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This isn't just about garbage. Right now we are seeing 80 tank cars with flammable placards going by on one train. It is the noise, pollution, the threat of derailment and explosions. Houses, and the Turnpike are only feet away.


I'm confused. The subject says "waste transfer" and talked about some future deal.

Ok, anyway, where do you want those cars to go instead?


It is confusing that any post about freight rail gets thrown into this thread. There are at least three issues at hand now.

1. Waste transfer (which the title of this thread references), for which city council accepted $10M. I think council is against it now though?
2. Port Authority's study for a cross harbor freight tunnel, which is discussed in a few posts in this thread.
3. The trains bringing crude to the refineries in Philadelphia that pass through Jersey City, which Greenvillelifer raised a concern about. I think I read Bayway refinery in Linden might start (or already started?) getting crude from the Dakotas by train too.

There may be other freight rail issues, but those three have been in the news recently.

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I'm confused. The subject says "waste transfer" and talked about some future deal.

Ok, anyway, where do you want those cars to go instead?

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This isn't just about garbage. Right now we are seeing 80 tank cars with flammable placards going by on one train. It is the noise, pollution, the threat of derailment and explosions. Houses, and the Turnpike are only feet away.

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Can some clarify - right now that same garbage comes through Jersey City on trucks, correct? It isn't as much an addition of garbage as the change in how it's transported, right?


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well, if the port authority iswilling to help pay for a rail tunnel into manhattan. why not. mybe they could use existing path tracks at wtcc as new station

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Jersey City residents speak out against Port Authority's Cross Harbor Freight proposals

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on March 03, 2015 at  3:19 PM

JERSEY CITY - To say the residents of Greenville are opposed to the Port Authority's Cross Harbor Freight Program would be an understatement.

Thursday night, representatives from the bi-state agency held a community meeting at the Mary McLeod Bethune Life Center to receive feedback from residents on the environmental impact of their cross harbor freight movement plans -- many of which involve concentrating freight movement through the Greenville rail yards.

The Cross Harbor Freight Program seeks to improve the movement of freight across New York Harbor between the east-of-Hudson and west-of-Hudson regions, and reduce the truck traffic on roadways. In doing so, the Port Authority has laid out 11 options -- 10 of which involve building infrastructure like a tunnel or a barge.

While officials say these alternatives will reduce traffic and pollution in New Jersey by mostly concentrating the freight movement in Greenville, they say it will also have a "severe" environmental effect on the Jersey City neighborhood.

"This project must be abandoned by the Port Authority," said Greenville resident Frank Falcicchio. "Your environmental report stinks. This will be detrimental to the welfare of the people who live in this area."

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This isn't the waste transfer facility. Wasn't there a thread about the Cross Harbor Tunnel?

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Jersey City residents speak out against Port Authority's Cross Harbor Freight proposals

By Matthew Speiser | The Jersey Journal The Jersey Journal 
on March 03, 2015 at  3:19 PM

JERSEY CITY - To say the residents of Greenville are opposed to the Port Authority's Cross Harbor Freight Program would be an understatement.

Thursday night, representatives from the bi-state agency held a community meeting at the Mary McLeod Bethune Life Center to receive feedback from residents on the environmental impact of their cross harbor freight movement plans -- many of which involve concentrating freight movement through the Greenville rail yards.

The Cross Harbor Freight Program seeks to improve the movement of freight across New York Harbor between the east-of-Hudson and west-of-Hudson regions, and reduce the truck traffic on roadways. In doing so, the Port Authority has laid out 11 options -- 10 of which involve building infrastructure like a tunnel or a barge.

While officials say these alternatives will reduce traffic and pollution in New Jersey by mostly concentrating the freight movement in Greenville, they say it will also have a "severe" environmental effect on the Jersey City neighborhood.

"This project must be abandoned by the Port Authority," said Greenville resident Frank Falcicchio. "Your environmental report stinks. This will be detrimental to the welfare of the people who live in this area."

