fat-ass-bike wrote:
Here is a solution - Undercover treadmills for dogs.
They can be coin operated and set-up anywhere and used anytime! This will also help lazy dog owners or owners unable to run or walk with their dogs. It will mitigate dogs fights, dogs biting people and control the poop being dumped throughout the neighborhood

rs9182 wrote:
To the original poster:

I apologize if a few negligent dog owners have soured your opinion towards dogs, but heres the thing, do you have the same opinion towards parents who don't parent? There are just as many obnoxious parents who don't control their children as there are dog owners who don't properly tend to their dogs.

That being said, Morris Cannel IS a dog park. Don't you DARE tell us that this "will" stop. Dogs need exercise and should be able to enjoy that activity. Furthermore, every time I have been there I have never seen a disobedient dog or negligent dog owner. I'm guessing you do NOT swim in the Hudson so what do you care if dogs are swimming there?

Finally, I know you claim that you didn't mean anything violent when you meant you will "control" my dog if I don't. But if I ever try to see you "control" my very well-behaved dog - or anyone else's - there *will* be an issue.

Get over your issues. Jersey City is a place where dogs are appreciated and loved. If you can't handle that, then move.

Bubble_Tea wrote:
Dog run in the bottom left. That's what we need.
http://www.jcwpc.org/Images/plan.jpg

snowflake20 wrote:
Morris Canal is NOT a dog park. You guys just treat it like that, and its rude and inconsiderate. I stopped going there when my child was a baby and dogs would chase after my stroller "looking for snacks" as their owners would tell me. This was on the sidewalk area, not the grass.

Ted wrote:
There are plenty of off-leash dogs in the streets and sidewalks surround Morris Canal Park as well as in the Circular"lower" portion of the park (it's not just in the water or the end section of the park).

While the majority of these dogs are harmless or well-controlled, there is a significant enough minority (it only takes 5-10% given how many dogs there are) to have an impact on others. It's not always clear which dogs these are when you first encounter them.

I have had several unpleasant interactions (and it seems others have as well), this has become an issue. How does one legally distinguish a responsible dog owner from one who's not (set different laws /have different standards?).

It may fall to the dog-owning community to do more self-policing to prevent things like this from bubbling up. A fellow dog owner may be able to better "call out" irresponsible behavior with results.

I'm all for building a dog park section or even limited off-leash hours like Central Park.

mRanger48 wrote:
Are we really complaining about people unleashing their dogs out by the water...all the way at the end of Morris Canal Park? I get being pissed off about the dog crap...that's very annoying and irresponsible, as stated - and needs to be fixed. It's amazing, either stupid people have to ruin it for everyone or people always have to complain about something. Sounds like both situations are occurring here. Is it really that big of a deal that I go out and throw a frisbee to my dog out at the point of Morris Canal Park? I'm really trying to understand why we are focusing so much on this aspect. I'd like to take my dog out to an open park and play a simple game of catch w/ a ball or frisbee, yet b/c of crappy dog owners, now we have a vendetta ongoing against it. And yes, it's a vendetta when we have complainers, winers and bitchy people hiding behind computer screens threatening to choke and kick dogs. How about people pick up after their dogs? Also, how about if your dog is well trained (which isn't a hard thing to do if you are competent person) you can unleash him/her out to the point to run around and play catch, or go for a swim (insert dirty river joke here)? I mean c'mon...aren't we being a little over the top here?

MikeyTBC wrote:
We need many more people like this. Where can we find those?


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bustjc wrote:

Because there is no law prohibiting me from working with special needs dogs in parks if they are controlled on a leash.

Yet, we are back to case where people don't want to be responsible pet owners and make rules as they see fit. If your off leash dog charges my dog, if your dog is hurt as a result it is absolutely your own fault.
1. You dog should be on a leash
2. If you are going to irresponsible, you need to have vocal control of your dog. Good luck with that most of that time in Jersey City.

Why shouldn't a dog I am working with be able to take a walk in a park? I'm certified dog trainer and I will walk my leashed dog on whatever public property I desire and I will never jeopardize other dogs because I like to let Fluffy run free.

I love how there is an expectation of non aggression with social dogs. I can't tell you how many times off leashed "social" dogs have had fights with others and the owners absolutely can't control the situation. I have actually broken up dog fights in the park because the owners could not.

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dtjcview wrote:
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bustjc wrote (with my corrections):
Have you ever had that moment when a small off leash dog child darted 500 feet across a park toward your leashed dog being trained away from aggressive behaviors? Then had to grab said small dog child to prevent your dog from killing it. Then had the owner parent yell at you for grabbing the dog child quickly and probably roughly because you knew what might happen.

Yeah that happens a lot and its completely unacceptable. I cant be the only person this has happened to considering the trained responses these individuals seem to have.

Why would anyone bring a dog with aggressive behaviors to a park, leashed or otherwise?

bustjc wrote:

Because there is no law prohibiting me from working with special needs dogs in parks if they are controlled on a leash.

Yet, we are back to case where people don't want to be responsible pet owners and make rules as they see fit. If your off leash dog charges my dog, if your dog is hurt as a result it is absolutely your own fault.
1. You dog should be on a leash
2. If you are going to irresponsible, you need to have vocal control of your dog. Good luck with that most of that time in Jersey City.

