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I'm still waiting for Trump, republicans and Democrats to rage against this outrageous increase in drug prices from $1600 for generic in UK to $89,000 in the US by Marathon.


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mayne i should start a business of going to the uk, buying this stuff and bring back to the US?


Boy... Trump has been in office for only 4 weeks??? Seems like years, why just two weeks ago Trump did call in the Big Pharma CEOs and gave them fair warning to get their pricing together... Big Pharma is on the to-do-list.

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Referred to as being in a "death spiral" yesterday by a major insurance company ceo.
Young people are not signing up in significant numbers (since they're young and healthy or on their parents' policy until they're twenty-six).Also, the IRS is not going to enforce the law on the mandated penalty for those who don't sign up.


I am actually surprised that so many people are surprised that a ton of young people (and many not so young) chose to not sign up for ACA. Have people forgotten how young people think?? Very few are concerned with the possibility of medical issues, and for those faced with the choice of expensive medical insurance or a paltry penalty for ignoring the individual mandate provision, well... the math was simple.

I actually know people who have lost jobs and have purposely chosen NOT to sign up for an ACA plan because the individual mandate penalty was a pittance and they could save thousands by just paying the penalty. Even for 2016, the penalty is a paltry $695, which is about a month of coverage for some plans. Lots of people will roll the dice and do without the insurance. Obamacare never had a chance to succeed given how it was structured: the individual mandate penalty was too low, the restrictions on the insurance companies went against all logic and actuarial tables, and the end result was always going to be what we are seeing: insurance companies bailing on the markets, massive losses, and a system bound to implode.

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Referred to as being in a "death spiral" yesterday by a major insurance company ceo.
Young people are not signing up in significant numbers (since they're young and healthy or on their parents' policy until they're twenty-six).Also, the IRS is not going to enforce the law on the mandated penalty for those who don't sign up.

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I'm still waiting for Trump, republicans and Democrats to rage against this outrageous increase in drug prices from $1600 for generic in UK to $89,000 in the US by Marathon.


http://www.11alive.com/news/health/th ... n-89k-price-tag/407210610

mayne i should start a business of going to the uk, buying this stuff and bring back to the US?

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"UnitedHealth Group, the parent company, warned in November it was considering quitting most marketplaces because of escalating losses on the Obamacare plans. The company on Tuesday said it lost $475 million last year from the marketplace plans and was on target to lose $650 million in 2016."

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Could N.J. lose one of its Obamacare insurers?

By Kathleen O'Brien | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
on April 28, 2016 at 1:21 PM, updated April 28, 2016 at 1:23 PM

Insurance giant UnitedHealthcare roiled the political landscape recently when it revealed it will stop selling policies through the federal government website in all but "a handful" of states.

Such policies - in most cases heavily subsided - are a cornerstone of the Affordable Care Act, now in its third full year.

UnitedHealthCare has declined to say whether it will remain in New Jersey's ACA marketplace, where it operates under the name of a subsidiary, Oxford Health.

State insurance regulators in 26 other states have stated they've been notified by United that it will be pulling out of their marketplaces in 2017. Officials in New York, Nevada and Virginia say the company will be staying in their states.

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Paul Ryan has an idea for replacing Obamacare, and once you stop laughing I’ll tell you what it is

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I'm glad the Court decided the way it did. I do like the dissent's line about "interpretive jiggery pokery" though.

I'm just waiting for Scalia to call the President "Odumba" in one of his opinions.

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The Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that President Obama’s health care law may provide nationwide tax subsidies to help poor and middle-class people buy health insurance.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote the majority opinion in the 6-to-3 decision. The court’s three most conservative members — Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. — dissented.

The case concerned a central part of the Affordable Care Act, Mr. Obama’s signature legislative achievement. The law created marketplaces, known as exchanges, to allow people who lack insurance to shop for individual health plans.

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Some states set up their own exchanges, but about three dozen allowed the federal government to step in to run them. Across the nation, about 85 percent of customers using the exchanges qualify for subsidies to help pay for coverage, based on their income.

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Despite all the issues and complaints at the moment, I think history will look kindly on Obamacare, and whatever form it takes over time.

Regardless, what I find most interesting and fascinating about this Supreme Court is the way that Chief Justice Roberts is settling into his position and role. He seems to be a bit hard to predict, and I actually like that. I think it shows creative thinking and a willingness to set aside ideology in favor of jurisprudence. I do wonder how GWB feels about his pick, though.
you mean the supreme socialist court of the united states upheld obamacare subsidies for the poor?

