maybeMoving wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen a traffic jam on the stretch of Newark they're planning on closing down.

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Fomite wrote:
Exactly!
People are so against change they don't want to try it out. I hate that this city seems to cater to the few who are always complaining, and apparently never at work.

This is how life works. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, God helps those that help themselves, etc.

The meetings are held at 6pm, while some may not be able to attend due to work, I'm sure the vast majority of complainers here could make the time to attend if this was so important to them.

Fomite wrote:
Exactly!
People are so against change they don't want to try it out. I hate that this city seems to cater to the few who are always complaining, and apparently never at work.

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Fomite wrote:
I agree with JCMan8, but hopefully it's just a matter of time until Newark becomes a pedestrian plaza. JC has changed, for every 1 person that drives down Newark there are 100 (or more!) that shop, stroll, and spend money on foot.

Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer a pedestrian plaza as well. But I don't care enough about it to show up at a meeting.

However, if I cared even half as much as some of the folks here, you better believe I'd be at the meeting and make my opinion heard. It's baffling to me how some people bitch and moan endlessly yet don't bother to show up or take any actions in real life to further their goal. What do you expect will happen?

Fomite wrote:
I agree with JCMan8, but hopefully it's just a matter of time until Newark becomes a pedestrian plaza. JC has changed, for every 1 person that drives down Newark there are 100 (or more!) that shop, stroll, and spend money on foot.

JCMan8 wrote:

I will repeat: the folks in opposition showed up in force at the meeting. But the people who want this project merely bitched and continue to bitch on this message board.

You shouldn't be surprised at the outcome.

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Yvonne wrote:
So I guess we will continue to ignore the traffic jam that happens every day on Newark Avenue, even when the street is open. We will ignore the evidence because it doesn't suit our theory. We will ignore the constant traffic jam from Newark Avenue on Jersey Avenue down to the Medical Center and pretend that doesn't happen too. We will not request a traffic study because it might tell us things we don't want to hear. We will continue to live in ignorance because it suits our theory.

I don't think I've ever seen a traffic jam on the stretch of Newark they're planning on closing down. I can cross mid-block just about any time during rush hour on Newark between Barrow and Grove without even needing to wait.

You have a very skewed perspective of what constitutes overcrowding on roads, PATH trains, development, etc. Many of us new residents came here from across the river and JC seems downright relaxing even compared to Brooklyn.

While other cities are striving to move away from autocentric development you and a few other old timers are busy shaking your canes at town hall meetings over parking spaces and ensuring that you can forever drive easily around the densest parts of downtown.

Congratulations on your "victory" of preserving DTJC for the myopic old guard.

Yvonne wrote:
So I guess we will continue to ignore the traffic jam that happens every day on Newark Avenue, even when the street is open. We will ignore the evidence because it doesn't suit our theory. We will ignore the constant traffic jam from Newark Avenue on Jersey Avenue down to the Medical Center and pretend that doesn't happen too. We will not request a traffic study because it might tell us things we don't want to hear. We will continue to live in ignorance because it suits our theory.

Yvonne wrote:

We will continue to live in ignorance because it suits our theory.

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Yvonne wrote:

I find it amazing that people who don't get what they want call the opposing view insular, narrow-minded, and obstructive. If the city wanted to do a traffic study, they are the ones in charge, they choose not to because it would raise more questions. It is obvious dtjcview, you have a vested interest in having Newark Avenue closed, the reason for your negative remarks.

This is ridiculous. If the city commissioned a traffic study, you would be complaining that Fulop was wasting money. The ordinance calls for a trial period before being permanently enacted, which I think is a sufficient alternative. You and the other guy saying you've been here 40 years and knowing that "the traffic gets real bad" does not constitute sufficient evidence for throwing the whole plan in the garbage. I will admit to having a vested interest in the plan. I live and work in Downtown. I own property in Downtown. I do 99% of my shopping, eating, and drinking Downtown, and I think the plan will increase the quality of life here.

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SteveWilson29 wrote:
I didn't think you had a traffic study. Which streets will they use? Where will they be going? How will morning traffic differ from afternoon?

