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As I suspected all along, that second sentence has revealed you as a gun weirdo.
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You have to remember most of these mass shooters pick crowded areas people would be less likely to be armed. Which is why I agreed with armed guards/police being present in schools as long as they have a good background as well. The schools are just as easy a target with or with out a ban.
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We are a gun crazy nation, more so then any other country in the world or in the history of mankind.
Still, the firearms industry had a $31.8 billion impact on the economy last year, up from $27.8 billion in 2009, due to job creation, sales and taxes levied on guns, according to data from the National Shooting Sports Foundation.
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Why the F**k should I have to present a "counter" to anything? You guys are morons. The argument was settled in Newtown. You are being put on notice and that is all. If you aren't doing anything illegal or don't own guns that are about to be banned then stop your whining. The Feds are clamping down and that's that. You're like gnats. And yes, all your "M1A1 and AR-15 blah, blah, blah" while stroking your barrels is just mindless gun porn. Maybe gun geeks is better? Every hobbyist group has their geeks who want to dissect every aspect of which no one else has any interest. Go play Call of Duty.
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The list is just the beginning. I have fired an M1 and someday it will probably be added to the list as well. Too F-ing bad.
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Would this be considered 'gun porn'?
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People who are the most vocal about gun control such as you know very little about what you are talking about. If you can present your counter argument about my response, let's hear it. It is a fact that Feinstein's gun control list (of 158 "assault rifles) is about banning "black guns", the ones people don't like to see. It makes people feel good that they're doing something about gun violence. The reality is that it would not make any difference. Gun violence has nothing to do with the actual weapons in question. You cannot shift the responsibility to law abiding citizens like me, who have gone through one of the most stringent state laws to obtain my weapons. "Gun Porn" is funny. Thank you for enlightening me with the term. I will surely post more "Gun Porn", with actual pictures, to satisfy the fetish.
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Please practice your "gun porn" somewhere else.
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Here's how ridiculous this "Assault Rifle" ban looks like: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politi ... feinstein-gun-list/61374/
But this is legal and all good: http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?model=13 Given the choice, I would choose the Springfield M1A1 in 308 caliber and 10 rounds (it's a real battle rifle, from WWII) than any AR-15 style "black gun" What's the difference? Cosmetics. One (the M1A1) has a nice walnut stock and looks "respectable" as opposed to any of those in Feinstein's list.
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Daily discounts website Groupon has stopped offering all gun-related deals in North America after the recent spate of school shootings. Under growing pressure from gun-control advocates in recent months, the site quietly suspended all weapon-related discounts, including deals on shooting ranges and concealed-weapons courses.
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So, because criminals can and would make their own high capacity magazines, we should just legalize them and sell them at Walmart so that everyone can be equally armed?
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Have couple of questions: 1. Why would a police need a high-capacity magazine? They are more trained. They work with partners. They can call a backup that would arrive much faster than if I call for help. So, if something is sufficient for me to defend myself, it should be even more sufficient for the police, no? 2. What kind of skills, - in your learned opinion, - are required to manufacture a high-capacity magazine? Yes, I know, no criminal ever would dare to violate this prohibition, but just hypothetically, - if a criminal decides to get himself a high-cap magazine, - would it be hard?
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Don't we have elections to oust poor or corrupt government ?Also just which country in the world is likely or even capable of sending troops into the US to contain and suppress us ?
Its all crap and simply put, its gun manufacturers that will lobby and push that we remain armed until every Tom, Dick and Mary are walking around with a gun in our hands. Its big business for manufacturers to develop and create ways for us to kill each other .... its in the human dna.
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yep, because violent criminals care about gun laws
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Guns kill people, spoons make people fat..
Criminals are not known for the law abiding ways. Banning high capacity magazines will only mean they need to carry more magazines. More guns in the hands of law abiding citizens would drastically decrease crime. A thug on the street is going to be weary about robbing someone because they do not know if the potential target is armed. What really needs to happen is universal background checks, and laws from state to state need to be more in line with each other. Mental health screening should have always been part of the screening process to purchasing firearms.. So more laws will not prevent more crimes. The federal government has spent billions on anti-drug campaigns, we see how that's working.. Concealed carry in NJ is extremely difficult to get, so explain how all these thugs walk around with their guns tucked in their waist band, oh that's right, they don't obey the law.. Personally, I would much rather people be able to defend themselves instead of being easy targets. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... y_man_shot_in_face_b.html Remember that one? Now think if more people were actually permitted to carry, robberies would drastically decrease.. Disarming the innocent does not protect the innocent.
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Let them keep single shot or small clip hunting rifles. No one except the military and, thanks to an abundance of them in the wrong hands, police. Time to start regulating the so-called militia. It's got to be done and it will be.
