JCMan8 wrote:
It's stupid as hell and just a form of virtue signaling. As Michael Jordan used to say, both Republicans and Democrats buy shoes.

Did you see what the Grubhub CEO did? He sent a memo to all employees basically telling Trump voters to resign. Their stock price has plunged over 10% since he made these comments, because they outraged many people who swore never to use their service again.

VoiceOfReason wrote:
I think what's starting to become very interesting is how some JC businesses are responding to the election. I'm not sure how I feel about businesses taking on a public political stance. Just in from Pint:

"Dear Pint Fans:

We love our diverse clientele. That diversity is what makes our city such a great place. We also love Yuengling - in fact we sell 230 barrels of Yuengling a year. But, Yuengling does not love us. The owners of Yuengling supporteded the racist, anti-gay, anti-women candidacy of Donald Trump. And we can't support that.

Beginning next week, Pint will no longer sell Yuengling or products from D.G. Yuengling & Son, Inc. The $15,000 a year we paid for their products will go to companies that do support diversity. We are also closing our account with Peerless Beverage Company, the distributor of Yuengling, until they drop Yuengling products from their lineup.

While we have a few kegs of Yuengling we already paid for and we'll pour those til they're gone, we're not worried about letting them go. We have lots of amazing craft brewers who will fill the Yuengling taps with delicious beer.

We don't expect that dropping Yuengling will change the world. But it will tell our neighbors, our friends, and you, that when you come to Pint you're welcome here - regardless of who you love, what you look like, or whether you sit or stand to pee.

Thanks for being our customers -

Wolf Sterling, Owner
Tommy DeMaio, General Manager"

hero69 wrote:
smart business move. would you want your business to be associated in any way with hate? even if it was kkk-lite?

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VoiceOfReason wrote:
I think what's starting to become very interesting is how some JC businesses are responding to the election. I'm not sure how I feel about businesses taking on a public political stance. Just in from Pint:

"Dear Pint Fans:

We love our diverse clientele. That diversity is what makes our city such a great place. We also love Yuengling - in fact we sell 230 barrels of Yuengling a year. But, Yuengling does not love us. The owners of Yuengling supporteded the racist, anti-gay, anti-women candidacy of Donald Trump. And we can't support that.

Beginning next week, Pint will no longer sell Yuengling or products from D.G. Yuengling & Son, Inc. The $15,000 a year we paid for their products will go to companies that do support diversity. We are also closing our account with Peerless Beverage Company, the distributor of Yuengling, until they drop Yuengling products from their lineup.

While we have a few kegs of Yuengling we already paid for and we'll pour those til they're gone, we're not worried about letting them go. We have lots of amazing craft brewers who will fill the Yuengling taps with delicious beer.

We don't expect that dropping Yuengling will change the world. But it will tell our neighbors, our friends, and you, that when you come to Pint you're welcome here - regardless of who you love, what you look like, or whether you sit or stand to pee.

Thanks for being our customers -

Wolf Sterling, Owner
Tommy DeMaio, General Manager"

smart business move. would you want your business to be associated in any way with hate? even if it was kkk-lite?

VoiceOfReason wrote:
I think what's starting to become very interesting is how some JC businesses are responding to the election. I'm not sure how I feel about businesses taking on a public political stance. Just in from Pint:

"Dear Pint Fans:

We love our diverse clientele. That diversity is what makes our city such a great place. We also love Yuengling - in fact we sell 230 barrels of Yuengling a year. But, Yuengling does not love us. The owners of Yuengling supporteded the racist, anti-gay, anti-women candidacy of Donald Trump. And we can't support that.

Beginning next week, Pint will no longer sell Yuengling or products from D.G. Yuengling & Son, Inc. The $15,000 a year we paid for their products will go to companies that do support diversity. We are also closing our account with Peerless Beverage Company, the distributor of Yuengling, until they drop Yuengling products from their lineup.

While we have a few kegs of Yuengling we already paid for and we'll pour those til they're gone, we're not worried about letting them go. We have lots of amazing craft brewers who will fill the Yuengling taps with delicious beer.

We don't expect that dropping Yuengling will change the world. But it will tell our neighbors, our friends, and you, that when you come to Pint you're welcome here - regardless of who you love, what you look like, or whether you sit or stand to pee.

Thanks for being our customers -

Wolf Sterling, Owner
Tommy DeMaio, General Manager"

neverleft wrote:

...Here this might just blow the left?s ?only stupid rural bigots? voted for Trump theory..

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hero69 wrote:
i hear scumbag is looking at tweaking obama care and dodd-frank....not repealing it.

ACA can't be 'tweaked'. It's too far along in crashing, which was its goal by design: make single-payer the "only option".

I expect by 2017, record numbers of healthy people will just pay the fine.. or be smart, reduce their withholding enough that the IRS cannot collect the fine.

Insurance companies will be left with nothing but the sick. This btw is exactly what happened in NY, NJ, and VT when they did their own versions of Obamacare (minus the mandatory purchases of insurance).