Read more:  http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... y_oppose_port_author.html


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The tunnel would still bring the garbage to Greenville.
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The $10m garbage contract is an entirely separate deal to the $10b tunnel, and not necessarily linked.

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The tunnel would still bring the garbage to Greenville. The company with the contract to pick up NYC garbage is located in Linden. Put the garbage on trains in NYC and barge it to Linden


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call 212-435-7777 to be put on the speakers list

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Today's Jersey Journal has an article about a tunnel from
Brooklyn to Greenville. Barges- Tunnel the bottom line is
the garbage will go through Greenville.

The Meeting at Bethune should be on South Greenville's
turf, since SG residents quality of life is at risk. We understood it was to be at P.S. # 30 school.

This meeting is very important!!!


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what happened to the idea of freight train tunnel from brooklyn to jc


That's exactly what the meeting is about. The title of this thread is misleading and frankly old news.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015 ... t_tunnel_proposed_fr.html

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JC is too densely populated for a garbage transfer station. It will reduce property values because any garbage transfer station will bring an unpleasant smell.

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what happened to the idea of freight train tunnel from brooklyn to jc

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Cross Harbor Freight Program
PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE
The Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) and the Port Authority of New York and
New Jersey (PANYNJ) have released a NEPA Tier 1 Draft Environmental Impact
Statement (DEIS) to evaluate alternatives to improve the movement of goods in the
region by enhancing the transportation of freight across New York Harbor. The Cross
Harbor Freight Program (CHFP) DEIS evaluates both near?term and long?term
improvementsto the regional freight network. Public Hearings provide an opportunity
for the public and agencies to comment on and provide input on the DEIS. Public
Hearings for the CHFP will be held at the New Jersey locations listed
below:  


Tuesday, February 10, 2015 • 4:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m.
Mary McLeod Bethune Life Center
140 Martin Luther King Jr. Drive • Jersey City, NJ 07305

The DEIS is available to download at www.crossharborstudy.com. Hardcopies are
located at numerous repositories throughout the region. A complete list of
repositories can be found on the project website.   
Your comments are encouraged and may be provided in writing either at the public
hearing or by mail to Cross Harbor Freight Program, c/o InGroup, Inc., PO Box 206
Midland Park, NJ 07432 or via email to feedback@crossharborstudy.com.  The public
comment period will remain open until 5:00 p.m. on February 27, 2015.
All public hearing dates, times and locations are subject to change due to inclement
weather conditions. An informational recording regarding any change in the hearing
schedule will be available at (201) 820?2170 at least two hours before the scheduled
start time of the hearing.   
The public hearings are accessible to people who are mobility impaired. Sign language
interpreter services or other translation services are available, upon advance request.
To make arrangements for such services, please contact the Port Authority’s outreach
consultant at (201) 612?1230 or via email at feedback@crossharborstudy.com no later
than three (3) days before the hearing for which the services are being requested.  
For more information about the Cross Harbor Freight Program or to download a copy
of the DEIS document, please visit the project website at www.crossharborstudy.com.

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Please be aware that there is a meeting scheduled for February 10th at the Bethune Center, on MLK, regarding the garbage transfer station for the Greenville Yards.

This is a NY/NJPA meeting to inform you that the transfer station is going ahead. If this transfer station happens your property values will be negatively impacted. The quality of life of South Greenville will be affected.

THIS IS SERIOUS

This is the THIRD attempt to use the Greenville Yards as a garbage transfer station. During the first attempt in 1993, Mayor Schundler supported the garbage transfer station, but the Jersey City Council opposed the project. It did not happen.

In 1999 the Port Authority attempted to get Mayor Healy to support the project. He refused to allow the project to move forward. Now in 2014, Mayor Fulop supported the transfer station in return for $10M for a park in the Heights. The Mayor did reverse his position. BUT, the meeting to discuss the garbage transfer station is scheduled. WHY?

All residents of Greenville, Port Liberte, Society Hill, all Jersey City must get Mayor Fulop AND the City Council to stop the NYC garbage transfer station to be built in the Greenville Yards.