Why shouldn't a dog I am working with be able to take a walk in a park? I'm certified dog trainer and I will walk my leashed dog on whatever public property I desire and I will never jeopardize other dogs because I like to let Fluffy run free.

I love how there is an expectation of non aggression with social dogs. I can't tell you how many times off leashed "social" dogs have had fights with others and the owners absolutely can't control the situation. I have actually broken up dog fights in the park because the owners could not.

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dtjcview wrote:
Quote:

bustjc wrote (with my corrections):
Have you ever had that moment when a small off leash dog child darted 500 feet across a park toward your leashed dog being trained away from aggressive behaviors? Then had to grab said small dog child to prevent your dog from killing it. Then had the owner parent yell at you for grabbing the dog child quickly and probably roughly because you knew what might happen.

Yeah that happens a lot and its completely unacceptable. I cant be the only person this has happened to considering the trained responses these individuals seem to have.

Why would anyone bring a dog with aggressive behaviors to a park, leashed or otherwise?

rs9182 wrote:
Morris Cannel IS a dog park.

Don't you DARE tell us that this "will" stop.

Dogs need exercise and should be able to enjoy that activity.

Furthermore, every time I have been there I have never seen a disobedient dog or negligent dog owner.

if I ever try to see you "control" my very well-behaved dog - or anyone else's - there *will* be an issue.

dtjcview wrote:
Quote:

bustjc wrote (with my corrections):
Have you ever had that moment when a small off leash dog child darted 500 feet across a park toward your leashed dog being trained away from aggressive behaviors? Then had to grab said small dog child to prevent your dog from killing it. Then had the owner parent yell at you for grabbing the dog child quickly and probably roughly because you knew what might happen.

Yeah that happens a lot and its completely unacceptable. I cant be the only person this has happened to considering the trained responses these individuals seem to have.

Why would anyone bring a dog with aggressive behaviors to a park, leashed or otherwise?

heights wrote:
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rs9182 wrote:
What do you NOT understand about the fact that dogs do need exercise and need to run? It's really not a difficult concept to handle? Also, what is this crusade about to make life more miserable for the rest of us?

Why don't you waste your energy on more pressing issues? The fact that you're currently directing your attention to this matter in such a vigilant manner is just pathetic.

Then your living arangements should be made accordingly knowing that you have a dog with an active lifestyle.
By the way each issue is pressing especially when liabilities are involved. It nothing till it hits the courts.

rs9182 wrote:
What do you NOT understand about the fact that dogs do need exercise and need to run? It's really not a difficult concept to handle? Also, what is this crusade about to make life more miserable for the rest of us?

Why don't you waste your energy on more pressing issues? The fact that you're currently directing your attention to this matter in such a vigilant manner is just pathetic.

rs9182 wrote:
What do you NOT understand about the fact that dogs do need exercise and need to run? It's really not a difficult concept to handle? Also, what is this crusade about to make life more miserable for the rest of us?

Why don't you waste your energy on more pressing issues? The fact that you're currently directing your attention to this matter in such a vigilant manner is just pathetic.

JCParentingUnit wrote:
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rs9182 wrote:
To the original poster:

I'm very supportive of the dog owners on this thread and I think the op is out of his/her mind if they think the "majority" of dog owners are irresponsible. I see hundreds of people walking their dogs on leashes every day. I almost never see any dog poop on the street.

But Morris Canal park is not a dog park in any legal manner. Letting your dog off leash is a risk you take. Morris Canal park is also not a ball playing park, and so the wiffle ball, cricket, and volleyball players also take a risk.

I have seen out of control dogs at Morris Canal. Mine was one that as a puppy played merrily off leash with all his friends at Morris Canal, but after several confrontations, became less friendly. Now he stays on leash except when no one is around at all. I know my dog and know his limitations. I would say most people at Morris Canal know their dogs. There are a few who don't but you don't destroy the entire community for that.

The dog community is really great here. Since this thread started, I have already been asked about getting my building to sponsor a poop bag dispenser and engaged in many discussions on this matter. So thank you op.

This thread is really great as long as we stay a community. There's a lot of momentum for positive change here - off leash hours, a fenced dog park in Paulus Hook, more signage, bag dispensers. Thankfully we have very pro-active community organizers to help implement the change because threatening and shaming doesn't make people want to help.

rs9182 wrote:
To the original poster:

I apologize if a few negligent dog owners have soured your opinion towards dogs, but heres the thing, do you have the same opinion towards parents who don't parent? There are just as many obnoxious parents who don't control their children as there are dog owners who don't properly tend to their dogs.

That being said, Morris Cannel IS a dog park. Don't you DARE tell us that this "will" stop. Dogs need exercise and should be able to enjoy that activity. Furthermore, every time I have been there I have never seen a disobedient dog or negligent dog owner. I'm guessing you do NOT swim in the Hudson so what do you care if dogs are swimming there?

Finally, I know you claim that you didn't mean anything violent when you meant you will "control" my dog if I don't. But if I ever try to see you "control" my very well-behaved dog - or anyone else's - there *will* be an issue.

Get over your issues. Jersey City is a place where dogs are appreciated and loved. If you can't handle that, then move.