Trump will have three choices:

1. Single-payer (IMO.. won't happen since Medicare is already cash flow negative).
2. Deregulate (repeal ACA and allow insurance to be purchased across state lines).
2. Move to something like a Singapore system (mandatory HSAs), but with a more open insurance market in option #2.

hero69 wrote:
i hear scumbag is looking at tweaking obama care and dodd-frank....not repealing it.

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hero69 wrote:
i hear scumbag is looking at tweaking obama care and dodd-frank....not repealing it.

Obamacare will be referred to as "Trumpcare" with certain unnecessary provisions gotten rid of like same rates for pre-exisiting conditions. It's gonna be GREAT!

hero69 wrote:
i hear scumbag is looking at tweaking obama care and dodd-frank....not repealing it.

T-Bird wrote:
Way to crack the case, Neverleft. You and The Big "Guy" are a regular Cagney and Lacey. But wait - also from the article you posted:

The attack was one of several reported in the wake of Donald Trump?s election victory.

I got an email today from St. Peter's Prep, where my son attends, telling me what measures they are taking to prevent further incidents of intimidation from occurring - incidents they have been experiencing following the election.

I'm sure keeping your head up your ass is good for warmth and allows you to better see the world you want, but it probably blinds you from what really is going on. Just a hunch.

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fraulein wrote:
All of these crimes, including the people who lied, regardless of side, are wrong.

But even many staunch supporters of Trump said that they didn't always like what he said, but they liked that he was an outsider and not a politician. I can respect that. It's the subset of supporters, who I like to believe don't represent the majority of his followers, that now are latching onto the hateful aspects of his platform and taking it as carte blanche to do these awful things against others.

All I'm saying is that he needs to come out against this if he meant what he said about unifying the country.

Please provide proof of one act of physical harm that a Trump supporter inflicted on an innocent person.

Not social media accounts where there is no evidence apart from a self-serving post (and usually the "victim" didn't even go to the police). And not hateful words, because as bad as those are, they don't compare to beatings, two examples of which I posted.

In the absence of actual proof, there is nothing to denounce, apart from general statements that we must all come together.

Alternatively, I'd be fine if he denounced the wrongdoers on both sides (because there probably are some Trump supporters that did say hateful words to people). But I resent the implication posted here that minorities are being victimized by Trump supporters when there isn't actual evidence of that, and when we do have proof and video, the evidence tends to show the reverse.

Doesn't it seem odd to you that most Trump supporters live in rural areas yet these "hate crimes" allegedly are occurring in very liberal urban cities?

JCMan8 wrote:
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fraulein wrote:
All of these crimes, including the people who lied, regardless of side, are wrong.

But even many staunch supporters of Trump said that they didn't always like what he said, but they liked that he was an outsider and not a politician. I can respect that. It's the subset of supporters, who I like to believe don't represent the majority of his followers, that now are latching onto the hateful aspects of his platform and taking it as carte blanche to do these awful things against others.

All I'm saying is that he needs to come out against this if he meant what he said about unifying the country.

Please provide proof of one act of physical harm that a Trump supporter inflicted on an innocent person.

Not social media accounts where there is no evidence apart from a self-serving post (and usually the "victim" didn't even go to the police). And not hateful words, because as bad as those are, they don't compare to beatings, two examples of which I posted.

In the absence of actual proof, there is nothing to denounce, apart from general statements that we must all come together.

Alternatively, I'd be fine if he denounced the wrongdoers on both sides (because there probably are some Trump supporters that did say hateful words to people). But I resent the implication posted here that minorities are being victimized by Trump supporters when there isn't actual evidence of that, and when we do have proof and video, the evidence tends to show the reverse.

Doesn't it seem odd to you that most Trump supporters live in rural areas yet these "hate crimes" allegedly are occurring in very liberal urban cities?

fraulein wrote:
All of these crimes, including the people who lied, regardless of side, are wrong.

But even many staunch supporters of Trump said that they didn't always like what he said, but they liked that he was an outsider and not a politician. I can respect that. It's the subset of supporters, who I like to believe don't represent the majority of his followers, that now are latching onto the hateful aspects of his platform and taking it as carte blanche to do these awful things against others.

All I'm saying is that he needs to come out against this if he meant what he said about unifying the country.

T-Bird wrote:
Way to crack the case, Neverleft. You and The Big "Guy" are a regular Cagney and Lacey. But wait - also from the article you posted:

The attack was one of several reported in the wake of Donald Trump?s election victory.

I got an email today from St. Peter's Prep, where my son attends, telling me what measures they are taking to prevent further incidents of intimidation from occurring - incidents they have been experiencing following the election.

I'm sure keeping your head up your ass is good for warmth and allows you to better see the world you want, but it probably blinds you from what really is going on. Just a hunch.

