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Dolomiti, Don't forget Giuliani cleaned up NYC. It's probably the reason you live in Jersey City today.


The Giuliani broken windows theory has pretty much been discredited by academics. It's controversial at best. But if you want, keep on believing.


I remember NYC in the eighties under Koch and then Dinkins. But you keep telling yourself that.

I also remember it. More importantly, the data is pretty clear.

Crime went up during Koch's term, and part of Dinkins' term. It peaked in 1990, and started to fall. It had dropped 20% from its peak by the time Giuliani took office (and even more by the time his policies were in effect).

Meanwhile and again, many cities and states did not adopt Broken Windows, yet there was a national drop in crime anyway.

And the NYPD's own analysis indicates that the data does not support the Broken Windows theory.

"OIG-NYPD's analysis has found no empirical evidence demonstrating a clear and direct link between an increase in summons and misdemeanor arrest activity and a related drop in felony crime. Between 2010 and 2015, quality-of-life enforcement rates -- and in particular, quality-of-life summons rates -- have dramatically declined, but there has been no commensurate increase in felony crime."

http://www1.nyc.gov/assets/oignypd/do ... Life-Report-2010-2015.pdf

But hey, who cares about pesky things like facts and evidence, right? Right.


In the age of Trump with Breibart's Steve f$&#ing Bannon appointed as the POTUS's chief strategist, who needs facts and evidence?

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Dolomiti, Don't forget Giuliani cleaned up NYC. It's probably the reason you live in Jersey City today.


The Giuliani broken windows theory has pretty much been discredited by academics. It's controversial at best. But if you want, keep on believing.


I remember NYC in the eighties under Koch and then Dinkins. But you keep telling yourself that.

I also remember it. More importantly, the data is pretty clear.

Crime went up during Koch's term, and part of Dinkins' term. It peaked in 1990, and started to fall. It had dropped 20% from its peak by the time Giuliani took office (and even more by the time his policies were in effect).

Meanwhile and again, many cities and states did not adopt Broken Windows, yet there was a national drop in crime anyway.

And the NYPD's own analysis indicates that the data does not support the Broken Windows theory.

"OIG-NYPD's analysis has found no empirical evidence demonstrating a clear and direct link between an increase in summons and misdemeanor arrest activity and a related drop in felony crime. Between 2010 and 2015, quality-of-life enforcement rates -- and in particular, quality-of-life summons rates -- have dramatically declined, but there has been no commensurate increase in felony crime."

http://www1.nyc.gov/assets/oignypd/do ... Life-Report-2010-2015.pdf

But hey, who cares about pesky things like facts and evidence, right? Right.

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Dolomiti, Don't forget Giuliani cleaned up NYC. It's probably the reason you live in Jersey City today.

That is complete BS.

Crime rates started falling nationally in the early 90s; in NYC, that trend started before Giuliani took office, and kept going long afterwards. (That includes during the term of Bernie Kerik, who eventually got whacked with $221,000 in fines for ethics violations, and served 4 years in federal prisons on tax fraud and other charges.) Cities and states that did not utilize the same policies as NYC saw the same drops in crime rates.

He didn't exactly foster a great deal of racial harmony during his term. If anything, he played up racial tensions to inflame the city and bolster his "law and order" credentials.

He also had a lot of help fixing up Times Square. Those plans were in place, wait for it... long before he came into office, with some of the groundwork laid back in the Koch days, more during Dinkins. It was a City Council member who got the idea to purge areas of sex shops, and they just relocated to other areas (which later started to gentrify, of course). And of course, Giuliani hardly invented pressure on Manhattan real estate values.

Last but not least, almost everything he's said in the past 6 months has been bat-excrement insane. The idea that we're supposed to remember things he did over a decade ago, and forget the crazy things he's been saying all year long? How does that work?

I think the better way to put it is: I'm living in JC in spite of Giuliani, not because of him.


This post is a perfect example of how disconnected from reality liberals are.

And yet again...

Giuliani became mayor in 1994. Do you deny that the crime rate in NYC peaked in 1990, and declined thereafter?

Do you deny that the violent crime rate in NYC declined 20% from its peak before Giuliani took office?

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Do you deny that on a national scale, crime started to drop in 1991 as well?

Do you deny that NYC's crime rate continued to fall after Giuliani left office in 2001?

Do you deny that the national crime rate has continued to fall, pretty much in a straight line, since 1990?

Do you deny that many states and municipalities did not use the same tactics as the NYPD, yet saw reductions in crime rates?

Are you even remotely aware that the evidence clearly indicates that "Stop & Frisk" did not reduce crime rates?

Are you even remotely aware that the evidence shows that the "Broken Windows" approach doesn't work either?

What was Giuliani's reaction to the Amadou Diallo shooting?

Did Giuliani do anything to increase the oversight and accountability of the NYPD?

What did he do that was designed to foster racial harmony in NYC?

Do you deny that Bernie Kerik was appointed police commissioner by Giuliani? That he went to jail for tax fraud and other charges?

