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Here is a link for tax incentives for historic preservation.
Here is a link for tools for historic preservation which includes applying to funds from the state.


Have you actually clicked on any of those links? They're of no use to the average homeowner who is looking for some relief in offsetting the cost of, say, replacing windows or a cornice or repointing bricks. The "tools" are basically aimed at spreading the gospel of preservation, such as helping communities draft ordinances, set up commissions and identify properties for landmarking. The tax credit is only for income-producing properties. Believe me, I searched high and low for tax credits and possible grants. None exist for the average homeowner. To add insult to injury, my historic window replacement actually cost me a tax credit. Those beautiful, Colonial Williamsburg-worthy windows didn't qualify for the energy efficiency tax credit because they weren't Energy Star rated. How f*cked up and unfair is that?

I would have more respect for preservationists if they at least acknowledged the financial burden of landmarking a building or neighborhood and expended some time and effort in finding/suggesting creative funding solutions, pushing for real tax credits, and working for guidelines that balance affordability with preserving the historic elements of a building. Instead, all their efforts are aimed at landmarking as many neighborhoods and buildings as possible, and then pushing for the strictest possible rules that in most cases drive up the cost of repairs and maintenance. In my experience, most preservationists who serve on HPCs are extremists who simply don't care about cost, and they have the luxury of being hardliners because they're not the ones writing the checks. Trying to reason with them to seek a compromise on cost grounds is like trying to reason with the Taliban or ISIS.

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Just as an addendum on the "Bergen Hill was historic district..." The *real* story is that the state used to control the designations. In this case, Bergen Hill was preserved. However, the city decided to take over the designations of the areas and this is where things got funny. Instead of maintaining the designation and preserving the homes that existed, complete morons decided that it would be a good idea to not give it the city designation which meant that it had no protection.

The designation was never "removed" from Bergen Hill as it pertains to Jersey City. Jersey City just chose to not extend the status with protections from the city after overtaking the designations from the state.

I'm sure that there were people which were suckered in by the fear mongering caused by those claiming that costs would go through the roof on repairs. This is quite a shame though as it could have saved the area from some the absolute shambolic constructions that have popped up.

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There is nothing more pathetic than having an argument built on lies and falsehoods and the repeating it when wrong. The repair costs for these people will not go up. In fact they'll be able to apply for grants and get free money towards repairs.


True. But you are doing the same thing to push your side of the argument as well. As someone who has actually owned historic, I can tell you for a fact that repair and replacement costs will indeed go up. Significantly. For window replacement alone, the difference was nearly $600 per window. Grants and free money towards repairs? From where? I have NEVER heard of any such assistance program for owners of historic homes. If so, please enlighten us. Where do they apply? You don't even get a break on your property taxes. The fact is there are an abundance of "historic" properties throughout this country that merit saving but are crumbling due to the lack of funds, public or private. Case in point: the old Greystone Park asylum. Saving old buildings ain't cheap. And quite frankly, it's money I'd rather spend on health care or education.

Here is a link for tax incentives for historic preservation.
Here is a link for tools for historic preservation which includes applying to funds from the state.

Greystone is definitely a shame. Occasionally, I play soccer in the new parks built in front of the buildings. The problem with that building is its history. In theory, it could be turned into housing or offices, etc. However, due to our overly religious society, people are paranoid about it.

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A West Side community group and synagogue are at odds after the temple demolished one of its properties last week that was in the city's newest historic district.

Temple Beth-El, a reform synagogue located on Kennedy Boulevard between Harrison and Bentley avenues, tore down its 110-year-old Samuel Berman House as a means to cut costs, upsetting residents who thought the building could have been preserved.

"It could have been a place where we had community meetings," Bentley Avenue resident David Gibson said. "They never made it available."

The temple acquired the dilapidated building, known to locals as The Rabbi House, in the 1950s and has since paid for its upkeep and utilities, said Temple Beth-El president Kay Magilavy. It was used for religious classes and once served as the home for a caretaker, but the worsening conditions caused the temple to vacate the building completely.

Magilavy added that the synagogue continued to pay "high utility bills to keep building in shape" despite lead paint and asbestos problems.

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There is nothing more pathetic than having an argument built on lies and falsehoods and the repeating it when wrong. The repair costs for these people will not go up. In fact they'll be able to apply for grants and get free money towards repairs.