PLEASE DON'T ABANDON THIS EFFORT!

http://www.panynj.gov/about/public-he ... tingNotice_ENGLISH_v2.pdf

Tuesday, February 10, 2015 • 4:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m.
Mary McLeod Bethune Life Center
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http://hudsoncountyview.com/emails-fu ... -garbage-greenville-deal/


Emails from Fulop, PANYNJ raises questions about ‘Garbage for Greenville’ deal
November 20, 2014 - Jersey City, News - Written by Michael Shurin - no comments
Emails and documents related to the building of a waste transfer facility in Greenville raises unanswered questions from Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

New emails and documents related to the building of a waste transfer facility in Greenville, a project that Mayor Fulop later halted, raise fresh questions about the process behind the scenes of a resolution approving the “execution of a memorandum of understanding [MOU] with IESI NY Corporation as the basis for a future host community agreement.”

The most serious question centers around the difference between a letter to the NYC Dept. of Sanitation attached to the City Council agenda, and the actual letter sent.

In the official letter dated October 6, 2014 – which was obtained through a public records request – Fulop writes about “expected council support” which was not in the letter attached to the council agenda.

Additionally, there is a difference in language regarding the MOU. In the actual letter sent it says, “reached an agreement” and in the council agenda it says “executed a letter agreement.”



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If you are near any tracks used by freight trains it is a possibility the route can change.

This will come up again.

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Quote:it's like if fulop is so anxious to be governor, he should think better about the optics of his actions imo!

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What streets are these trucks driving through?

There is a difference between one truck at a time, and a whole
train load.


I have only seen them on the Turnpike. Big dump trucks, covered with filthy tarps. Says Solid Municipal Waste on them and they stink to high heaven. I have also seen NYC sanitation trucks in JC , those that do curbside pickups. Don't know what routes they take.

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What streets are these trucks driving through?

There is a difference between one truck at a time, and a whole
train load.

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OK, my head is spinning. Are any of these established facts incorrect?

1-This garbage is already transiting JC, but on the roadway in unsealed trucks.

2-The PA bought the terminal with the expressed purpose of establishing this transfer station.

3-The garbage is not going to be landfilled in NJ, it's going to be incinerated in a state of the art power generation facility. This is a job creator in addition to the transfer station.

So, WTF? There's more political turnarounds and backstabbing going on in this show than in Julius Ceasar!

That said, I've always agreed with Sweeney's point that NY should be dealing with it's own garbage. There's 150 miles of river all the way to Albany, at any point of which they could build a facility to deal with their trash. But it's politically expedient to export it so no NY voters have it in their hood.



If 1. is correct and the garbage is currently transiting though JC in unsealed trucks are there any complaints about the smell from anyone who live on or near the routes?


I doubt it because these are individual trucks. They do stink like hell if you happen to drive behind one, though.

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OK, my head is spinning. Are any of these established facts incorrect?

1-This garbage is already transiting JC, but on the roadway in unsealed trucks.

2-The PA bought the terminal with the expressed purpose of establishing this transfer station.

3-The garbage is not going to be landfilled in NJ, it's going to be incinerated in a state of the art power generation facility. This is a job creator in addition to the transfer station.

So, WTF? There's more political turnarounds and backstabbing going on in this show than in Julius Ceasar!

That said, I've always agreed with Sweeney's point that NY should be dealing with it's own garbage. There's 150 miles of river all the way to Albany, at any point of which they could build a facility to deal with their trash. But it's politically expedient to export it so no NY voters have it in their hood.



If 1. is correct and the garbage is currently transiting though JC in unsealed trucks are there any complaints about the smell from anyone who live on or near the routes?

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Its entirely possible that the trash will be loaded onto freight rail cars elsewhere and still carried through Greenville on the rail tracks, but now without a payment to the city.

Eventually of course the plan is to connect those tracks to Brooklyn with a the Port Authority's trans-hudson freight tunnel, but thats probably decades away.