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Bubba weighs in:
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01 ... ze-gun-culture-86443.html Former President Bill Clinton warned a group of top Democratic donors at a private Saturday meeting not to underestimate the passions that gun control stirs among many Americans. ?Do not patronize the passionate supporters of your opponents by looking down your nose at them,? Clinton said. Continue Reading Text Size -+reset Obama announces gun plan Cruz to POLITICO: Assault weapons ban ?silly? Latest on POLITICO Solarz's lessons on democracy, security Democratic base demands compromise How to reform the filibuster Big test: Obama's climate vows At lunch, a taste of bipartisanship #Inaug2013: Taking a Twitter deep dive (PHOTOS: Gun rallies across U.S.) ?A lot of these people live in a world very different from the world lived in by the people proposing these things,? Clinton said. ?I know because I come from this world." Clinton dedicated a substantial portion of his 40-minute address before a joint meeting of the Obama National Finance Committee and a group of business leaders to the issue of guns and gun control, saying that it was a test-case for President Barack Obama?s grass-roots movements. (POLITICO was given a transferable ticket by an invited member of the committee.) ?The way the Obama campaign won Florida, won Ohio, won this election by more than projected was the combination of technology, social media and personal contact,? Clinton said. That?s ?the only way that our side will ever be able to even up the votes in the midterms and as these issues come up, really touch people and talk to them about it.? (PHOTOS: Politicians speak out on gun control) Obama begins his second term facing an uphill battle on gun control ? an emotional, divisive and difficult issue that the cool and pragmatic Obama would usually avoid. Obama took 23 executive actions this week to curb gun violence, but his key proposals will need a vote from Congress to become law. With a GOP House unlikely to take up any new gun control measures ? and even some Democrats expressing wariness ? his only recourse is to make his case directly to the public. Clinton said that Republicans have been struggling in presidential politics since 1992 ? noting that 2004 was the only time a Republican has won the popular vote in more than 20 years. But, he said, the party has been successful in energizing its supporters for midterm elections. ?You have the power to really democratize America,? Clinton said. ?You can do it on immigration reform, you can do it on these economic issues. You can do it on implementing the health care bill.? But, Clinton warned, the issue of guns has a special emotional resonance in many rural states ? and simply dismissing pro-gun arguments is counterproductive. (PHOTOS: Will these guns be banned again?) While some polls show that the public by-and-large supports several proposals for increased gun control, Clinton said that it?s not the public support that matters ? it?s how strongly people feel about the issue. ?All these polls that you see saying the public is for us on all these issues ? they are meaningless if they?re not voting issues,? Clinton said. Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01 ... -86443.html#ixzz2IfcTvU2C
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I remember way back in 7th or 8th grade, a kid brought in a small bullet collection of different types and calibers. It got passed around the classroom as every checked it out.
No lock-down No freak out Nobody hurt Of course, this was about 30 years ago in suburban NJ... Times have changed.
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I think we should arrest, and charge said bullet and put it on trial. There should be a law on bullets trespassing on public schools. God knows(or God should know) this bullet might one day kill a human being, so let's disassemble it now before something bad happens. LOL
 All kidding aside, ammo is pretty much harmless by itself, unless set afire where it will cook off and while burning gets on your skin or eyes. What makes it lethal is the pressure generated inside a the barrel's chamber that gives the projectile it's velocity. Quote:
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A live, 9mm bullet was found yesterday afternoon in a classroom inside a Downtown Jersey City school, officials said.
The bullet was found in Frank Conwell Middle School 4 on Bright Street and the principal turned it over to responding police officers, police said. Officials did not know where the bullet came from and no one has been charged in connection to the bullet, nor has any student been suspended, police said.
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The poster might have a reason but it certainly isn't a rational one consistent with other opinions they hold... I'd love to hear it though...
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No but I've heard its a great place. I typically drive out to one of the WMAs out in hunterdon county or up to Thunder Mountain (expensive and far but they rent and a lot of my friends like shooting trap but dont own).
I'd be happy to join along next time (after this weekend) you go out to the club and check it out. Message me your number if you are down. Quote:
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I'm a member of the North Jersey Clay Target Club at Fairfield - do you shoot there?