True. But you are doing the same thing to push your side of the argument as well. As someone who has actually owned historic, I can tell you for a fact that repair and replacement costs will indeed go up. Significantly. For window replacement alone, the difference was nearly $600 per window. Grants and free money towards repairs? From where? I have NEVER heard of any such assistance program for owners of historic homes. If so, please enlighten us. Where do they apply? You don't even get a break on your property taxes. The fact is there are an abundance of "historic" properties throughout this country that merit saving but are crumbling due to the lack of funds, public or private. Case in point: the old Greystone Park asylum. Saving old buildings ain't cheap. And quite frankly, it's money I'd rather spend on health care or education.

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There is nothing more pathetic than having an argument built on lies and falsehoods and the repeating it when wrong. The repair costs for these people will not go up. In fact they'll be able to apply for grants and get free money towards repairs.


What is false in my statement and what money? If you mean the Community Block grant, what a shame. Non-for-profits use those grants. The city is supposed to give to homeowners grants that in the past that went to the homeless groups or the York Street project? I know Charlene Burke spoke in the caucus and mentioned the senior tax freeze could help some residents. I don't know how receiving back $300 in the senior tax freeze would pay for architectural drawings that might go in the thousands. Why wasn't this money you proposed used downtown?

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There is nothing more pathetic than having an argument built on lies and falsehoods and the repeating it when wrong. The repair costs for these people will not go up. In fact they'll be able to apply for grants and get free money towards repairs.

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People forget that Bergen Hill was a historic district the same time downtown communities became a historic district. They did not want this and was successful in having this removed years later. Even, Coleman, who is in favor of this administration admitted she received phone calls and emails from people both in Wards B and her Ward F against the historic district. If the city wanted the people's input, the city should have allowed a vote this coming November. The reason some people have questions on this historic district, the guidelines were not presented to the homeowners before the council vote. That is like purchasing a house and then discovering the price tag. This administration said it is for transparency, where is this transparency?

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82 residents in the district signed a petition against the district. That never came up during the public hearing. Dan, I just disagree with you about the numbers. I had to edit my video and I saw more outside district speak for the district than inside the district.
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Really, 82 out of 500 properties and what, at least 3000 to 5000 residents?

You literally made a million dollars in the VVP historic district, you have absolutely no shame.

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82 residents in the district signed a petition against the district. That never came up during the public hearing. Dan, I just disagree with you about the numbers. I had to edit my video and I saw more outside district speak for the district than inside the district.

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I agree that the city has neglected its history, and the new historic district will help reverse this neglect.

The statement that the majority of residents who spoke in favor of this district (creating the historic district) do not reside in this area is incorrect. Numerous speakers who reside in the proposed historic district (give or take on par with opponents) support it.

And easily a similar number of people that spoke opposed to historic designation did not reside in the proposed historic district like yourself.

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On June 10, 2015, the Jersey City council created a new historic district against the wishes of many of the residents who live there. The majority who spoke in favor of this district live outside the area. For those who think I am wrong, I suggest they look at the city's website to view more than five hours on this one subject or go to www.speaknj.com to see to see a 28-minute version.

Ironically, while the city is telling the residents in the West Bergen-East Lincoln Park Historic District that they must spend more dollars to restore their homes; the city has neglected its own history. Where is historic marker for the Village of Bergen? Where is the marker given by the Daughters of the American Revolution denoting the site now called Dickinson High school which played an important role in the War of 1812 as a hospital? It is the reason a cemetery is close by. Where is the plaque for Mercer Street that was called "Old Glory" due the number of young men who lost their lives in the world wars?

This new historic district will cause financial hardships as it did in the Downtown communities where many long-term residents were forced to leave, but the hypocrisy should be noted in that the city has yet to restore the Apple Tree House, a project that began in 1989 and is still not done.

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http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2 ... istrict.html#incart_river

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How fresh... As with almost every social gain that can be reduced to a redistribution of wealth or property, and which are often disguised as a "benefit to the whole community", there are always some like you (DanL) that advocate for these changes and "improvements" and yet the impact to you is nil. The hypocrisy is quite amusing.

I wonder how the residents of the rest of the ward, or neighborhoods surrounding the proposed historical district, would feel about this "gain for the whole community" if they were also required to pay a special "historic district support" levy or tax to assist owners of newly-minted historic properties with the expenses of meeting their newly-imposed requirements. Something tells me that many more would oppose the district. Of course, it's so much easier to spend someone else's money, or to play with the livelihood of others, when it doesn't affect you...