I know you just speak out of your rear on everything, but as a resident over 40 years I know Yvonne is right. If you know downtown, all you have to see is one block closed for 5 hrs, and the traffic gets real bad. With the number of people who will not be aware of this, that will create traffic jams and streets being clogged. I don't think you need a PDF or any study to see what will happen, it takes common sense and maybe 40 years of watching these things repeat itself.

Sorry Poncho. Steve shoots from the hip. But he's open-minded and knows what he doesn't know. You and Yvonne come across as narrow-minded, insular, obstructive people, that fail to recognize you have limitations, prejudices and are not infallible. Wake please to your own pride and limitations. Who knows? You might be wrong.

hero69 wrote:
people said that closing art of the pulaski highway would create a nightmare -. it didn't happen! some people thought armagedon would happen when they had to close part of the 405 ( a major artery in los angeles) - it didn't happen!

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SteveWilson29 wrote:
I didn't think you had a traffic study. Which streets will they use? Where will they be going? How will morning traffic differ from afternoon?

I know you just speak out of your rear on everything, but as a resident over 40 years I know Yvonne is right. If you know downtown, all you have to see is one block closed for 5 hrs, and the traffic gets real bad. With the number of people who will not be aware of this, that will create traffic jams and streets being clogged. I don't think you need a PDF or any study to see what will happen, it takes common sense and maybe 40 years of watching these things repeat itself.

Sorry Poncho. Steve shoots from the hip. But he's open-minded and knows what he doesn't know. You and Yvonne come across as narrow-minded, insular, obstructive people, that fail to recognize you have limitations, prejudices and are not infallible. Wake please to your own pride and limitations. Who knows? You might be wrong.

I find it amazing that people who don't get what they want call the opposing view insular, narrow-minded, and obstructive. If the city wanted to do a traffic study, they are the ones in charge, they choose not to because it would raise more questions. It is obvious dtjcview, you have a vested interest in having Newark Avenue closed, the reason for your negative remarks.

Yvonne wrote:

I find it amazing that people who don't get what they want call the opposing view insular, narrow-minded, and obstructive. If the city wanted to do a traffic study, they are the ones in charge, they choose not to because it would raise more questions. It is obvious dtjcview, you have a vested interest in having Newark Avenue closed, the reason for your negative remarks.

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SteveWilson29 wrote:
I didn't think you had a traffic study. Which streets will they use? Where will they be going? How will morning traffic differ from afternoon?

I know you just speak out of your rear on everything, but as a resident over 40 years I know Yvonne is right. If you know downtown, all you have to see is one block closed for 5 hrs, and the traffic gets real bad. With the number of people who will not be aware of this, that will create traffic jams and streets being clogged. I don't think you need a PDF or any study to see what will happen, it takes common sense and maybe 40 years of watching these things repeat itself.

Sorry Poncho. Steve shoots from the hip. But he's open-minded and knows what he doesn't know. You and Yvonne come across as narrow-minded, insular, obstructive people, that fail to recognize you have limitations, prejudices and are not infallible. Wake please to your own pride and limitations. Who knows? You might be wrong.

Poncho11 wrote:
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SteveWilson29 wrote:
I didn't think you had a traffic study. Which streets will they use? Where will they be going? How will morning traffic differ from afternoon?

I know you just speak out of your rear on everything, but as a resident over 40 years I know Yvonne is right. If you know downtown, all you have to see is one block closed for 5 hrs, and the traffic gets real bad. With the number of people who will not be aware of this, that will create traffic jams and streets being clogged. I don't think you need a PDF or any study to see what will happen, it takes common sense and maybe 40 years of watching these things repeat itself.

SteveWilson29 wrote:
I didn't think you had a traffic study. Which streets will they use? Where will they be going? How will morning traffic differ from afternoon?

Yvonne wrote:
If and when the city closes Newark Avenue, motorist will take short cuts into the Van Vorst neighborhood to avoid the traffic pileup. That traffic will be bumping into the Holland Traffic "shortcut" traffic.