hero69 wrote:
People so easily scream cut this and cut that. I think what is truly needed is a more rational approach by the state to revenue raising. Why is NJ' sales tax, gas txa and cigarette tax so much lower than NY's.

I don't think it is as easy as people say to trim state and municipal workforce. I think we need more teachers, firemen and ploce officers

ihatethiscity wrote:
We need a goverment who isn't affraid to make the tough decisions, the kind of decisions that have to be made in the real world in real business'. IF YOU DON"T HAVE THE MONEY, DON"T SPEND IT. You can't just keep putting it on the backs of citizens....especially now that the money train won't be running from Trenton anytime soon.

melhayes wrote:
Is there a person or group organizing the rally? We'd like to run something in the paper, but I need a little more information.

mhayes@jjournal.com
201-217-2419

Thanks!

melhayes wrote:
Is there a person or group organizing the rally? We'd like to run something in the paper, but I need a little more information.

mhayes@jjournal.com
201-217-2419

Thanks!

JRL wrote:
We should also write to the Jersey Journal to get the word out towards a protest at City Hall at the next council meeting. We would need to pack City Hall Chambers, other wise the council will just laugh at residents and lack of support against them.

Yvonne wrote:
I don't know if you are joking or if you have a weird humor. Our taxes are higher because former Mayor Schundler did privatize our services. An example is the water department. Under city control it made $1 to $2 million in profit after expenses were paid. Schundler privatized the system and our bills went through the roof. Unlike Jersey City, United Water is in business to make a profit. Let me give you an example of how much our water bills have increase. In the 1990's before United Water, I have work done in my house. My contractor discover I had a broken water pipe under my basement floor. With a leaking water pipe, I probably paid $300 per year. Water pipe fixed but now paying in the thousands. The rates go up 3.75% every year, not including 24% increase for sewage. The worse thing a government can do is privatized a service. The same thing happened in the county under the previous administration. The public is told of the benefits they will recieve but after the initial contract the services begin to increase. The county privatize the hospitals, then the contracts increase. Public officials only want to privatize services because they will now have a vendor to make public contributions.

West wrote:
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We should start planning for it now.

We need to get the word out. I can flyer the houses on my block.

Is it too late to get on the agenda for the next meeting?

Any other ideas how people can mobilize?

TAX PROTEST JANUARY 27, 2010 CITY HALL

ianmac47 wrote:
Its insane to think that a $1,000,000+ brownstone with an assessed tax value of 1/3 or less of that shouldn't be paying more in property taxes. Suburban homeowners with homes worth less than half that often pay $20,000+. And that is why the city is falling apart; the tax revenue is not high enough to pay for the services everyone wants. Its easy and fun to point to cronyism as the root of the city's financial trouble, but paving streets costs money, painting crosswalks costs money, hiring an extra beat officer costs money. Downtown properties paying taxes on an assessment from 1988 are not paying their proportionate share of the tax burden.

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JRL wrote:
I commented the enclosed the other day, I see people talk about riot on City Hall..well let's stop talking about it and everyone show up at the next city council meeting, march in City Hall Chambers, protest, riot, revolt, start a REVOLUTION, whatever it takes...and not just one time, show up meeting after meeting until Team Healy can't take it anymore.
They are too comfortable F***ing the residents of Jersey City over..Let's make them uncomfortable and wish they never re-elected.

Look what Hoboken did, the made Camarrano so uncomfortable they drove him out of office.

While posting out here is great, it is in person a very loud statement needs to be made over and over again. Then we can realize Healy's.. Change You can see..so let's change it..Healy, Vega, Gaughan, Richardson, Brennan, Flood,Sottolano, Lopez..all got to go.

We should start planning for it now.

We need to get the word out. I can flyer the houses on my block.

Is it too late to get on the agenda for the next meeting?

Any other ideas how people can mobilize?

TAX PROTEST JANUARY 27, 2010 CITY HALL

JRL wrote:
I commented the enclosed the other day, I see people talk about riot on City Hall..well let's stop talking about it and everyone show up at the next city council meeting, march in City Hall Chambers, protest, riot, revolt, start a REVOLUTION, whatever it takes...and not just one time, show up meeting after meeting until Team Healy can't take it anymore.
They are too comfortable F***ing the residents of Jersey City over..Let's make them uncomfortable and wish they never re-elected.

Look what Hoboken did, the made Camarrano so uncomfortable they drove him out of office.

While posting out here is great, it is in person a very loud statement needs to be made over and over again. Then we can realize Healy's.. Change You can see..so let's change it..Healy, Vega, Gaughan, Richardson, Brennan, Flood,Sottolano, Lopez..all got to go.