If you don't understand how this could benefit you and those living in the area, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe we should just knock down the Lincoln Memorial in DC and throw up a bunch of condos. How about we just remove the Washington Monument?

If you don't preserve history in some manner, you'll end up losing it and the significance of it.

None of this legislature is stating that they can't hang a TV on the wall or put a deck or pool in their yard. This has to do with curb appeal, something that real estate agents consistently talk about with any and everyone. Additionally, it protects homeowners in the area from being subjected to ugly and cheap development getting thrown up.


Your entire post was a strawman. I never said anything about understanding how this could be beneficial, or why preserving history is important, or what the designation entails.

It's total rubbish, too: of course I am for preserving history! That's hardly what's at stake here. Pretty funny you put these homes in the same footing as the Lincoln Memorial or the Washington Monument. Who are you trying to kid??

Tell me, do you really believe that owners in this newly designated historic district will NOT be facing extra expenses over time directly due to the designation? Do you think it is fair that the owners are now saddled with these extra expenses, which are for the "good of the community", but no one else is expected to help shoulder the expenses?

There is no strawman to compare historical homes to historical monuments. The scale at which they draw people to the area may be different however their impact is the same.

You have admitted that you are not a home-owner. As such, the perceived added cost isn't really that much. It's a fallacy to argue that there is some incredibly new cost getting thrown at an owner.

If the house I purchased was one with wood siding, I'd full well know that every few years I'd need to have it painted. Just as with the house I presently own, there are maintenance costs associated with it. These are the realities of home ownership. If you aren't prepared then you shouldn't be purchasing the house.

Additionally, there is a general understanding that a community good cost is not always shared evenly. Sure, it would be perfect if everyone chipped in, but that isn't always the case. However, and this is important, the state does have a fund for which individuals can apply for financial assistance in order to help with making the type of restoration repairs that would improve the curb appeal of a building.

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How fresh... As with almost every social gain that can be reduced to a redistribution of wealth or property, and which are often disguised as a "benefit to the whole community", there are always some like you (DanL) that advocate for these changes and "improvements" and yet the impact to you is nil. The hypocrisy is quite amusing.

I wonder how the residents of the rest of the ward, or neighborhoods surrounding the proposed historical district, would feel about this "gain for the whole community" if they were also required to pay a special "historic district support" levy or tax to assist owners of newly-minted historic properties with the expenses of meeting their newly-imposed requirements. Something tells me that many more would oppose the district. Of course, it's so much easier to spend someone else's money, or to play with the livelihood of others, when it doesn't affect you...


If you don't understand how this could benefit you and those living in the area, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe we should just knock down the Lincoln Memorial in DC and throw up a bunch of condos. How about we just remove the Washington Monument?

If you don't preserve history in some manner, you'll end up losing it and the significance of it.

None of this legislature is stating that they can't hang a TV on the wall or put a deck or pool in their yard. This has to do with curb appeal, something that real estate agents consistently talk about with any and everyone. Additionally, it protects homeowners in the area from being subjected to ugly and cheap development getting thrown up.


Your entire post was a strawman. I never said anything about understanding how this could be beneficial, or why preserving history is important, or what the designation entails.

It's total rubbish, too: of course I am for preserving history! That's hardly what's at stake here. Pretty funny you put these homes in the same footing as the Lincoln Memorial or the Washington Monument. Who are you trying to kid??

Tell me, do you really believe that owners in this newly designated historic district will NOT be facing extra expenses over time directly due to the designation? Do you think it is fair that the owners are now saddled with these extra expenses, which are for the "good of the community", but no one else is expected to help shoulder the expenses?

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How fresh... As with almost every social gain that can be reduced to a redistribution of wealth or property, and which are often disguised as a "benefit to the whole community", there are always some like you (DanL) that advocate for these changes and "improvements" and yet the impact to you is nil. The hypocrisy is quite amusing.

I wonder how the residents of the rest of the ward, or neighborhoods surrounding the proposed historical district, would feel about this "gain for the whole community" if they were also required to pay a special "historic district support" levy or tax to assist owners of newly-minted historic properties with the expenses of meeting their newly-imposed requirements. Something tells me that many more would oppose the district. Of course, it's so much easier to spend someone else's money, or to play with the livelihood of others, when it doesn't affect you...


If you don't understand how this could benefit you and those living in the area, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe we should just knock down the Lincoln Memorial in DC and throw up a bunch of condos. How about we just remove the Washington Monument?