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Here's a thoughtful article (from the Socialist Worker no less) that in my view, really addresses the issue:
http://socialistworker.org/2013/01/17/sticking-to-their-glocks my favorite excerpt: about NYC In the country's most appallingly unequal city, gun control is daily enforced by unconstitutional search and seizures by heavily armed Good Guy police using little evidence beyond the skin color of the suspected Bad Guys. Every case of racial profiling has the potential to end violently--as one did last February, for example, when Officer Richard Haste followed unarmed 18-year-old Ramarley Graham into his apartment and fatally shot him in his own bathroom. if you're too lazy to cut/paste: Sticking to their Glocks Our whole society--not just the wing nuts--celebrates the "Good Guys with Guns." January 17, 2013 NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre ANYBODY STILL hoping for a sensitive and serious national debate in the wake of the Newtown elementary school shootings probably hasn't heard that January 19 is Gun Appreciation Day. Is it just me, or does it seem early this year? I've barely recovered from New Year's, and it's already time for making homemade, hollow-tipped ammo and gathering around the family firearm for carols (my personal favorite is "There's Nothing Semi-Automatic About Our Love"). Actually, Gun Appreciation Day is a right-wing media stunt to protest the new momentum for gun control laws that has followed Adam Lanza's massacre in Newtown with a semiautomatic Bushmaster XM-15 rifle. And Wade Michael Page's rampage in a Sikh temple with a Springfield Armory XD(M) 9mm semiautomatic pistol. And James Holmes' movie theater shooting spree with a Remington 870 pump-action 12-gauge shotgun, Smith & Wesson M&P15 semiautomatic rifle and Glock .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol. Sorry to bore you with technical details, but it is almost Gun Appreciation Day. Reporters have noted the day's provocative timing: two days before Barack Obama's inauguration. It's also two days before Martin Luther King Day, which makes you wonder if gun worshippers want to create an annual alternative holiday for those who don't believe in peace and racial harmony. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - WE'VE KNOWN that the National Rifle Association (NRA) wasn't going to back down an inch since December when the group's spokesperson Wayne LaPierre called for armed guards to be placed in every school. LaPierre's memorable slogan--"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"--perfectly summarized the NRA's breathtakingly simple common sense: -- Bad Guys don't obey laws because they are Bad Guys. -- Therefore, Good Guys shouldn't obey laws either. Who knew that the very principle of civilization could be philosophically demolished in two easy steps? "Good Guys with Guns" is a one-size-fits-all argument against any conceivable limitation on personal ownership of weaponry, from assault rifles and high-capacity ammo clips to--presumably in the coming years--dirty bombs and personal drones. The Second Amendment protects my right to bear unmanned aerial vehicles! It's also a key element of the ultra-individualist world view promoted by those billionaire libertarians and major NRA donors Charles and David Koch, who seem to think that Adam Smith's phrase "the invisible hand of the market" was not a metaphor but a cleverly obscure call for concealed weapons. For most of us, neatly dividing humanity into two groups seems a little sketchy, especially when the dividers seem to have color-coded the categories. In other words, trigger-happy racists should be the last people allowed to pick the teams in the Morality Bowl. Gun enthusiasts typically describe Bad Guys as coming in two flavors: criminal and crazy, which happens to be a decent summary of some prominent NRA leaders. Take the modern organization's founder, Harlon Carter, who was convicted in his youth for murdering a 15-year old Chicano boy who loitered too close to Carter's home in rural Texas. Carter only got off when the conviction was overturned on the dubious grounds of self-defense--foreshadowing today's "Stand Your Ground" laws, like the one in Florida that George Zimmerman claims gave him the right to kill Trayvon Martin. The NRA is a major backer of "Stand Your Ground" and similar laws that seek to protect Good Guy murderers like Carter and Zimmerman. Then there's Wayne LaPierre himself, whose speech after the Newtown massacre was a call to arms against crazed gunmen that sounded a lot like the paranoid manifesto of a crazed gunman: The truth is that our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters--people so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can possibly ever comprehend them. They walk among us every day...So now, due to a declining willingness to prosecute dangerous criminals, violent crime is increasing again for the first time in 19 years! Add another hurricane, terrorist attack or some other natural or man-made disaster, and you've got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization. Note to Wayne's friends: Don't take him to a teen zombie movie. He probably won't catch the irony. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - CRAZY AS he is, we all know that LaPierre has tremendous influence in the Republican Party. Just last month, in fact, some wing nut senator introduced the "Save Our Schools Act" to deploy the National Guard to schools. Oh wait, that was no fringe Tea Partier. It was Barbara Boxer, liberal Democrat of California, proposing to send troops trained for night raids in Kandahar to kick in lockers in Kansas. So why hasn't Boxer been receiving a fraction of the scorn progressives have been dumping on the NRA? One reason is the usual partisan hypocrisy of those whose own definitions of Good Guys and Bad Guys are based solely on the capital D or R next to their names. More important, however, is the fact that many progressives who support limits on guns change their tune completely if those guns are carried by soldiers, police officers or any government agency allegedly serving the public good. At a time when American society has never been more militarized and patrolled, this leaves a gaping hole in the national discussion of weapons and violence. Consider that 2012, the year that saw mass shootings in Colorado, Wisconsin and Connecticut, also saw a celebration of "the greatest manhunt in history," as the posters for