Monroe wrote:
And alt left radicals were planning on releasing butyric acid in a ventilation system to disrupt a Trump inauguration ball. They should be charged with domestic terrorism.

Azul_the_Cat wrote:
I like the comparison to Nixon in the below article.

Alex Pareene
"It?s been fun, but it?s about time for Republicans to admit that the great Donald Trump experiment isn?t going to work out?for them.

One hypothetical version of President Trump?the ideal version, for Republicans, and one that many convinced themselves he would become, given practice and training?is a new Reagan: a mouthpiece for the ideas and policies inserted into his empty head by members of an ascendant conservative movement riding his television-mastery to power. Surround this version of Trump with good party men like Reince Priebus and Mike Pence, and he takes care of entertaining the masses?and distracting the opposition?while true-believing conservatives actually run the country, enacting their entire agenda too forcefully and quickly for anyone to effectively fight them.

We could still get some twisted version of this, especially since Trump is still going to outsource all actual governing and policy decisions to others, but what Trump showed today, in his unhinged press conference, is how quickly and impetuously he can (and will) undermine and sabotage their efforts.

Another version of Trump?the nightmare for liberals and not one conservatives would welcome either?could be a second Nixon, with no real political philosophy, but a willingness to do anything to maintain his grip on power. Not just through unethical and criminal means, like the Watergate break-in or the sabotage of the Vietnam peace talks, but also in his willingness to do decidedly un-conservative things if they?d benefit him politically?like the wage and price controls he implemented, to great popular acclaim, in 1971. This is the model Steve Bannon likely hopes to emulate.

But Trump will fail to be either, and by now Republicans should recognize this. He?s too impetuous and narcissistic to be Reagan, and not smart enough to be Nixon. Half of his advisers will attempt to use him as a pitchman for conservative policy, the other half will attempt to use him to create and sustain a white nationalist international coalition, and he will instead tweet for hours about which celebrity slighted him this week. Trump will reject conservative ideas if he believes they will not be popular, but if Trump attempts to cynically abandon conservatism to maintain popularity, he will find that he has no clue how to go about doing actually popular things.

The end result won?t work for anyone. Successful corrupt right-wing populists generally tend to actually deliver tangible things to their bases of support. Trump will be unable to do this, and the Republican Party is too tied to its dead philosophy to help him. Ethno-nationalism needs welfare chauvinism to flourish, but today?s GOP might actually be too opposed to all forms of welfare (for the non-rich) to ensure their own political success.

Meanwhile, Republicans who hoped to use Trump as a useful idiot are already finding that he?s generally more of an actively destructive idiot. Whether or not he meant it sincerely enough to back it up with action, Trump has promised to protect social welfare programs Paul Ryan has been salivating at the opportunity to dismantle. Official Washington is already failing to maintain its hegemonic grip on foreign policy. Republicans are already flailing in their attempts to dismantle Obamacare, and Trump can?t help but screw up the messaging every time he discusses it.

If Republicans were smart?if they were a rational political party able to act in their own best interests?they?d impeach Trump as soon as possible. His bizarre performance today, and his brazenly inadequate response to the many very obvious conflicts of interest and opportunities for corrupt dealings that his administration will invite, give Republicans a perfectly acceptable rationale to do so. They can say it is for the good of the country, but the truth is that it would be for the good of the Republican Party and the conservative movement.

Impeaching Trump would not go down well with many Republican voters?though it would win them many new fans in the centrist media, probably?but if they did so, Republicans would still have two solid years of complete control of the government, only now with a properly conservative and pliant president, in Mike Pence, who will obviously sign anything Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell place on his desk. Even if a conservative grassroots backlash leads to Republican members of Congress losing their seats in 2018, most of them will be replaced with equally conservative Republicans, who will then have another two years to continue to implement the full conservative agenda.

By then, everything will be decidedly fucked, and a Democrat may well win the presidency again, but at that point it practically won?t matter. Conservatives will have had plenty of time to follow through on their many bad ideas. The welfare state will be in ruins, the tax code more regressive than at any point since the ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment, major industries will be freed from burdensome regulations of their environmentally and socially destructive practices, we?ll probably be at war with Iran, the Supreme Court and the judiciary as a whole will be packed with stalwart young conservatives working tirelessly to eliminate abortion access and make it illegal to sue businesses for poisoning children, America will be a ?right to work? nation, and it will be a felony to be rude to a cop. Conservatives can make their glorious dreams come true, if they just rid themselves of this troublesome president.

As soon as Donald Trump picked Pence, and not some more Trumpian figure, like Don King or his own daughter, he practically made this decision for them. It would be crazy not to impeach him.

Hamparkvet wrote:
This has turned into a pissing contest. Trump is sitting back and soaking it up.

Monroe wrote:

Obama is the first POTUS to be in a war during every day of his two terms.

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Due to debt service on the fact that Obama DOUBLED the national debt in his two terms? Every POTUS prior to Obama added to the debt, and Obama took it and doubled it. With little to show for it, no highways, no airports, no rail lines, no bridges-still wondering what happened to all those shovel ready jobs.

Let's all just casually ignore the war in the middle east that was started by W that has cost us trillions. Because the added nothing to our debt.

Obama is the first POTUS to be in a war during every day of his two terms.

