about it being a "hit"

Why would you do a hit in a crowded parking lot of all places?

trambone wrote:
They obviously did not want the car to sell the parts. It takes about 2 minutes to break into a car and hotwire it. Then its an easy drive to get it chopped. I think you may be onto something about it being a "hit"

radryan03 wrote:
Anyone else read through the the available details and think this stinks?? I think this was a 'job'

- Of all the available cars in Short Hills they went for an aged RR - the hot car is a MB. These cars dont just get dropped after a joy ride - they are on boats to Africa rather quickly... and plenty of nice cars sit in the valet with keys in the ignition
- They apparently approached the car, shot the dude 4 times, and left the wife untouched - why leave a witness if you were that willing to off the guy?
- His job was reviewing legal claims in construction... Hmmm?

My gamble - either the wife put this together OR this was a hit related to his job.

Regardless of what really happened.. my thoughts are with his family and friends - I cant imagine dealing with anything like this, let alone during the holiday season.

radryan03 wrote:
So... how does this make any theory lousy? I mean - until we know the truth... I'd gamble most things are on the table.