Katherine Bigelow's movie Zero Dark Thirty described the assassination of Osama bin Laden. Liberal commentators gushed over the realism of Bigelow's war-nography, just as they cheered every speaker who shouted "Bin Laden is dead" at the Democratic National Convention last summer. Perhaps these 18 months of worship for Seal Team Six has made it hard for progressives to consider a simple question in the wake of the Newtown shooting: Who exactly was Adam Lanza dressing up like on that December morning when he put on an all-black uniform? We know one thing: it wasn't Wayne LaPierre. That guy may talk like Johnny Rambo, but he looks more like John Denver. I don't blame the NRA for the low level of debate for the same reason I don't blame my toddler for not changing our lightbulbs. The fault lies with those who are capable of more serious thinking, but who choose to ignore our society's round-the-clock celebration of Good Guys with Guns, and instead focus solely on gun prohibition. It's easy for liberal bloggers to swap stories of paranoid fanatics in the heartland who stock arsenals to protect themselves from the hordes of criminals and crazies. It would be more productive to think about how this phenomenon is related to the hysteria in recent decades against "homegrown terrorists," "wilding gangbangers," "criminal aliens," "looters," "violent anarchists," "grown-up crack babies" and on and on. In each of these panics created by our Wars on Drugs and on Terror, respectable and powerful people in both parties argue something very similar to the NRA. -- Bad Guys don't obey laws because they are Bad Guys. -- Therefore, the state shouldn't have to obey its own laws either. After Newtown, New York Times columnist Joe Nocera mocked the gun lobby's "absurd" argument that "instead of tightening gun laws, we should go in the other direction, and start packing heat. That way, you see, we can mow down the bad guy before he gets us." Nocera could have used (but didn't) almost the same words to describe the national response to the September 11 attacks: Instead of using international law to prosecute Osama bin Laden, we went in the other direction and started launching wars. That way you see, we could "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - LEFTISTS LIKE myself traditionally oppose gun control because, even though we have much more in common with people who oppose gun violence than those who seem to celebrate it, it nevertheless doesn't seem like a great idea to leave all the guns in the hands of the state--and besides, we really do believe in all that right to self-defense stuff the NRA makes such a mockery of. But the United States of 2013 is a country with a vast arsenal and surveillance apparatus. Let's face it: the revolution won't be purchased in the sporting goods department of Wal-Mart. So it doesn't make sense to oppose gun control chiefly on the basis of any future armed rebellion. On the other hand, if you want to understand why it's equally foolish to expect gun control laws to have a real impact on gun violence in society, look no further than the domain of the NRA's arch-nemesis, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg. In the country's most appallingly unequal city, gun control is daily enforced by unconstitutional search and seizures by heavily armed Good Guy police using little evidence beyond the skin color of the suspected Bad Guys. Every case of racial profiling has the potential to end violently--as one did last February, for example, when Officer Richard Haste followed unarmed 18-year-old Ramarley Graham into his apartment and fatally shot him in his own bathroom. Michael Bloomberg hasn't spoken out once against this type of gun violence, and nobody expects him to. Every police department in the country operates under its own personal "Stand Your Ground" law, and always has. I realize a neither-for-it-nor-against-it stance on gun control doesn't satisfy that urgent feeling we all had after Newtown that something must be done. But let's drop the pretense that any of the proposed legislation has a good chance of stopping the next shooting. Obama's proposed restrictions on assault rifles and ammo are very limited, which is just as well, because prohibition has a pretty awful track record. Furthermore, because the government shares much of the NRA's assumptions about Good Guys and Bad Guys, all signs are that the gun controllers under any new laws will be focusing, as the New York Times put it, "on ways to keep more commonly used firearms out of the hands of dangerous criminals and people with mental illness." An accompanying article in the Times that same day quoted a doctor who has researched mass shootings about why this is the wrong approach: "Most mass murders are done by working-class men who've been jilted, fired or otherwise humiliated--and who then undergo a crisis of rage and get out one of the 300 million guns in our country and do their thing." Thus, the main effect of gun control legislation will be a symbolic statement against violence, and a shallow one at that. If you want to do something that can prevent future gun violence, how about joining the family of Ramarley Graham in pushing for Officer Richard Haste to be convicted of murder? That would put one particular group of repeat violent offenders on notice that they'll be held accountable. And it might help in creating a culture where it's impossible for anyone to think that they're part of the Good Guys with Guns.
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I won't look down on you, but I hate you if you own a gun (They are two different things).
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Would you also like to know why the sky is plaid? Since you brought up the subject, can you explain why many Americans have a greater fear of our government?s potential to become violently oppressive than of heart disease, infection, or cancer?
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I bought a both a shotgun and a handgun from them. They are VERY nice people to deal with. I highly recommend the store.
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Re: The futility of gun control
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Agreed. I think the insurance companies can fill the gap where legislation has failed. Responsible gun buyers and sellers won't have a problem with this. Irresponsible ones will get hit hard in their pocket.
Posted on: 2013/1/17 16:26
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