I do concur he did a good job coordinating the response to 9/11. Not an easy task, given that he built the NYPD's Emergency Command Center, wait for it... on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade. And that was after the attempted bombing in 1993.

And I really do not have the stomach to recite all the utterly moronic and sycophantic things he's said during the campaign.

So yeah... no. I assure you, I'm not the one "disconnected from reality."

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Dolomiti, Don't forget Giuliani cleaned up NYC. It's probably the reason you live in Jersey City today.


The Giuliani broken windows theory has pretty much been discredited by academics. It's controversial at best. But if you want, keep on believing.


I remember NYC in the eighties under Koch and then Dinkins. But you keep telling yourself that.

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Dolomiti, Don't forget Giuliani cleaned up NYC. It's probably the reason you live in Jersey City today.

That is complete BS.

Crime rates started falling nationally in the early 90s; in NYC, that trend started before Giuliani took office, and kept going long afterwards. (That includes during the term of Bernie Kerik, who eventually got whacked with $221,000 in fines for ethics violations, and served 4 years in federal prisons on tax fraud and other charges.) Cities and states that did not utilize the same policies as NYC saw the same drops in crime rates.

He didn't exactly foster a great deal of racial harmony during his term. If anything, he played up racial tensions to inflame the city and bolster his "law and order" credentials.

He also had a lot of help fixing up Times Square. Those plans were in place, wait for it... long before he came into office, with some of the groundwork laid back in the Koch days, more during Dinkins. It was a City Council member who got the idea to purge areas of sex shops, and they just relocated to other areas (which later started to gentrify, of course). And of course, Giuliani hardly invented pressure on Manhattan real estate values.

Last but not least, almost everything he's said in the past 6 months has been bat-excrement insane. The idea that we're supposed to remember things he did over a decade ago, and forget the crazy things he's been saying all year long? How does that work?

I think the better way to put it is: I'm living in JC in spite of Giuliani, not because of him.


This post is a perfect example of how disconnected from reality liberals are.

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Dolomiti, Don't forget Giuliani cleaned up NYC. It's probably the reason you live in Jersey City today.

That is complete BS.

Crime rates started falling nationally in the early 90s; in NYC, that trend started before Giuliani took office, and kept going long afterwards. (That includes during the term of Bernie Kerik, who eventually got whacked with $221,000 in fines for ethics violations, and served 4 years in federal prisons on tax fraud and other charges.) Cities and states that did not utilize the same policies as NYC saw the same drops in crime rates.

He didn't exactly foster a great deal of racial harmony during his term. If anything, he played up racial tensions to inflame the city and bolster his "law and order" credentials.

He also had a lot of help fixing up Times Square. Those plans were in place, wait for it... long before he came into office, with some of the groundwork laid back in the Koch days, more during Dinkins. It was a City Council member who got the idea to purge areas of sex shops, and they just relocated to other areas (which later started to gentrify, of course). And of course, Giuliani hardly invented pressure on Manhattan real estate values.

Last but not least, almost everything he's said in the past 6 months has been bat-excrement insane. The idea that we're supposed to remember things he did over a decade ago, and forget the crazy things he's been saying all year long? How does that work?

I think the better way to put it is: I'm living in JC in spite of Giuliani, not because of him.

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The Giuliani broken windows theory has pretty much been discredited by academics. It's controversial at best. But if you want, keep on believing.

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Dolomiti, Don't forget Giuliani cleaned up NYC. It's probably the reason you live in Jersey City today.

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Pence has much better DC connections, and Christie will get an important job in the Cabinet, no worries.

Christie getting anywhere near the Cabinet is cause for concern. Not as much as Giuliani (shudder) but pretty close.

You might want to be worried, though. Given that Trump is as unpredictable as the spin of an electron, it's not looking good for your favorite elected official?


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In the meantime he can get a lot done in NJ....

Oh, really? Who or what is there left for him to screw up?

You do realize Christie's approval rating is heading straight down, yes? That Trump gives him the boot, he will have very little political capital left?

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Pence has much better DC connections, and Christie will get an important job in the Cabinet, no worries. In the meantime he can get a lot done in NJ, he's here for a good while. Even Prieto gave Whiney heat for the faux impeachment threat-which she did just to ride the anti-Trump sentiment from the butthurt Democrats.


Has Christie been booted from Trump's inner circle?

One can only hope.

I have no idea how Christie made it this far, given that he prosecuted Charles Kushner (the father of Jared Kushner, Ivanka's husband) and put him in jail for a year. There's already some rumors that Jared is trying to keep Christie out of the administration.


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Trump is probably disgusted with him for throwing Bridget Kelly under the bus - subjected to a prison term for up to 20 years. She has four young children. Christie is one cold hearted, selfish mother F-er.

lol.... I doubt Trump gives a crap about that. It's not HIS family, after all.

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Has Christie been booted from Trump's inner circle? Trump is probably disgusted with him for throwing Bridget Kelly under the bus - subjected to a prison term for up to 20 years. She has four young children. Christie is one cold hearted, selfish mother F-er.