If you don't preserve history in some manner, you'll end up losing it and the significance of it.

None of this legislature is stating that they can't hang a TV on the wall or put a deck or pool in their yard. This has to do with curb appeal, something that real estate agents consistently talk about with any and everyone. Additionally, it protects homeowners in the area from being subjected to ugly and cheap development getting thrown up.

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How fresh... As with almost every social gain that can be reduced to a redistribution of wealth or property, and which are often disguised as a "benefit to the whole community", there are always some like you (DanL) that advocate for these changes and "improvements" and yet the impact to you is nil. The hypocrisy is quite amusing.

I wonder how the residents of the rest of the ward, or neighborhoods surrounding the proposed historical district, would feel about this "gain for the whole community" if they were also required to pay a special "historic district support" levy or tax to assist owners of newly-minted historic properties with the expenses of meeting their newly-imposed requirements. Something tells me that many more would oppose the district. Of course, it's so much easier to spend someone else's money, or to play with the livelihood of others, when it doesn't affect you...

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Dan L, the speakers spoke for over 5 and one half hours. I try to include people who are not normal speakers at meetings. Yes, I did not include you and I did not include myself. Eventually, the entire video will be on the city's web site. If you have 5 and one half hours I suggest you watch the video and do a tally. I stand by my statements. Dan, you live in at the Hague condo, not a wood frame house. So the impact you is not the same as many of the speakers who live in the district and are against the ordinance.

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Sad times. This sort of maneuver seeks solely to turn a beige world more beige.

Freedom, under our great nation, is the ability to choose one's own life so long as it doesn't affect another. The color of your door, curvature of the window or type of railing doesn't affect anyone else.

Long live true freedom - where you can maintain your property without the neighborhood busybody weighing in on the color of your door. Where you can drive your Louis Vuitton (sp?) plastered car and while your neighbors may find it hideous, they can respect you for doing your own thing, to your own property and not affecting them in any material way.

Freedom. Eroding every day.



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actually, a majority of the 600 odd property owners did not express any opinion or attend the council meeting. of the 55 speakers, I conclude about half for and half against, there were probably more affirmative speakers from other historic districts than against and both sides of issue had other interested speakers that neither lived in the proposed area nor other districts (and there were at least 5 speakers that one could figure out whether they were for or against, or why they stayed to almost midnight to speak.)

the way I see it, one gives up some for the whole community to gain and there are substantial benefits related to zoning, but not directly related to historic preservation (as can always be the case with regs.)

not only do I believe that historic districts further bring communities together, but that neighborhood associations and the like can help/facilitate/educate dealings with the HPO or HPC.

the video below did not include myself or at least a half dozen other residents of the neighborhood that spoke effectively to the benefits and reason for adoption.







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2. i am a little disappointed because i read somewhere that establishment of this designation would double my home value overnight. well, i checked on zillow and that did not happen. something must be wrong.


Good luck with this. I think that this designation being forced upon 600 households is a crass government overreach, especially if a majority was against it. You will forever have to get approval from a little-Napoleon "historian" with regards to any exterior fixes or modifications to your home. Read through the threads here in JCLIST and you will find several dealing with the headaches of some Paulus Hook residents.

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"If we wish to have a future with greater meaning, we must concern ourselves...with the total heritage of the nation and all that is worth preserving from our past as a living part of the present." - Historic Preservation Act of 1966

There are lots of articles on why historic preservation is important; here is one that is thoughtful, well written, and speaks to everyone (not just preservationists like myself!) - http://www.metropulse.com/stories/fea ... cal-reasons#?cid=Facebook

And the design review aspect alone is valuable - you will never see one of these, one of the most hideous buildings I have ever seen - http://www.trulia.com/property/320555 ... ve-2-Jersey-City-NJ-07307

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2. i am a little disappointed because i read somewhere that establishment of this designation would double my home value overnight. well, i checked on zillow and that did not happen. something must be wrong.


Good luck with this. I think that this designation being forced upon 600 households is a crass government overreach, especially if a majority was against it. You will forever have to get approval from a little-Napoleon "historian" with regards to any exterior fixes or modifications to your home. Read through the threads here in JCLIST and you will find several dealing with the headaches of some Paulus Hook residents.

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1. i haven't the foggiest idea why someone who does not live here would care about this designation.