JRL wrote:
Amazing how pissed off everyone is. That's what people voted when they re-elected Team Healy...remember the campaign slogan. Change you can see...High Taxes, More Violent Crime...Some Change...So all of those that voted for Team Healy, I hope you are proud of yourselves.

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shakatah wrote:

Protest, riot or whatever to call attention to the issue but by doing so you are still trying to pressure the same elected officials who put us in this position. I prefer to go above the heads of people who continue to make decisions to take my money without asking and spend it wastefully.

Solution is a MASS TAX APPEAL EFFORT. Here you are appealing to the county tax board which forces the city to justify its assessment of your property. With recent real estate values there is not a better time to file a tax appeal if your property was assessed based on the real estate values of 2004, 2005, etc..

Since the city won't voluntarily spread the tax burden fairly, force it to do so.

Good suggestion.

I don't think we should lighten up from any direction, keep the pressure on everywhere.

A protest at the next City Council meeting. I believe, is essential to get things moving.

Can you or anyone explain or suggest how a mass tax appeal is executed?

Thanks.

ianmac47 wrote:
And that is why the city is falling apart; the tax revenue is not high enough to pay for the services everyone wants. Its easy and fun to point to cronyism as the root of the city's financial trouble, but paving streets costs money, painting crosswalks costs money, hiring an extra beat officer costs money. Downtown properties paying taxes on an assessment from 1988 are not paying their proportionate share of the tax burden.

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ianmac47 wrote:
After a revaluation, the tax rate will fall tremendously because of the increase in value over the last 22 years of all property in the city. However, the downtown property owners will likely see a much higher tax bill since property downtown has increased, proportionately, more than property in the rest of the city.

Not all downtown property owners will be hurt by a reval. Anyone that's recently bought a new or refurbished property downtown (ex tax-abated/PILOTed properties) should see their taxes go down. And I think there are a lot of those out there.

West wrote:
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shakatah wrote:

Protest, riot or whatever to call attention to the issue but by doing so you are still trying to pressure the same elected officials who put us in this position. I prefer to go above the heads of people who continue to make decisions to take my money without asking and spend it wastefully.

Solution is a MASS TAX APPEAL EFFORT. Here you are appealing to the county tax board which forces the city to justify its assessment of your property. With recent real estate values there is not a better time to file a tax appeal if your property was assessed based on the real estate values of 2004, 2005, etc..

Since the city won't voluntarily spread the tax burden fairly, force it to do so.

Good suggestion.

I don't think we should lighten up from any direction, keep the pressure on everywhere.

A protest at the next City Council meeting. I believe, is essential to get things moving.

Can you or anyone explain or suggest how a mass tax appeal is executed?

Thanks.

shakatah wrote:

Protest, riot or whatever to call attention to the issue but by doing so you are still trying to pressure the same elected officials who put us in this position. I prefer to go above the heads of people who continue to make decisions to take my money without asking and spend it wastefully.

Solution is a MASS TAX APPEAL EFFORT. Here you are appealing to the county tax board which forces the city to justify its assessment of your property. With recent real estate values there is not a better time to file a tax appeal if your property was assessed based on the real estate values of 2004, 2005, etc..

Since the city won't voluntarily spread the tax burden fairly, force it to do so.

ianmac47 wrote:
After a revaluation, the tax rate will fall tremendously because of the increase in value over the last 22 years of all property in the city. However, the downtown property owners will likely see a much higher tax bill since property downtown has increased, proportionately, more than property in the rest of the city.

heights wrote:
The tax rate should be uniform throughout the city if there is an increase in taxes there will be a drop in the tax rate to offset the increase. Most 3 family homes are have a tax market value at $175k if it triples I doubt the tax rate would triple if it did it would force home owners to resort to all bizzare options to generate tax revenue.

ianmac47 wrote:
After a revaluation, the tax rate will fall tremendously because of the increase in value over the last 22 years of all property in the city. However, the downtown property owners will likely see a much higher tax bill since property downtown has increased, proportionately, more than property in the rest of the city.

Yvonne wrote:
To T-Bird, the last revaluation was done in 1988 not 1947. Your statement is a joke, you will get off your abatement to allow your taxes to fall. Your statement does not make sense. No abated property will pay this increase and those properties did not pay the previous increases. More than $2 billion is off the regular tax rolls forcing the regular public to pick up the slack.

Yvonne wrote:
To T-Bird, the last revaluation was done in 1988 not 1947. Your statement is a joke, you will get off your abatement to allow your taxes to fall. Your statement does not make sense. No abated property will pay this increase and those properties did not pay the previous increases. More than $2 billion is off the regular tax rolls forcing the regular public to pick up the slack.