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The Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that President Obama’s health care law may provide nationwide tax subsidies to help poor and middle-class people buy health insurance.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote the majority opinion in the 6-to-3 decision. The court’s three most conservative members — Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. — dissented.

The case concerned a central part of the Affordable Care Act, Mr. Obama’s signature legislative achievement. The law created marketplaces, known as exchanges, to allow people who lack insurance to shop for individual health plans.

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Some states set up their own exchanges, but about three dozen allowed the federal government to step in to run them. Across the nation, about 85 percent of customers using the exchanges qualify for subsidies to help pay for coverage, based on their income.

Continue reading the main story


Despite all the issues and complaints at the moment, I think history will look kindly on Obamacare, and whatever form it takes over time.

Regardless, what I find most interesting and fascinating about this Supreme Court is the way that Chief Justice Roberts is settling into his position and role. He seems to be a bit hard to predict, and I actually like that. I think it shows creative thinking and a willingness to set aside ideology in favor of jurisprudence. I do wonder how GWB feels about his pick, though.

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The Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that President Obama’s health care law may provide nationwide tax subsidies to help poor and middle-class people buy health insurance.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote the majority opinion in the 6-to-3 decision. The court’s three most conservative members — Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. — dissented.

The case concerned a central part of the Affordable Care Act, Mr. Obama’s signature legislative achievement. The law created marketplaces, known as exchanges, to allow people who lack insurance to shop for individual health plans.

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Some states set up their own exchanges, but about three dozen allowed the federal government to step in to run them. Across the nation, about 85 percent of customers using the exchanges qualify for subsidies to help pay for coverage, based on their income.

Continue reading the main story

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CSC switches employees to private health insurance exchange, and gets sued
Apr 9, 2015, 12:29pm EDT

Computer Sciences Corp. transitioned employees to a private health insurance exchange earlier this year — a move that has already spurred a lawsuit.

Computer Sciences Corp. transitioned employees to a private health insurance exchange that provides a fixed amount of money to put toward medical costs — a move that has already spurred a lawsuit.

The switch, which happened earlier this year, includes both active and retired employees, confirmed CSC spokesman Rich Adamonis.

http://www.bizjournals.com/washington ... -insurance.html?ana=yahoo

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@Boris - you're inventing stuff, attributing it to me, then arguing against it. Crazy.


Inventing?

As in - you didn't call Carepoint and "big pharma" a monopoly?

You didn't make general statement about how corporate plans are no better than obamacare based on just one fact that you liked obamacare more than your corporate insurance?



Boris. When you drop from words like "local", "probably", "low" and "earners" from phrases and sentences - and substitute other words - it changes the meaning. Perhaps those words are getting lost in translation between English-to-Russian and back. Perhaps you are simply blinded by wanting to argue a point. Whatever the cause you seem crazy to me. I don't see the point of trying to correct your English, never mind answer your points - given we're talking a different language.

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@Boris - you're inventing stuff, attributing it to me, then arguing against it. Crazy.


Inventing?

As in - you didn't call Carepoint and "big pharma" a monopoly?

You didn't make general statement about how corporate plans are no better than obamacare based on just one fact that you liked obamacare more than your corporate insurance?


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@Boris - you're inventing stuff, attributing it to me, then arguing against it. Crazy.

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@Boris - why would I bother doing a cost-benefit analysis across all corporate plans vs obamacare plans?


Are you asking me why would you bother to check the facts before you make a factual statement?

Is this a trick question?

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I'll leave that to nutters like you who want to score political points.


Hey, if I want to score quick political points by asking my opponent a simple question if he checked the facts before making a claim - why not?

It works, doesn't it?

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What I have done is look at my own corporate plan costs and benefits, and compared with the equivalent obamacare plans. And even without subsidies I'm pretty close to ditching the corporate plan in favor of a silver plan.


Yeah, so an honest claim in this case would be not "corporate plans are worse than obamacare", but "my corporate plan slightly worse than obamacare - for a person with my circumstances".

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It's forced standardization of plans making comparisons easier - and it's put a spotlight on the game of greed played out between insurers, local monopoly providers like Carepoint and big pharma - which has been more to blame imo for rising costs than obamacare.


If Carepoint is a monopoly, how come I'm not using it?
And when you say "big pharma", do you realize that this is not a name of one company who owns all pharmaceutical industry?

Also, could you remind me what was the promise about the costs that Obama made? How much was it going to save us per family?

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1. Re-read what I posted and draw your own inferences.
2. Re-read the date on the link and draw your own inferences.

Not getting drawn into your nit-picking agenda.