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fraulein wrote:
Apparently Trump asked Obama and Clinton to speak out against the protests. I want to see Trump speak out against these terrible hate crimes happening, especially in schools/colleges. He said he would try to unify. He should use that power now.

(which hate crime? )

WaPo: Louisiana student ?fabricated? story of hijab attack, police say

By Derek Hawkins and Fred Barbash November 10 at 7:34 PM

Updated
A student at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette fabricated a story that she was attacked and had her hijab rippped off, police said Thursday.

The attack was one of several reported in the wake of Donald Trump?s election victory.

In a press release Thursday afternoon, the Lafayette Police Department said that during the course of their investigation into the woman?s complaint, she ?admitted that she fabricated the story about her physical attack as well as the removal of her hijab and wallet by two white males.

?This incident is no longer under investigation? by the department, the statement said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mo ... en-invoking-donald-trump/

bill wrote:
You guys see this fine man?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/795396842833985541

TheBigGuy wrote:
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fraulein wrote:
"Which" one indeed:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/post ... te-crimes-and-fears-trnd/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/11/ ... ed-by-trump-election.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/c ... _5825ee38e4b02d21bbc86211

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/20 ... us-donald-trump-president

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/d ... _582497afe4b0cdd5e7e99e86

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la ... geted-20161110-story.html

These are fake hate crimes. There is no evidence that they occurred beyond self-serving accounts from people desperate to pretend they are a victim. But those who want to believe they are true are happy to believe without a shred of real evidence.

For example, see this woman who already admitted she lied about a hate crime one day later.

http://www.katc.com/story/33679687/ul ... ulted-her-and-stole-hijab

Want to see some actual hate crimes?

Here, a group of blacks pulled a white man out of his car, beat the shit out of him, and robbed him, all because they thought he voted for Trump. There's a video and everything. You know, real evidence.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/natio ... d-trump-article-1.2867997

And today, a group of blacks beat up a gay white male Hillary supporter because they thought he voted for Trump. Of course, it's buried, but here it is.

http://m.startribune.com/500-gather-n ... ion-statements/400770921/

He started walking home when three men and a woman confronted him near the corner of Marion Street, he said.

?They accused him of voting for Trump,? Linders said. ?He told the group he didn?t vote for Trump.?

The group told the man that white voters elected Trump. He told the group he was gay and would not judge others.

Two of the men punched the victim in the face multiple times and called him a homophobic slur while their two companions laughed, Linders said.

So yes, what these "protesters" are doing is truly horrible. I hope Trump locks these people up. Additionally, reporting fake hate crimes should be made a serious felony.

I Like the NYC incident wear the Muslim High School Student claims her face was sliced by a white guy at the intersection of Wall Street and Broadway at 2:00 on a weekday afternoon. Very stupid kid sliced her own face and finally confessed after police reviewed film from all the area security cameras and could not find the guy she described.

JSleeze wrote:
Right. Because of your three things, her six unrelated things didn't happen. Because you said so.

So. Fucking. Stupid.

JCMan8 wrote:
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fraulein wrote:
"Which" one indeed:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/post ... te-crimes-and-fears-trnd/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/11/ ... ed-by-trump-election.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/c ... _5825ee38e4b02d21bbc86211

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/20 ... us-donald-trump-president

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/d ... _582497afe4b0cdd5e7e99e86

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la ... geted-20161110-story.html

These are fake hate crimes. There is no evidence that they occurred beyond self-serving accounts from people desperate to pretend they are a victim. But those who want to believe they are true are happy to believe without a shred of real evidence.

For example, see this woman who already admitted she lied about a hate crime one day later.

http://www.katc.com/story/33679687/ul ... ulted-her-and-stole-hijab

Want to see some actual hate crimes?

Here, a group of blacks pulled a white man out of his car, beat the shit out of him, and robbed him, all because they thought he voted for Trump. There's a video and everything. You know, real evidence.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/natio ... d-trump-article-1.2867997

And today, a group of blacks beat up a gay white male Hillary supporter because they thought he voted for Trump. Of course, it's buried, but here it is.

http://m.startribune.com/500-gather-n ... ion-statements/400770921/

He started walking home when three men and a woman confronted him near the corner of Marion Street, he said.

?They accused him of voting for Trump,? Linders said. ?He told the group he didn?t vote for Trump.?

The group told the man that white voters elected Trump. He told the group he was gay and would not judge others.

Two of the men punched the victim in the face multiple times and called him a homophobic slur while their two companions laughed, Linders said.

So yes, what these "protesters" are doing is truly horrible. I hope Trump locks these people up. Additionally, reporting fake hate crimes should be made a serious felony.

fraulein wrote:
"Which" one indeed:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/post ... te-crimes-and-fears-trnd/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/11/ ... ed-by-trump-election.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/c ... _5825ee38e4b02d21bbc86211

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/20 ... us-donald-trump-president

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/d ... _582497afe4b0cdd5e7e99e86

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la ... geted-20161110-story.html