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Due to debt service on the fact that Obama DOUBLED the national debt in his two terms? Every POTUS prior to Obama added to the debt, and Obama took it and doubled it. With little to show for it, no highways, no airports, no rail lines, no bridges-still wondering what happened to all those shovel ready jobs.

Let's all just casually ignore the war in the middle east that was started by W that has cost us trillions. Because the added nothing to our debt.

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Another excellent press conference by President elect Trump.

Loved how he went after CNN about their fake news.

i'm just waiting for my tax cut. screw the deficit? saw a presentation by doubleline's jeff gundlach where the us deficit is projected to rise to ~140% of gdp/gnp by 2020, up from ~75% (or something like that) from 2016-end

and who is gonna build all this new infrastructure? central americans, if not mexicans?

Due to debt service on the fact that Obama DOUBLED the national debt in his two terms? Every POTUS prior to Obama added to the debt, and Obama took it and doubled it. With little to show for it, no highways, no airports, no rail lines, no bridges-still wondering what happened to all those shovel ready jobs.

Monroe wrote:
Due to debt service on the fact that Obama DOUBLED the national debt in his two terms? Every POTUS prior to Obama added to the debt, and Obama took it and doubled it. With little to show for it, no highways, no airports, no rail lines, no bridges-still wondering what happened to all those shovel ready jobs.

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Another excellent press conference by President elect Trump.

Loved how he went after CNN about their fake news.

i'm just waiting for my tax cut. screw the deficit? saw a presentation by doubleline's jeff gundlach where the us deficit is projected to rise to ~140% of gdp/gnp by 2020, up from ~75% (or something like that) from 2016-end

and who is gonna build all this new infrastructure? central americans, if not mexicans?

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Another excellent press conference by President elect Trump.

Loved how he went after CNN about their fake news.

Monroe wrote:
It's not a coinky dinkee that this came out (again, it's been ignored since October by every major news provider) the day the Senate confirmations began, the day Obama gave his 'goodbye, I'm great' speech, and the day before Trump's presser where he'll outline his divesting strategy. Just another attempt to delegitimize his election, like the failed recount, the failed 'faithless elector' hilarity, the failed 'let's mess with the Electoral College voting procedure'.

Monroe wrote:
It's not a coinky dinkee that this came out (again, it's been ignored since October by every major news provider) the day the Senate confirmations began, the day Obama gave his 'goodbye, I'm great' speech, and the day before Trump's presser where he'll outline his divesting strategy. Just another attempt to delegitimize his election, like the failed recount, the failed 'faithless elector' hilarity, the failed 'let's mess with the Electoral College voting procedure'.

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TheBigGuy wrote:
More smoke and mirrors from the Left and MSM lapdogs. Not only did they get played on this unsubstantiated report, but I would have to conclude that there is no hard evidence linking the Russian Govt. to hacking HRC, John Podesta and the DNC. along with "rigging the election"

Was that not the original intent of the briefings? If there was a smoking gun wouldn't these hacks better serve the country reporting on that evidence rather than publishing unsubstantiated reports?

well, how do you think donald keeps his hair so golden?

I have not read the classified intelligence briefing, so I can't really say what, if any, hard evidence there is that Russia was involved. If you have read the briefing please share what info you can with us without compromising national security.

I do agree that we should stick to reporting actual evidence rather than making shite up out of thin air. For the record, I don't buy any of this latest BS about Trump in Russia with golden showers.

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More smoke and mirrors from the Left and MSM lapdogs. Not only did they get played on this unsubstantiated report, but I would have to conclude that there is no hard evidence linking the Russian Govt. to hacking HRC, John Podesta and the DNC. along with "rigging the election"

Was that not the original intent of the briefings? If there was a smoking gun wouldn't these hacks better serve the country reporting on that evidence rather than publishing unsubstantiated reports?

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What does this comment even mean? Disregarding Fake News... the CIA even had bogus information in their briefing material.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01 ... ed-anti-trump-report-hoax

Any wonder why the Trump appointees like Flynn want to clean the Obama political hacks out of the intelligence community?

Ya know, now Trump supporters are disregarding fake news as opposed to believing in it as many did during the campaigns. I'm just curious why the change of heart now?

On a side note, I wouldn't put too much stock in anything that comes from 4Chan that isn't a meme. Then again, they did get a meme elected President.

TheBigGuy wrote:
What does this comment even mean? Disregarding Fake News... the CIA even had bogus information in their briefing material.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01 ... ed-anti-trump-report-hoax

Any wonder why the Trump appointees like Flynn want to clean the Obama political hacks out of the intelligence community?

Azul_the_Cat wrote:
Now Trump supporters are deciding to disregard fake news? What's different now as compared to the last 18 months?

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y'all sitting down....sit, please sit!

Trump Received Unsubstantiated Report That Russia Had Damaging Information About Him

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/us/ ... ia-intelligence.html?_r=0

You people are nuts... Try and understand what the headline says and the details to the story.... the people making the report to the FBI were from the DNC.

The DNC reported a lie to the FBI for them to investigate trying to link Russians to Trump.

It was a smear job that apparently was investigated by the FBI around the time he was starting to receive classified briefings.

NOTHING WAS FOUND! What the FBI reported to Trump was an unsubstantiated smear attempt against him and his staff.

Yahoo News names Trump staff and the rumors such as a staffer had a family member who owned a dacha in the Russian countryside next to Putin.