No, sorry, doesn't work this way. When you say "X is worse then Y for poor people" there is no way to logically deduce what are the criteria that you use for comparison. And there is no way to know if you talk of the present time or of the recent past - especially since comparing corporate insurances as they became now is not very honest, so I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.

In any case, I simply asked you to clarify what statements you were making.
If clarity is not something that you want, so be it.


Boris - most people have no trouble inferring:
1. Cost given a silver plan baseline assumption for comparison. And "probably worse" isn't necessarily worse.
2. 2014 given that was the date on the corporate stats I posted.
My main point was corporate plans are far from being platinum - not whether obamacare sucks - which is what you are attempting to argue.


I prefer not to publish my inferences.

For example I suspected that you did no cost/benefit analysis, and the word "worse" meant only "more expensive". I suspected that even that "cost" analysis you didn't base on facts, but it was just a guess. Finally, I suspected that when you claimed that corporate plans are no better than obamcare - you, in fact, meant "corporate plans as they became after oabamacare took it''s toll on them"

I inferred it all quite correctly, but I didn't want to claim it without proof.
Now that you confirmed it all, well, that's that.

t doesn't take a genius to realize that corporae health care plans were getting stingier, well before obamacare. corporations might blame obamacare, but the reality is that they ave been shifting costs onto employees and i don't blame them. i don't see why cororations inherently need to provide healthcare


@Hero - agree

@Boris - why would I bother doing a cost-benefit analysis across all corporate plans vs obamacare plans? I'll leave that to nutters like you who want to score political points. What I have done is look at my own corporate plan costs and benefits, and compared with the equivalent obamacare plans. And even without subsidies I'm pretty close to ditching the corporate plan in favor of a silver plan. Whatever else you think of obamacare, it's forced standardization of plans making comparisons easier - and it's put a spotlight on the game of greed played out between insurers, local monopoly providers like Carepoint and big pharma - which has been more to blame imo for rising costs than obamacare.

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1. Re-read what I posted and draw your own inferences.
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Not getting drawn into your nit-picking agenda.


No, sorry, doesn't work this way. When you say "X is worse then Y for poor people" there is no way to logically deduce what are the criteria that you use for comparison. And there is no way to know if you talk of the present time or of the recent past - especially since comparing corporate insurances as they became now is not very honest, so I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.

In any case, I simply asked you to clarify what statements you were making.
If clarity is not something that you want, so be it.


Boris - most people have no trouble inferring:
1. Cost given a silver plan baseline assumption for comparison. And "probably worse" isn't necessarily worse.
2. 2014 given that was the date on the corporate stats I posted.
My main point was corporate plans are far from being platinum - not whether obamacare sucks - which is what you are attempting to argue.


I prefer not to publish my inferences.

For example I suspected that you did no cost/benefit analysis, and the word "worse" meant only "more expensive". I suspected that even that "cost" analysis you didn't base on facts, but it was just a guess. Finally, I suspected that when you claimed that corporate plans are no better than obamcare - you, in fact, meant "corporate plans as they became after oabamacare took it''s toll on them"

I inferred it all quite correctly, but I didn't want to claim it without proof.
Now that you confirmed it all, well, that's that.

t doesn't take a genius to realize that corporae health care plans were getting stingier, well before obamacare. corporations might blame obamacare, but the reality is that they ave been shifting costs onto employees and i don't blame them. i don't see why cororations inherently need to provide healthcare

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1. Re-read what I posted and draw your own inferences.
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Not getting drawn into your nit-picking agenda.


No, sorry, doesn't work this way. When you say "X is worse then Y for poor people" there is no way to logically deduce what are the criteria that you use for comparison. And there is no way to know if you talk of the present time or of the recent past - especially since comparing corporate insurances as they became now is not very honest, so I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.

In any case, I simply asked you to clarify what statements you were making.
If clarity is not something that you want, so be it.


Boris - most people have no trouble inferring:
1. Cost given a silver plan baseline assumption for comparison. And "probably worse" isn't necessarily worse.
2. 2014 given that was the date on the corporate stats I posted.
My main point was corporate plans are far from being platinum - not whether obamacare sucks - which is what you are attempting to argue.


I prefer not to publish my inferences.

For example I suspected that you did no cost/benefit analysis, and the word "worse" meant only "more expensive". I suspected that even that "cost" analysis you didn't base on facts, but it was just a guess. Finally, I suspected that when you claimed that corporate plans are no better than obamcare - you, in fact, meant "corporate plans as they became after oabamacare took it''s toll on them"

I inferred it all quite correctly, but I didn't want to claim it without proof.
Now that you confirmed it all, well, that's that.