2. i am a little disappointed because i read somewhere that establishment of this designation would double my home value overnight. well, i checked on zillow and that did not happen. something must be wrong.

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That is fine, I would have thought you would give an apology. But no responding is second best.

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I will not respond to you on JClist Yvonne. Simple as that.

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I honestly thought you were a better man than this Joshua. Just ask your friends who also know my husband, which person is aggressive and hot temper? I doubt if any would say my husband is aggressive and hot temper. Just for the record, Angelo Estrada was with five other people who also saw the incident.

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Yvonne, I don't publicly air dirty laundry. I will just reiterate. Your husband came and confronted me, I did not confront him. I did not consider his actions an "assault" and did not feel threatened, though I thought it was rather silly that he made a "property" claim to a sign that he was nowhere near and that someone placed so it could get in front of the TV camera.

If you had really thought that this was an issue, you know very well you could have contacted me, and not posted it in a public forum. But this was not to get an apology, this was to smear.

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Joshua, I only saw the cop come to you and my husband. I did not see the beginning. I was told this by Councilman Rivera. He was upset when he saw this. Futhermore, Councilman Rivera said he spoke to you about this, he called this an assault. Today, I received a phone call from a former neighbor, Angelo Estrada, who lives in Van Vorst Park. He wanted to know the name of the person who cursed and was aggressive towards my husband. Either everyone is lying or you are. Anyone who know my husband considers him a kind and gentle person, very pleasant towards people. On the other hand, you have a hot temper. Joshua, you are probably in your 40s my husband is in his 70s. Your behavior is not acceptable. Everyone has a right to speak last night and everyone has a right to have a sign. You tore up his sign and place the papers under the bench. My husband replaced the torn sign and that is when you lost your temper. Just be a man, send apologies and I will drop the subject.

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Wrong again Yvonne. The opponents of the district thought they would be cute and put a large sign on the bench that the TV camera catches when the speaker is speaking. I took the sign away and went back to my seat. Your husband, who was sitting far away from the sign on the other side of the chambers, than ran across the chambers and started saying that that was "his property." He, laughably, came up to me, not the other way around. When he put another sign on the bench, I then put one of the pro district signs next to it, at which point he started freaking out again.

Maybe when you testified you should have told people what your property taxes were downtown during the "unaffordable" period of historic preservation. Also tell people what you sold your house for.

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(I also think it should just have been put to a vote, let the 600 homeowners vote..simple)

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"This is a landmark moment for Jersey City, as this will be the first historic district created in over 30 years and the first outside of Downtown," he said. "We are looking at relief measures for homeowners as well to make sure that all the current residents benefit and nobody gets left behind. This is a huge win for Jersey City."

I am a Fulop supporter but that is one bad statement for him to make in a city of 260,000 people the majority of which would need “relief measures” if a HD was forced on them. Also sad that the people who will get “left behind” are the ones who “held the fort” in the new HD during the darkest days of Jersey City.


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Don’t compare what went on in Downtown JC in the 70’s with what is being planned for the Lincoln Park area in 2015. DTJC was war zone in the 70’s with burned out buildings and empty lots all over the place. The HD was put in place to save the little that was left.The Lincoln Park area was never like that nor will be like that.

Also replacing 6 street facing windows and painting the front door and small roof line trim the right historical color on a DTJC brick/stone building is a lot different than replacing 20+ front and side windows, peak roof shingles , wood trim, wood siding shingles/clapboard, wood porch and rails on a Lincoln Park area wood frame house. BIG BUCKS!

Now I see how we ended up with the FOL controlling OUR Loews for 5 more long years.Also how the 42 story tower was approved in a quiet residential Journal Square neighborhood.Sad we have no say.


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Joshua, by the way, Councilman Rivera, told me you "chest bump" my husband over a sign, he said other council members saw this too. Other people told me you were cursing my husband after you tore up his sign. That action was inappropriate, shame on you, but returning to the subject I have the footage, it will take time to edit and I am standing by what I said. The majority of the people who were in favor of this lives outside of the district and the majority of the people who spoke against this lives in the district. As I said last night, the city could have place a non-bidding resolution on November election to allow the people in district decide for themselves. You, Joshua, who spoke for this district will not have to pay the higher fees imposed on them. As one woman said last night, she escaped Van Vorst Park due to the regulations and brought a building there. She asked the realtor if this was part of the historic district at purchase and the realtor said no. She also said if she knew this would have happened she would not purchase her home. Not every one wants to be in a historic district.

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