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If the facts are as previously stated (that the garbage is already being transported through JC streets on regular trucks) then I don't see how the cancellation is a smart decision. It was implied from the beginning that the garbage is already being brought to JC, then loaded onto trucks, which then drive through the streets of JC on their way to the landfill or incineration facility. If that is not the case, then it is probably good they cancelled. But, if the garbage is already coming here, this new setup would have been an improvement.


If this garbage is already coming through that area, I doubt the residents would have been so up in arms about it. The whole point was that the plan that Fulop shoved through would have made the area smell like a garbage dump, as all the linked articles demonstrated.

Luckily Sweeney and the Port Authority showed they were more concerned with the welfare of JC residents than Fulop himself.

I'll advise you to read Brewster's many posts in this thread on this very topic as he took the time to actually research whether or not the area "would smell like a garbage dump." Unless you have any actual information that would backup this assertion, you're clearly speaking on an opinion about what you believe would happen based on absolutely no evidence what-so-ever.

As to the rest, we all know that this deal was killed by Sweeney as a political move. He cares exceptionally little for anyone but himself.


I'll advise you to read the articles I and others quoted that clearly show that those "sealed" containers stink enough to cause great nuisance and numerous complaints from neighboring communities. Probably don't help the property values either. Like to play fast and loose with other people's quality of life and equity in their homes?

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If the facts are as previously stated (that the garbage is already being transported through JC streets on regular trucks) then I don't see how the cancellation is a smart decision. It was implied from the beginning that the garbage is already being brought to JC, then loaded onto trucks, which then drive through the streets of JC on their way to the landfill or incineration facility. If that is not the case, then it is probably good they cancelled. But, if the garbage is already coming here, this new setup would have been an improvement.


If this garbage is already coming through that area, I doubt the residents would have been so up in arms about it. The whole point was that the plan that Fulop shoved through would have made the area smell like a garbage dump, as all the linked articles demonstrated.

Luckily Sweeney and the Port Authority showed they were more concerned with the welfare of JC residents than Fulop himself.

I'll advise you to read Brewster's many posts in this thread on this very topic as he took the time to actually research whether or not the area "would smell like a garbage dump." Unless you have any actual information that would backup this assertion, you're clearly speaking on an opinion about what you believe would happen based on absolutely no evidence what-so-ever.

As to the rest, we all know that this deal was killed by Sweeney as a political move. He cares exceptionally little for anyone but himself.

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Because throwing terms around like "No Trash Train!" and "Dumping on Greenville!" makes for good copy. And because leaders of neighborhood groups, to remain leaders, have to make it look like they are standing up for the neighborhood, even if what they advocate makes them worse off.

I felt that it was wrong for the city to do this when Gajewski was out of town (although the cynic in me suspects that the councilman was hoping he could avoid a vote). And if the Port Authority has ultimate control over this, then why is the City trying to pass a resolution that wouldn't be effective?

Still, the substance of the deal was pretty good. An income stream for the city, good blue collar jobs, taking garbage trucks off the roads.

I suspect that if the Greenville Yards, were instead called "the New York Bay Rail Barge Station" that some people would not even have batted an eye.

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So what is the real reason for stopping this if the garbage is already coming through JC? Why not get paid for it and get it off the streets? Is the amount offered too low?

The only issue I would have is if I were a Greenville resident I would wonder why the $10M would not go to fund something in the neighborhood.

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If the facts are as previously stated (that the garbage is already being transported through JC streets on regular trucks) then I don't see how the cancellation is a smart decision. It was implied from the beginning that the garbage is already being brought to JC, then loaded onto trucks, which then drive through the streets of JC on their way to the landfill or incineration facility. If that is not the case, then it is probably good they cancelled. But, if the garbage is already coming here, this new setup would have been an improvement.


If this garbage is already coming through that area, I doubt the residents would have been so up in arms about it. The whole point was that the plan that Fulop shoved through would have made the area smell like a garbage dump, as all the linked articles demonstrated.

Luckily Sweeney and the Port Authority showed they were more concerned with the welfare of JC residents than Fulop himself.

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