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1. Re-read what I posted and draw your own inferences.
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Not getting drawn into your nit-picking agenda.


No, sorry, doesn't work this way. When you say "X is worse then Y for poor people" there is no way to logically deduce what are the criteria that you use for comparison. And there is no way to know if you talk of the present time or of the recent past - especially since comparing corporate insurances as they became now is not very honest, so I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.

In any case, I simply asked you to clarify what statements you were making.
If clarity is not something that you want, so be it.


Boris - most people have no trouble inferring:
1. Cost given a silver plan baseline assumption for comparison. And "probably worse" isn't necessarily worse.
2. 2014 given that was the date on the corporate stats I posted.
My main point was corporate plans are far from being platinum - not whether obamacare sucks - which is what you are attempting to argue.

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1. Re-read what I posted and draw your own inferences.
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No, sorry, doesn't work this way. When you say "X is worse then Y for poor people" there is no way to logically deduce what are the criteria that you use for comparison. And there is no way to know if you talk of the present time or of the recent past - especially since comparing corporate insurances as they became now is not very honest, so I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.

In any case, I simply asked you to clarify what statements you were making.
If clarity is not something that you want, so be it.

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Not sure what Corporate neverland folks believe in, but Corporate healthcare plans are little better than Obamacare. And for low earners, probably worse.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejaps ... -5000-at-large-companies/


A couple of things need to be clarified:

1. What do you mean when you say "worse"? Do you compare the coverage? Doctor availability? Price?

2. What do you mean when you say "corporate plans"? Do you mean "the corporate plans as they were before the obamacare", or do you mean "as they are now, with the obamacare restrictions built in them"?

Thank you.


1. Probably worse for low-income employees assuming they go buy an equivalent silver plan and get the gov subsidies http://www.healthpocket.com/obamacare/health-insurance-subsidy - the assumption is that most corporate plans are around the silver level for most employees.

2. Can't claim to know cause and effect - but corporate plans seem to have have gotten bad over the past 3-4 years with increasing premiums, higher deductibles/co-pays, and doctors bouncing in and out of network.


I am sorry, but that's not at all what I asked about.

1. I asked what does the word "worst" mean, what factors did you compare, - and you answered as if my question was "please repeat the statement that the plans are worse for low-income employees".

2. I asked what exactly are the "corporate" plans that you use for comparison - are they pre-obamacare or post-obamacare. Very simple question - what do you compare? Apples? Oranges? Volkswagen Golfs? You responded as if I asked you to explain why the plans are bad.



1. Re-read what I posted and draw your own inferences.
2. Re-read the date on the link and draw your own inferences.

Not getting drawn into your nit-picking agenda.

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Not sure what Corporate neverland folks believe in, but Corporate healthcare plans are little better than Obamacare. And for low earners, probably worse.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejaps ... -5000-at-large-companies/


A couple of things need to be clarified:

1. What do you mean when you say "worse"? Do you compare the coverage? Doctor availability? Price?

2. What do you mean when you say "corporate plans"? Do you mean "the corporate plans as they were before the obamacare", or do you mean "as they are now, with the obamacare restrictions built in them"?

Thank you.


1. Probably worse for low-income employees assuming they go buy an equivalent silver plan and get the gov subsidies http://www.healthpocket.com/obamacare/health-insurance-subsidy - the assumption is that most corporate plans are around the silver level for most employees.

2. Can't claim to know cause and effect - but corporate plans seem to have have gotten bad over the past 3-4 years with increasing premiums, higher deductibles/co-pays, and doctors bouncing in and out of network.


I am sorry, but that's not at all what I asked about.

1. I asked what does the word "worst" mean, what factors did you compare, - and you answered as if my question was "please repeat the statement that the plans are worse for low-income employees".

2. I asked what exactly are the "corporate" plans that you use for comparison - are they pre-obamacare or post-obamacare. Very simple question - what do you compare? Apples? Oranges? Volkswagen Golfs? You responded as if I asked you to explain why the plans are bad.


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Not sure what Corporate neverland folks believe in, but Corporate healthcare plans are little better than Obamacare. And for low earners, probably worse.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejaps ... -5000-at-large-companies/


A couple of things need to be clarified:

1. What do you mean when you say "worse"? Do you compare the coverage? Doctor availability? Price?

2. What do you mean when you say "corporate plans"? Do you mean "the corporate plans as they were before the obamacare", or do you mean "as they are now, with the obamacare restrictions built in them"?

Thank you.


1. Probably worse for low-income employees assuming they go buy an equivalent silver plan and get the gov subsidies http://www.healthpocket.com/obamacare/health-insurance-subsidy - the assumption is that most corporate plans are around the silver level for most employees.