Also, when the 2005 hot mic tape leaked, Christie distanced himself from Trump for a day or so. Bad move and Trump must view it as disloyalty. Compare to Guiliani's reaction - he came out swinging defending Trump.

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Pence has much better DC connections, and Christie will get an important job in the Cabinet, no worries. In the meantime he can get a lot done in NJ, he's here for a good while. Even Prieto gave Whiney heat for the faux impeachment threat-which she did just to ride the anti-Trump sentiment from the butthurt Democrats.

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He has expressed considerable interest in chief of staff and has called it a close second to AG.

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Chief of staff would be an odd position for Christie.
please, donald, take your fellow scumbag with you to dc.


Not so fast. Christie out as head of transition, replaced by Pence -

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politic ... ump-transition/index.html

Christie is damaged from Bridgegate, and giving Christie a position in the admin would elevate Kim Guadagno to Gov, and she's now the enemy. This is getting very interesting...

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Chief of staff would be an odd position for Christie.
please, donald, take your fellow scumbag with you to dc.

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He has expressed considerable interest in chief of staff and has called it a close second to AG.

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Chief of staff would be an odd position for Christie.

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It will be quite interesting to see if Christie is nominated to a post requiring Senate hearings. I don't see that going well for him, although I guess in the end the republicans can force the issue since they have the votes and it doesn't seem like something that would get filibustered given the sheer number of odious (to democrats) appointments that are likely to occur.

My money is on chief of staff for Christie and I'd like to volunteer to help him pack as soon as he's ready.


Chief of staff would be an odd position for Christie. He will likely be rewarded with a true cabinet position, either as AG at DoJ or DHS Secretary.


Would love to see Christie at DHS, and Giuliani as AG.

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It will be quite interesting to see if Christie is nominated to a post requiring Senate hearings. I don't see that going well for him, although I guess in the end the republicans can force the issue since they have the votes and it doesn't seem like something that would get filibustered given the sheer number of odious (to democrats) appointments that are likely to occur.

My money is on chief of staff for Christie and I'd like to volunteer to help him pack as soon as he's ready.


Chief of staff would be an odd position for Christie. He will likely be rewarded with a true cabinet position, either as AG at DoJ or DHS Secretary.

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It will be quite interesting to see if Christie is nominated to a post requiring Senate hearings. I don't see that going well for him, although I guess in the end the republicans can force the issue since they have the votes and it doesn't seem like something that would get filibustered given the sheer number of odious (to democrats) appointments that are likely to occur.

My money is on chief of staff for Christie and I'd like to volunteer to help him pack as soon as he's ready.

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Governor Kim Guadagno in January?

Chris Christie’s Future Shifts Spotlight to His Lieutenant Governor

Kim Guadagno would become New Jersey’s governor if Christie resigns to join Trump administration

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Nov. 9, 2016 6:45 p.m. ET

http://www.wsj.com/articles/chris-chr ... enant-governor-1478735111


and we know...

Lt. Gov. Kim Guadagno Will Not Cast Ballot For Donald Trump, Did Not Say Who She is Voting For

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/ ... Vote-Trump-396468061.html


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'Concentration camp' guilty! Nazis! Drink!

Wait, was Christie was on trial here?

Oops. Never mind.

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Is it a case that yes, these 2 are guilty because they made it happen or is it a case of subordinates doing what they were told from a high power?
Concentration camp guards and officers wanted to make the same argument but failed also. What is most important is these 2 'guards' followed 'orders' and the person making those 'orders' needs to be put before the Courts.
Hopefully it will see Christie in Court to answer those charges, once all the gloves come off from those in the know.

If Christie was truly pissed by his subordinates, he would have fired them immediately, be as a prosecuting witness and even taken action in Court against the pair of insubordinates himself .... this we know he NEVER did.

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Amazing. Christie closed a bridge lane and gets raked over the coals. Bill Clinton holds a secret meeting to influence a federal investigation and nothing is made of it.

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BREAKING: Jury finds 2 former Christie aides guilty of ALL charges in #Bridgegate scandal.

Bridget Kelly leaves beind a husband and four kids because of her tomfoolery. Next time, co-operate with federal prosecutors. I can't believe they went down for Christie.


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BREAKING: Jury finds 2 former Christie aides guilty of ALL charges in #Bridgegate scandal.

Bridget Kelly leaves beind a husband and four kids because of her tomfoolery. Next time, co-operate with federal prosecutors. I can't believe they went down for Christie.

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Breaking news on CNN now: A verdict has been reached in the New Jersey Bridgegate trial.

Bridget Kelly is going down?

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Breaking news on CNN now: A verdict has been reached in the New Jersey Bridgegate trial.

Bridget Kelly is going down?

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Isn't it amazing how the former great paper can take such a stance on Christie, especially since he's not been proven, as he said from day 1, to have had anything to do with the traffic jam.

The person they endorse for POTUS was excoriated by the head of the FBI-and they love her!



After all much to do about nothing, just a few traffic cones being moved? Wow you will never get it...


As Hillary said, 'What difference does it make?'

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