2. Can't claim to know cause and effect - but corporate plans seem to have have gotten bad over the past 3-4 years with increasing premiums, higher deductibles/co-pays, and doctors bouncing in and out of network.
trust me, corporate health care plans have been getting stingier and stingier for the past 25 years, if not longer. honestly, why should corporations have to provide healthcare insurance anyway? i think this is more of a government function than a corporate function.

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Not sure what Corporate neverland folks believe in, but Corporate healthcare plans are little better than Obamacare. And for low earners, probably worse.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejaps ... -5000-at-large-companies/


A couple of things need to be clarified:

1. What do you mean when you say "worse"? Do you compare the coverage? Doctor availability? Price?

2. What do you mean when you say "corporate plans"? Do you mean "the corporate plans as they were before the obamacare", or do you mean "as they are now, with the obamacare restrictions built in them"?

Thank you.


1. Probably worse for low-income employees assuming they go buy an equivalent silver plan and get the gov subsidies http://www.healthpocket.com/obamacare/health-insurance-subsidy - the assumption is that most corporate plans are around the silver level for most employees.

2. Can't claim to know cause and effect - but corporate plans seem to have have gotten bad over the past 3-4 years with increasing premiums, higher deductibles/co-pays, and doctors bouncing in and out of network.

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Not sure what Corporate neverland folks believe in, but Corporate healthcare plans are little better than Obamacare. And for low earners, probably worse.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejaps ... -5000-at-large-companies/


A couple of things need to be clarified:

1. What do you mean when you say "worse"? Do you compare the coverage? Doctor availability? Price?

2. What do you mean when you say "corporate plans"? Do you mean "the corporate plans as they were before the obamacare", or do you mean "as they are now, with the obamacare restrictions built in them"?

Thank you.

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Not sure what Corporate neverland folks believe in, but Corporate healthcare plans are little better than Obamacare. And for low earners, probably worse.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejaps ... -5000-at-large-companies/

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Bingo... that is why the democrats built a process doomed to fail... there aren't enough people to support mandatory tax! Most unions and large companies got waivers not to participate because then their "Cadillac" health plans would pay penalties for being better than what are on the exchanges. Using Executive Orders, Obama has stopped full implementation of the ACA law on businesses. Insurance companies don't care because after we buy our healthcare, private or public, taxpayer money will be spent to ensure they do not lose money for being part of ACA. You have to implement the law to really see what's in it.


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i wonder how long it will be before all corporationsstop offering healthcare insurance for all employees and force everyone (except high level executives and some union members) onto obamacare

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/say- ... alth-insurance-2015-03-17

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i wonder how long it will be before all corporationsstop offering healthcare insurance for all employees and force everyone (except high level executives and some union members) onto obamacare

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/say- ... alth-insurance-2015-03-17


Interesting question. Does anyone know a corporation that keeps employees over 65 in their corporate health insurance program? From my limited knowledge people (even hot shots) are rolled into Medicare and their Gap picked up by their employer, at least until they retire. Or, if their spouses are younger they ride on their policy (this usually only makes sense if there are children still eligible for coverage) until both are 65.

For me, the real question is why we have two major government programs - Obamacare and Medicare? Hint, your answer must include AARP or I won't take it seriously.

Also, anyone know an anti-Obamacare elder who declined Medicare (it's a voluntary program)? Anyone know a child who is picking up the cost of private insurance for a 65+ parent rather than have their parent participate in Medicare?


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Bingo... that is why the democrats built a process doomed to fail... there aren't enough people to support mandatory tax! Most unions and large companies got waivers not to participate because then their "Cadillac" health plans would pay penalties for being better than what are on the exchanges. Using Executive Orders, Obama has stopped full implementation of the ACA law on businesses. Insurance companies don't care because after we buy our healthcare, private or public, taxpayer money will be spent to ensure they do not lose money for being part of ACA. You have to implement the law to really see what's in it.


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i wonder how long it will be before all corporationsstop offering healthcare insurance for all employees and force everyone (except high level executives and some union members) onto obamacare

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/say- ... alth-insurance-2015-03-17

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i wonder how long it will be before all corporationsstop offering healthcare insurance for all employees and force everyone (except high level executives and some union members) onto obamacare

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/say- ... alth-insurance-2015-03-17

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Republicans have a great replan to replace obamacare. They would provide tax credits and greater leeway for states and health insurers

Just how dumb are the Republicans...odumbo is not the dumb one.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/repu ... placement-plan-2015-02-05

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